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So there's a tournament that the local store/warhammer community is running, standard 2000 points and ITC missions with more focus on the fun aspect of the game rather than the competitive side. This will actually be the first 1v1 tournament that I'll be attending and I wanted to do well. (not like win the tournament, more just not be crushed in every game) And I have been play testing some lists and there are two distinct winners. List 1 contains a pure black legion army, and List 2 contains 80% black legion and 10% thousand sons. (I'll go into the actual components of the lists later.) I like both lists a lot and they play slightly different to each other and I just need help deciding which one is better. List 1: Total points: 1999 Cp: 16(-2 for council of traitors and extra relic) 2 battalion detachments 1 spearhead detachment. First Battalion: HQ :(w) Abaddon the Despoiler(First Among Traitors) 240, Dark Apostle(Trusted Warleader) 100, CS in terminator amour (Unholy Fortitude) 112 Troops: 20 cultists(100), 5 CSM X2 (130) Elites: Contemptor Dread w C-beam cannons X2 (148), Helbrute w twin las and missile launcher (120), Dark Disciples (5) Fast Attack: Chaos bikers sgt w combi-bolter (71) Second Battalion: HQ: MoP (98), EC w Murder sword (74), CL (74) Troops: 5 CSM (65), 5 CSM w autocannon, sgt w pp and chain axe (81), 5 CSM w plasma gun (76) Spearhead: HQ: Lord Discordntant w sightless helm (180) Heavy Support: Chaos Pred w twin las and lascannons (180), Venomcrawler (130), Obliterator (115) Pros: Good anti-tank, good ground coverage, decent mobility, okay physic presence Cons : Trouble dealing with screens and pesky characters List 2: Total points: 1998 CP: 16 (-3 for council of traitors, helm of the thrideye, murdersword) 2 battalion detachments, 1 Supreme command Detachment First Battalion: HQ :(w) Abaddon the Despoiler(First Among Traitors) 240, Dark Apostle(Trusted Warleader) 100, CS in terminator amour (Unholy Fortitude) 112 Troops: 20 cultists(100), 5 CSM X2 (130) Elites: Contemptor Dread w C-beam cannons X2 (148), Helbrute w twin las and missile launcher (120), Dark Disciples (5) Heavy Support: Venomcrawler (130) Second Battalion: HQ: MoP (98), EC w Murder sword (74), Lord Discordant w Sightless Helm (180) Troops: 5 CSM X3 Supreme Command Detachment: HQ: Ahriman on Disc (166), DP w Wings (180), Exalted Sorcerer w Helm of the Thirdeye (120) Pros: Smite Spam, Good mobility, very good command battery Cons: Not to good anti-tank (:cussing srewed against Imperial knights), few models There they are I know that neither of them is competitively viably in a HARDCORE ITC MAJOR COMPETITION TOURNAMENT, but again this a local game and I'm working with the best I got. Now I want to here you options on which list is better and be as harsh as you deem necessary. This is the Warmaster, leaving on a relaxing vacation aboard the Vengeful spirit I leave you to your biding EDIT: I have decide on a new list that combines the best of both list at the great cost of 5 CP New List: Total Points: 2000 Total CP: 12 (-2/-3 for Council of Traitors, Relics of the Thousand Sons/Artifacts of Chaos) Battalion HQ: Abaddon the Despoiler(First Among Traitors)240, Dark Apostle(Trusted Warleader) 100, Chaos Sorcerer(Warp Lord) 98, Lord Discordant(Sightless Helm), 180 Troops: 20 Cultists 100, *8 CSM X2 (208) Elites: Hellforge Contemptor Dread w C-Beam cannons X2 (148), Helbrute w twin las and 2 lascannons Heavy Support: VenomCrawler (130) Supreme Command Detachment: HQ: Ahriman on Disc (166), DP w Wings (180), Exalted Sorcerer on disc w Helm of the Thirdeye (120) Now right now I have exactly 1930 and I have 70 points to spend. My current options are a Greater Possessed, Exalted Champion, or Master of Executions. I can also get rid of 1 CSM and add a chaos lord. Once again I require some different opinions.