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It's finally time to start a thread here in B&C too, brethren. My loyalist splinter of XIV Legio Astartes, known as the Echoes of Eisenstein, is a labour of love that has now taken three years and lost all brakes a while back. When I got hold of my first Betrayal at Calth set, the path to damnation was set and I knew I had to go and start a whole army of truescaled marines. There would be no respite. There would be no models left unconverted. There would be only chopping and the laughter of ever growing mountains of grey soldiers waiting for their day. Inspired by Veteran Sergeant on DakkaDakka, the spiral into endless cuts and lenghtenings had begun. From so humble a beginning... https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cxICLMQF8jr-Chm6sB_J4aXblfYqaEzYBsJ2k9Gc1NWiLbuoKvXLQvFOkMQ-hvNDA4yIzd1GABb6mrHXpiSKKQgQ7pL416dN2O5evQCZUuH7ni4O2l2z1fuSjmetKXD8_gaqeBPmCQlrzUlZKVghYNf7ILpwJyPR5YgS09srBpq30io8he9pjrklTKPBGsY8vqPltPUJn1h5ylmGu6PfztbuC3gwSRbcbvdd8q4EVA7dAaXavFEiM1Gx33J9n6yhYIX8rvIhsjtt83GovbT0XyRY1kBRwOb20kNbU2IxGmyQhb7BYfQSVaxeDfodfysz-kTpSKreino_UsLkzBIwZPkWbZNqN6Jb9fZ0mSfxyMYApIYH88HZrVC5zkQncqVsOZJypjt9eoP8f5WaZnaSSwYurw4Bhzc9xVu5_vXf1YOQPc5GD498D3sEUkgFjQpPLgKjO5c8EceDm8JW5vplLaZaK_diDdthqNd_jh732HkNSs1QT5Q6F-0wdu3TAN2fmHXPDD_WYb9fnBxTaAD0nI6bqv6C64z9Ht1hWvXHCTCnIBpwjoUXUM4VxkktYDTyuNAQnSbQEdt95HV2Qd4kO6syiYOFRBYYwxK7lJQC9i3W7cRgvTrU=w1625-h914-no 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So, welcome to gawk at my insanity where I'll ever so slowly go through the same process with the rest of the 150+ guys I have either unbuilt or unstripped from previous owners of 5 boxes of Calth and Prospero, scratch tanks from busted Rhino carcasses, learn how to paint through my irrational biases ("dang my steel just looks bad in true metal but brass and copper, yaaaas queen!") and occasionally create piles of terrain out of ice cream boxes and my significant other's diabetes waste. 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EDIT: oh blimey, is there a limit how much pictures one post can handle or why did half of them turn to links? Hope those work, at least?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/194cfjt/my_death_guard_tutorial/ I found this tutorial and is quite interesting. And I really like the conversion, simple but effective.

I thought I'd share my Chaos army and various WIP things, hopefully to motivate myself to get some more painting done! I have a decent sized Iron Warriors army, as well as a goodly number of Thousand Sons, which I'll get pictures of later. My current projects are a start up Emperor's Children Warband, and a force of The Cleaved. The Cleaved: I made this Plague Marine years and years ago when I had a spare blob of Green Stuff. The armour was a test piece for the new foundations, its straight Dheneb with a heavy devlan wash. He got some nice armour scores, and some weeping joints I abandoned them for a very long time, until the release of the new codex, whereupon I made a couple of plasma gunners to come later. I also have 5 of these guys that will be geting the cleaved treatment. My very first tank, well over 10 years old with an awful splotchy (but thin) nurgle paint job, back when the mark of Nurgle gave your vehicle +1AV all round. Rather than give it to the Iron Warriors, I've honoured it's heritage and dedicated it to the cleaved. The marine on the back was originally an ultramarine, but the blue wouldnt look good with the colour scheme. Green, however would, and seeing as there will probably be a few new DA players soon...and also to annoy Skink a little. The Nurglings on top need some detailing, as well as a few other bits and bobs, but I consider it table worthy after a weekend's work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With the new codex, I jumped at the chance to finally get some Slaaneshi marines under my belt. Noise marines with an 80's hair metal vibe. I wanted a full Sonic blaster squad, buy only had one and the blastmaster, so time to make up some stuff: Dude doing a squealy blaster solo, and regular blaster dude. You cant quite see the detail, ut they have hides/skin GS'd onto their leg armour, and regular dude has GW barbed wire wrapped around his thigh. Blastmaster and DeathKorg. You cannot have a band without a synth, so this guy got made up. The idea is that the bolter fires, gets some funky rhythm attached to it as it goes along the barrel, then hits the opponent with some music that they've probably never heard of. Noise Champion: Since squad leaders cannot currently have blasters, and in the hope that they can someday, I made something in between a combi bolter and blaster, the backpack (from the classic NM) and belt amp can also double as a Doom Siren. Smile:

Figured I might as well start a thread to sporadically document my sporadic progress on this project. I've always had a bit of a soft spot for the Death Guard. In particular, their stubborn loyalists. A lot of my 30k projects have centred around exploring how the original Terran Veterans of the legions interacted with the directions their legions took after being united with their primarchs. This army is based around a cadre of terran veterans from Albia, now old, bitter and neglected. They served the emperor with honour and distinction before the reunification with Mortarion, after which they found themselves increasingly sidelined and overlooked, abandoned to forgotten war zones and isolated frontiers. This army is intended to reflect a barebones, 'old school' crusade era force. Lots of veteran squads and heavy weapon squads all in land raiders, with none of the Death Guard specific weaponry bar some alchem flamers. No scythes or toxin bombs, these guys wield the weapons of their Albian forefathers, and cling to the notions of chivalry and honour the early Dusk Raiders possessed. I painted a test model for the scheme I had in mind last year, and was fairly happy with it. With the gorgeous new Mk3 marines I've started to actually build the force in earnest, starting with some multi-melta heavy support marines and a few Veterans. I'm pretty happy with how they are coming out, but always happy for feedback. The first image should be the test model, still glossy from oils. Then the current batch after basecoating, followed by oils, and finally a basically finished marine with metallics done.

Loyalist wearing clean Mark VI armor. I’ve been lurking a long time and figured I would finally post something. In Betrayal, the Death Guard armor is described as an ivory grey. So that’s what I went for.

There hasn't been alot of chatter in the Death Guard forum in a while so I felt like making a thread about 10th since not much will change for us before then. Essentially I just want to banter about what we want to see for our Death Guard in 10th edition. Wishlisting as some people call it. First and foremost I would like disgustingly resilient to go back to the better 5+++. I'm not going to math hammer it all out on here but 5+++ is better than -1D overall. -1D does nothing against spammed 1D weapons and mortal wounds, about the same for 3D, and much worse for 4D+. It only shines at 2D and is more consistent at 3D. We would get our small arms and mortal wound shrug off back. I don't see this happening unfortunately. I want free wargear to end as that is just stupid. A blight launcher is better than a bolter in every aspect and should cost different. For some reason this edition wargear costs were multiples of 5 and everything ended up over costed. They can be + 1/2/3/4/5 points for balances sake. Blight launchers and flails at the higher end and plague belchers and bubonic axe at the lower end. This might happen, but it is not an issue unique to DG and DG will get a similar treatment to whatever the other factions get in 10th regarding wargear costs. Wouldn't mind small wargear changes. Adding the plague weapon to the champions powerfist would be nice. The Lord of Virulence has a plague power fist and it's cool. And if wargear is staying free, they need to give our bolters plague weapon to balance them out, otherwise there is no reason to use them. They gave us the daemonic sword on the champions this edition, I could definately see the small flavor change in 10th like plague weapon on the fists. Our legion trait not applying to our Daemon engines is so stupid. Space marines get their chapter traits to apply to their whole codex (minus servitor like units), we should get ours to apply to everything as well. I'm hoping this is corrected. Regardless if DR changes or not, it should be applied to everything in the codex. I will never use Rhino's until they get it. If you have one or two units in the codex without it they just scream "shoot me with all your 2D weapons on turn 1". They could just call it a Death Guard Rhino to have the changed rule and charge whatever few more points they want for it for balance. The helbrute already has -1D and -2D might be silly, they could get 6+++ or 5+++. Helbrutes need love in general. I would never take a shooty helbrute over a blight hauler and I would never take a melee one over the flying bloat Drone with the 12A mower. I think there is a decent chance for them to correct the copy and paste units and give them DR in 10th. 9th gave our copy and paste HQ's extra toughness and DR, so why not? I would like to see the Lord of Virulence change in 10th. He was advertised on the community page as interacting with Daemon engines and does no such thing. They should get rid of his master of destruction aura and either heal vehicles, give one vehicle +1 to hit, or maybe give him that relic rule to give Daemon engines 4++ (I love doing that with 3 haulers and giving them -1 to be hit, so hard to shift them). They probably won't do this either. Our least used elite character is the Noxious Blightbringer. He needs to give 2" movement instead of 1" to be worthwhile. Also leadership shenanigans tend to never work unless you put all your eggs in that basket. They should remove that and the -1 to psychic test and just give him a deny. Or turn him into our Chaplin and give chants (which would turn him into a HQ most likely). They will have to do something with him in 10th, I have never seen him in a list in 9th, not even hypothetical online lists. And lastly, people's favorite part of wish listing, new units. To be honest, I think we are doing pretty good. Compare us to TS or WE we are doing very good (talking about DG specific models). We have solid troops. Plague Marines are a little more elite than a normal marine (as they should be), and poxwalkers are great cheap fluffy units. Our elites are good. We have TWO different styles of terminators and both look amazing. 5 different elite characters, some who are very good. Fast Attack we are spoiled for the slowest army in the game. Haulers and drones are awesome. GW setting them to 9W to not bracket them was badass. For some reason spawns are the only non DR unit we can give DR to. I bought the gellarpox infected just for the boss and 3 big guys, perfect for 4 nurgle spawns to eventually play around with. Heavy Support we have the PBC and the copy and pastes. The PBC is probably my favorite unit. Looks amazing, had some good point drops, non line of site mortar. They even gave the entropy cannons plague weapon and changed them to 3+d3. No complaints from me about heavy supports, I usually take 2-3 PBC in every list. HQ's we have the Daemon Prince, various lords, our own sorcerer and Typhus. Not bad but could be better. So what do we need? I'm not sure. I rather see existing kits get new rules and models. I would love a new CHAOS ONLY Rhino kit (not just a loyalist one with spikes and trim). Add a couple detail pieces for the different gods. And when taken with DG it gets DR for extra points. Same thing with the helbrute. I love dreadnaughts but the helbrute model is small and rules wise could use some love. But a new rhino and helbrute model with God specific details would help out TS, WE and vanilla chaos marines. Give the TS version a spell cast or something for extra points. Seems like low hanging fruit if you ask me. Other than that I would love a reworked Lord of Virulence with Daemon Engine interacting rules, will feel like a new unit. Same with updating the Noxious Blightbringer, we could use better movement or the whole Chaplin idea (or combine the two, give the movement as a chant). But if I had to think of a brand new unit, I would say HQ. If I recall there was three different mantles lords take up. Contagion, Virulence and some third one (I thought I read this on the lexicanum or maybe it was the 8th Ed codex). I thought it was about poxes or something. If they made the Lord of Virulence more about vehicles, the 3rd Lord could be more of a psyker. Kind of like a unique sorc in terminator armor for DG. A cheaper Typhus without the poxwalker buff, destroyer hive and contagion aura, but with its own unique rule. I would still rather see a new rhino and helbrute with DR and reworked Lord of Virulence and Noxious Blightbringer rather than a new unit though. So fellow Death Guard (or maybe curious chaos) fans, what are your thoughts? What would you like to see changed or added? I know it's a long post, my cat woke me up at 3am knocking off my keys, wallet, wedding ring, medication and pocket change off my night stand and then ran off into the dark. He's definately a Night Lords player if I ever saw one.

The last of the individual characters that make up the Foetid Virons What do with think of the Surgeon? Of all the elite level characters he is the only one with a decent close combat weapon, suggesting that his place is in the thick of things However no invulnerable saves or major auras. What use is he to people?

So what to we think of the Tallyman? This popped up on on YouTube and I thought what's your views plague brethren? https://youtu.be/AabFExcZe7A

Edit. Officially restarting this thread. Jump right into the relaunch here. Hello! Due to some unfortunate circumstances I find myself soon to be in possession of a very old Death Guard army that I build way back when from the old 3.5 Chaos Codex. So I am wondering just how well what I had, will have again, will fit in with the new Codex and models. from memory I had several Terminators, several squads of Plague Marines, a Land-raider and maybe a Predator, A Dreadnaught maybe two, A squad or two of Plague bearers, a Grater Daemon of Nurgle, the old metal one, some Chaos spawn, a defiler and a few Characters. One of them was a Daemon Prince made from the body of an Obliterator. The other maybe a sorcerer. I'm finding I am a little excited to see this army again. I have no pictures any more they were on a photobucket account back in 04' or 05' and have been lots to time. I'm thinking I may repaint this army this year and add to it as well. So then, just how much has Death Guard changed? What should I add? Can I still play all of this from the same codex? What should I add to get this back into fighting condition? Thank you. And as a side note I am likely to launch this into a project thread when I get this army back, pictures wip and battle reports on occasion.

While taking about Daemon engines what about the Bloat Drone? Many of us will have the plague spewer versions as they came with the original box set as well as the other weapon options Fast. Tough. What are people's views? There are some strategies specific to the bloat Drone, I believe -ive not actually used the strat yet. What are people thoughts on them?

What is there to love about the first of the daemon engines? I've never quite used its massive claws but I do like the intimidation factor it brings. I like it can wander off by itself and I don't have to worry too much about it

The unsung heroes, the ragged multitude. The ones dun wrong by this edition. I want to make more use of these chaps -they have guns they have 'brutal' close combat weapons they have toilet tissue for armour!! I've been playing a lot of kill team sized games lately and the Cultists have held their own against Guardsmen and Tempest Scions, but last 40k game they came face to face with the business end of the flamer on that new scout walker marines have. Suffice to say that ended badly for them.... I feel they would have been given a bit more utility if they had been given objective secured/ ability to perform Actions and the poxwalkers hadn't (I mean come on - zombies Investigating or Siphoning Power???) How can we use these regular mortals to spread the grandfather's love?

So a long time ago I had a Work In Progress thread about my Heresy Death Guard; http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316199-ganders-pre-heresy-death-guard/ That topic was nuked due to the whole photobucket fiasco, but I thought I'd like some record on here of my work, and as the army is pretty much done for the foreseeable, I thought I should post in here with better pics. First of all just a small sample of the many many WiP pictures I posted; I'll start posting the finished army soon...

Random games pics from my game on Sunday, May 21. Played against The Plague Brothers and got tabled. Three objectives to seize in no-man's land. I'll spare a full battle report and let you just look at the pics.

Let's see how the whole blog thing goes. In my last WIP update, I had done some GS work. I've done more. I used a template for chainmail to get the pattern and placed it over the stripped down leather strips. Once dry, any excess was removed. The inner shoulder pads were dry-fitted and glued into place. This gave me all I needed to assemble the bodies (Mk6 included for scale). I'm a bit annoyed at myself for the one on the far left. I didn't realize that one arm went straight out like that or I would have positioned the head differently. Here are two close ups: The angle of viewing means one can't see a bit of an overhang where the torso rests on the GS ball. It is noticeable on the back, but I'm going to cover that with a tank for the flamers.