juckto Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Assault squad removes their jump packs, take either a drop pod or a Land Raider, and choose to arrive via deep strike. Can you then use the re-roll reserve roll, and/or scatter d6" less? The answer is, "No that's stupid" ... but can anyone prove it (either way) using RAW? I think you can re-roll the reserve roll (because you are rolling for the assault squad that has the special rule, and the dedicated transport is simply attached), but can't use the scatter d6" less (because the transport is the model deep striking). +Edit - and on the topic of transports, can the Blood Chalice be used when the priest is inside a transport? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211028-can-you-use-descent-of-angels-for-a-dedicated-transport/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 the transport does not have the decent of angles rule, and therfore cannot use it. Though yes any non-shooting ability that does not require line of sight may be used from within a transport, measure distances from the transport hull. Shooting abilities require firepoints and use those rules isntead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211028-can-you-use-descent-of-angels-for-a-dedicated-transport/#findComment-2510620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
juckto Posted September 13, 2010 Author Share Posted September 13, 2010 "A unit with this special rule can re-roll failed reserve rolls if arriving by deep strike." "Player must declare if units are in transport etc. ... If they do, then the unit and the transport will be rolled for together and arrive together" Is the unit arriving by deep strike? Yes. Am I making a reserve roll for the unit? Yes. I've met all the conditions stated in the special rule in order to use the special rule. (The fact I am making a reserve roll for the unit together with the transport doesn't change the fact that I am making a reserve roll for the unit.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211028-can-you-use-descent-of-angels-for-a-dedicated-transport/#findComment-2510636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 they unit may be put in a transport and they then roll a single dice for reserves roll, but the transport still doesnt have the descent special rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211028-can-you-use-descent-of-angels-for-a-dedicated-transport/#findComment-2510659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Now, normaly, the easy responce would be 'no. If you take away the jump packs, they're no longer jump infantry, and thusly nolonger have the DS ability.' But, for some odd reason, GW decided to list DS as a unit ability, not one of their wargar. xp Long answer: "no, that's stupid..." Because, well.. B, as already pointed out by greatcrusade, the transport does not have the DoA special rule,so it may not make use of it. Just like.. say, a unit of scouts hopping into a transport. They might have Stealth (depending on the codex), but they do not grant it to the vehicle as well. They are two seperate units. And more importantly: A. Those transports do not have the deepstrike option themselves, either! So they cannot DS. DS is not a rule they can confer onto their transpoort! In the current edition only Scout, and possibly Infiltrate, IIRC, are conferable to dedicated transports. Oh and.. Assault squads cannot pick a Land Raider as a dedicaed transport. (they may take a drop pod or a rhino, only) So *that* particular train of thought should just be stuck at the station. Or better yet, derailed and dismantled completely. Nevermind me. Wrong codex in mind. :lol: >_> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211028-can-you-use-descent-of-angels-for-a-dedicated-transport/#findComment-2510696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reglor Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Oh and.. Assault squads cannot pick a Land Raider as a dedicaed transport. (they may take a drop pod or a rhino, only) So *that* particular train of thought should just be stuck at the station. Or better yet, derailed and dismantled completely. You do realise that they are talking about Blood Angels, right. Any squad that can take a dedicated transport can take any of the three Land Raider varients. The only squads that have restrictions and the two termi squads that can't take rhinos or razorbacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211028-can-you-use-descent-of-angels-for-a-dedicated-transport/#findComment-2510758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro_Protagonist Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I think you can re-roll the reserve roll (because you are rolling for the assault squad that has the special rule, and the dedicated transport is simply attached), but can't use the scatter d6" less (because the transport is the model deep striking). I think you've got it right. As a unit the squad and the transport can use the re-roll as they are both arriving together via deepstrike. However, the transport is the one actually doing the deepstrike, and as it doesn't have the Descent of Angels special rule it cannot take advantage of the reduced scatter. It's kind of like how a squad arriving via drop pod can't assault the turn they arrive in Planetstrike. The drop pod has the deepstrike rule not the unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211028-can-you-use-descent-of-angels-for-a-dedicated-transport/#findComment-2510807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Official BA FAQ. Q: If a unit with Descent of Angels rule Deep Strikes viaa transport, teleport or means other than by jump pack, can the Descent of Angels rule still be used? A: No. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211028-can-you-use-descent-of-angels-for-a-dedicated-transport/#findComment-2510883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 "A unit with this special rule can re-roll failed reserve rolls if arriving by deep strike.""Player must declare if units are in transport etc. ... If they do, then the unit and the transport will be rolled for together and arrive together" Is the unit arriving by deep strike? Yes. Am I making a reserve roll for the unit? Yes. I've met all the conditions stated in the special rule in order to use the special rule. (The fact I am making a reserve roll for the unit together with the transport doesn't change the fact that I am making a reserve roll for the unit.) The unit isnt moving, the transport is. The unit just count as moving, rules as written. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211028-can-you-use-descent-of-angels-for-a-dedicated-transport/#findComment-2511499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
juckto Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 Official BA FAQ. Link please? I did look, but I couldn't find it on the gamesworkshop website online shop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211028-can-you-use-descent-of-angels-for-a-dedicated-transport/#findComment-2511575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 The Link *of doom* Heads up: Google "games workshop shrine of knowledge" itll get you right there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/211028-can-you-use-descent-of-angels-for-a-dedicated-transport/#findComment-2511647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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