Psychic Awakening: What do you want to see?

[The Neverborn]

I'm profoundly skeptical. I'm about 75% sure we'll be waiting to 9th to move from where we are now.

 

My suspicion is that most if not all of the data sheets will be re-prints to what we already have with nothing or almost nothing changed.

[DeStinyFiSh]

Yeah, but there will still be relics, strats and WLTs that might do the trick for now... As far as I know Grey Knights had just a few pages with rules in PA and it helped them a lot.

[Cheex]

Wild speculation time! I'm basing this off the only Psychic Awakening book I have, Faith & Fury.

 

P76 "Lords of the Warp" - likely to be a page listing all the stuff that will be contained within the Chaos Daemons section.

 

P78-79 "Legiones Daemonica" - likely a reprint of common Daemon rules used in the datasheets later. Fingers crossed for an update to Daemonic Ritual, but not holding my breath.

 

Updated datasheets will just be reprints of what is found elsewhere. Unlikely to be any changes, but you never know.

 

P90-91 "Infinite Forms of Corruption" - this has me intrigued. Two pages of rules at roughly the same place you'd expect to see subfaction rules? Definitely intrigued.

 

Two pages of stratagems seems about as expected. My guess is one page of generic strats usable by all Daemons and one page of strats for specific allegiances.

 

Exalted Greater Daemons... They aren't datasheets otherwise they'd be listed in the Datasheets section. Two pages per GD - probably one page with model photos and one page of actual rules. Will these be upgrades for GDs to give them better stats or abilities? Even just new warlord traits and artifacts that are specific to GDs would be nice.

 

Edit: actually, since Chaos Daemons don't have a specific Warlord Trait section where other factions do, I'd put money that the Exalted GDs will just be rules for better warlord traits available only to GDs.

 

And, of course, the main star of the show: the name generator. I wonder if they'll be True Names or Use Names?

Edited May 24, 2020 by Cheex

[Marshal Valkenhayn]

With how awful Skarbrand's showing was in the recent hack tournament GW held, I'm really hoping that these rules see him seriously turbo charged. Skarbrand is a huge deal in Sigmar, where by himself he can go toe to toe with the big boys, and with a little buff support he can blow through half an army in one round of combat. I want the angriest of boys to hit the table like a nuke and at least force my apponent to divert all fire to him.

[Panzer]

2 pages of Stratagems probably means 2 for each god and 4 generic ones which will also include ones that only buff Furies or Soulgrinders and are generally underwhelming.

 

All the Datasheets were expected since we didn't get a new Codex since their release yet. Those will be reprints like in the last Chapter Approved. Nothing to see there.

 

"The Infinite Forms of Corruption" is probably our fancy new list building mechanic equivalent.

 

2 pages for each Exalted Greater Daemon is interesting. If it's just an updated Datasheet it could easily fit on one page. Perhaps they'll get their own selection of relics and Stratagems? Two each? If they still die as easily it probably won't be worth upgrading them anyway unfortunately.

 

Why is there a 2 pages section "Keepers of Secrets" on page 77, before the Datasheet section begins? Suspicious. Perhaps just a badly titled fluff section?

 

I don't see any section for relics or warlord traits which unfortunately was already expected.

 

 

 

I'm looking forward to it. I knew it won't be much in a book with AdMech and all their new toys and both Knight factions, however the details will still be interesting.

[WarriorFish]

I'm presuming that the Exalted is a better version of the Greater Daemons, but as it's not the unit itself I'm not sure if we can expect much resolution to their current problems. We'll find out soon enough - expect the worse, hope for the best

[Marshal Valkenhayn]

Unless I'm missing something, that is 18 pages of updated datasheets (80-98). How many pages of daemon data sheets were in the latest chapter approved? Was that also 18?

 

Agreed that there really isn't any room for more relics, though, and that is a bummer. Relics have so much potential to spice up our lackluster generic characters, and it isn't like we're spoiled for choices.

 

EDIT: (for some reason I read 90-91 as 99-100. Weird mental skip. So only 10 pages of data sheets then.)

Edited May 25, 2020 by Marshal Valkenhayn

[Panzer]

Unless I'm missing something, that is 18 pages of updated datasheets (80-98). How many pages of daemon data sheets were in the latest chapter approved? Was that also 18?

 

Agreed that there really isn't any room for more relics, though, and that is a bummer. Relics have so much potential to spice up our lackluster generic characters, and it isn't like we're spoiled for choices.

 

EDIT: (for some reason I read 90-91 as 99-100. Weird mental skip. So only 10 pages of data sheets then.)

 

Pretty much exactly 10 pages as well.

[Cheex]

2 pages for each Exalted Greater Daemon is interesting. If it's just an updated Datasheet it could easily fit on one page. Perhaps they'll get their own selection of relics and Stratagems? Two each? If they still die as easily it probably won't be worth upgrading them anyway unfortunately.

 

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I don't see any section for relics or warlord traits which unfortunately was already expected.

 

I found it a bit odd that there was no page for warlord traits or relics, but the EGD pages are in about the same spot you'd expect to see those. My guess/hope is that it'll be a Stratagem to upgrade a GD to an EGD (like the Specialist Detachments in Vigilus), and they'll have access to their own special warlord traits and relics.

 

Here's hoping for something to improve their survivability.

[MillionsSons]

Playing Tzeentch, I’m secretly hopeful that horrors datasheet include 1 change:

Align the invul save with other Tzeentch daemons (i.e 5++ base and +1 to the roll from Tzeentch mark). Thatvwould allow us again to use the +1 invul stratagem on pinks to reach a 3++...

[Marshal Valkenhayn]

I really want to see some rules previews. The complete silence about anything Daemon has been pretty frustrating, if not surprising.

[The Neverborn]

Playing Tzeentch, I’m secretly hopeful that horrors datasheet include 1 change:

Align the invul save with other Tzeentch daemons (i.e 5++ base and +1 to the roll from Tzeentch mark). Thatvwould allow us again to use the +1 invul stratagem on pinks to reach a 3++...

 

For Tzeentch i'd like to see a reason to take blue horrors in non-narrative play. - There are only very very niche uses to take them and not in full squads. 

 

Right now they probably hold the title of "Most usless modles in the game" 

[DeStinyFiSh]

 

Playing Tzeentch, I’m secretly hopeful that horrors datasheet include 1 change:

Align the invul save with other Tzeentch daemons (i.e 5++ base and +1 to the roll from Tzeentch mark). Thatvwould allow us again to use the +1 invul stratagem on pinks to reach a 3++...

 

For Tzeentch i'd like to see a reason to take blue horrors in non-narrative play. - There are only very very niche uses to take them and not in full squads. 

 

Right now they probably hold the title of "Most usless modles in the game" 

 

I have just one to split a Pink in overwatch to decrease charge distance

[MillionsSons]

 

 

Playing Tzeentch, I’m secretly hopeful that horrors datasheet include 1 change:

Align the invul save with other Tzeentch daemons (i.e 5++ base and +1 to the roll from Tzeentch mark). Thatvwould allow us again to use the +1 invul stratagem on pinks to reach a 3++...

For Tzeentch i'd like to see a reason to take blue horrors in non-narrative play. - There are only very very niche uses to take them and not in full squads.

 

Right now they probably hold the title of "Most usless modles in the game"

Thats true! I only use them for splittings if I want to use a survivable blob of 30 pinks

[Wolf Lord Loki]

Some advanced news

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/05/29/new-rules-for-chaos-daemons/

[MasterDeath]

Only looking at the Nurgle section this looks kinda interesting. It seems GW noticed that nobody uses 4+ MW abilities, so they are 2+ now. That could be what this stuff needs. And the tome is awesome.

[WarriorFish]

Not seeing much of interest for Slaanesh :confused: I suppose it rests on how 9th improves upon the morale system of 8th? Hopefully we can find out more soon in particular what you get for upgrading to an Exalted Greater Daemon.

[TheNewman]

SilverStrike might see use, Fear Seeker is pretty meh.

[DeStinyFiSh]

The Bloodhound strat is solid, but the rest... all these additions to greater Daemons dont do much if they do not get more durable.

[The Neverborn]

While no additional relics or stratergems are unhelpful the issues Deamons have remains the same

 

We have an extremely poor delivery method and Greater Deamons can be targeted easily and we can "saturate" high toughness units.

 

I'm afraid that without these addressed a strats and relics won't be that helpful as you'll still have all the same issues actually getting into close combat. 

 

It really is a wait for 9th and pray.

[Marshal Valkenhayn]

I find myself hoping that the Bloodthirster can kill hard and fast enough in melee to make a 5+ wound regaining mechanic worth taking.

[WarriorFish]

If I remember right the Hellforged Contemptor gets to regenerate a wound for each model slain in combat on a 5+ so I think the Bloodthirster will be fine there by comparison When in doubt, you can find some squishier models for a quick snack

[Marshal Valkenhayn]

If I remember right the Hellforged Contemptor gets to regenerate a wound for each model slain in combat on a 5+ so I think the Bloodthirster will be fine there by comparison When in doubt, you can find some squishier models for a quick snack

 

That is true. But this does eat a relic slot, and Hellforged machines can still be repaired. I dunno. Our two-hander BT can probably get some use out of it if he crashes into a hoard. I've had one of those kill around 70 models in 2 turns, that being my turn then my enemy's. But it was a perfect storm type situation. 

 

Very curious to see what the other traits and potential relics are. Strategems too. Any sort of regeneration strat for our hoards will be huge, if not super likely.

[WarriorFish]

Hellforged units can't be repaired, but yeah while it is a decent relic it only helps one Bloodthirster and costs your relic slot (or CPs to buy more). I'm hoping that this isn't the case across the board otherwise PA isn't looking good for Daemons

 

It is just around the corner we can expect to know more soon, maybe we can be pleasantly surprised! Given that this is built with 9th in mind the full story can only be gleaned then I expect, though that doesn't solve the specifics of course. Not that I need any more reasons to be keen to know more about 9th...

[Cheex]

Very curious to see what the rest of the book has for my Khorne Daemons. So far, the relic and Exalted ability both suit a Rage Thirster pretty well; I could see it being able to put out enough damage to jump up a bracket if needed.

 

All we need now is a stratagem to let GD use their top damage bracket regardless of actual wounds, and we might actually see them again.

 

I keep refreshing the usual sites hoping that more leaks come through...