IA: Equites Rhenus 1.2

[Brother Lunkhead]

Chaplains and their rituals are what bind the Chapter together, more than just a shared colour scheme. They venerate (different from worship) the Emperor and the Primarch together. They celebrate victories past together. They lament defeats together. Captains are what organize Chapters into a military force, Chaplains are what make them a brotherhood.

 

Well said Brother

[gripschi]

Thanks both of you for your Sound opionion.

 

I still dislike the Chaplans and Reclusium.

 

But i do understand there Meaning/Usefulles.

 

I intend to Work them inside the Liberarum. They are in charge of Recording deeds and so on. Out of there Ranks, the Liasion Officers come too.

 

In the next time, i will adress it proper. Something surley come by.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

I intend to Work them inside the Liberarum. They are in charge of Recording deeds and so on. Out of there Ranks, the Liasion Officers come too.

 

In the next time, i will adress it proper. Something surley come by.

Have the Chaplains' duties divided between the Librarians on one side, the Chapter and Company Champions (senior Honor Guards, trusted to serve as the Chapter Master and Captains' representatives) on the other? This duplication of effort is so if one side tries to usurp the Chapter Master, he can use the other side to crush the would-be usurpers- see how Saddam Hussein and other dictators setup their security forces.

[gripschi]

Currently i thinking that the Chaplains will be called Loremasters. maybe they arent a part of the Libarum. But a Indepedent Part of the Chapter. They care for the Archives and fullfill the Role to guide and educate the Battle Brothers.

 

The Lore Masters, are in some manners simmilar to thé Runepriest of the SPace Wolves. They hand down the Tradtions and Rites of the Chapter to the new Generation. Fabricate Tales of Honor and Missfortune to educate others.

 

In Combination witht he Libarum they maybe check regular the Companys for Divergence in all sorts of manners. I image that each battle Brother have a personal Tome, which function as his Legacy and a way to prove his identy. Maybe a good point fo Alpha Legion Infiltration.

 

Out of the Dark Imperium Books, i like Gullimauns Histroian Hunters and his own Logistic Corps.

 

You have a good point with the double layerd Security. Maybe the Libarum have similar Dutys. But ont he other Side i dont want to get in a quagmire about this. Maybe simpler is better.

 

 

Or i simply merge them with the Libarum, like the SW did more or less. There Way is something i like. After all each Order have his own "Libarum", which are indepent from others.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Or i simply merge them with the Libarum, like the SW did more or less.

The Space Wolves merge the roles of Chaplain and Apothecary; a "Wolf Priest" wears black armor and a wolf skull helm, but bears a narthecium so he may collect fallen brothers' gene-seeds (and in-game, grant the Feel No Pain special rule). A Rune Priest (Space Wolves Librarian) doesn't fulfill any of a Codex Chapter's Chaplain's tasks.

After all each Order have his own "Libarum", which are indepent from others.

I doubt any loyalist Chapter Master will tolerate such an arrangement. Concentrating the Librarius will allow the Chapter to standardize its Librarians' training- no one will be allowed to solicit "advice" from spirits of the dead (possible Daemons in disguise) unless he's being monitored for signs of Chaos corruption and Daemonic possession. Edited August 4, 2020 by Bjorn Firewalker

[gripschi]

 

Or i simply merge them with the Libarum, like the SW did more or less.

The Space Wolves merge the roles of Chaplain and Apothecary; a "Wolf Priest" wears black armor and a wolf skull helm, but bears a narthecium so he may collect fallen brothers' gene-seeds (and in-game, grant the Feel No Pain special rule). A Rune Priest (Space Wolves Librarian) doesn't fulfill any of a Codex Chapter's Chaplain's tasks.

After all each Order have his own "Libarum", which are indepent from others.

I doubt any loyalist Chapter Master will tolerate such an arrangement. Concentrating the Librarius will allow the Chapter to standardize its Librarians' training- no one will be allowed to solicit "advice" from spirits of the dead (possible Daemons in disguise) unless he's being monitored for signs of Chaos corruption and Daemonic possession.

 

To 1st, right, my failure. Then maybe i go that Loremasters are indeed train in the dutys of the Apothecary and Chaplain. But not as skilled as pure Apothecaris. To dpend enterly for this on Psykers would bring its own risks.

 

to 2nd, valid point. Then i would stationt them on the Star Fort and a small Department on there Home World. The Second one will cirlce in regular intervalls with there brethern. I envison them to oversee the Training of new Aspirants and to seek out the ones with Psyic Abilities to start introduce them to inside the Libarum.

 

Loremaster - Chaplain or Chaplain/Apothecary

 

Libarius, i will includ with alternative Ranks to fit the current Organization.

[Brother Lunkhead]

I'm still confused by your desire to eliminate the Chaplaincy and how you are dividing their duties. I don't object per se with eliminating the Reclusium from your chapter's structure and spreading it's duties to other organizations and individuals. It would be helpful if you explained your reasoning behind it beyond "I still dislike the Chaplains (sic) and Reclusium." This also might help you to visualize how to practically accomplish this.

 

"Loremaster" is very fine position/rank title, but it seems that separating this duty out from the Librarius is a duplication of effort. Remember, Librarians aren't simply the Chapter's psychic warriors. Among their many duties and responsibilities is collecting and maintaining the Chapter's records, history, and lore..... hence the name, "Librarian". Perhaps Loremaster could be a specific rank within the Librarius, responsible for teaching/preaching the Chapter's lore to ensure that it is known and remembered by all ranks of the Chapter.

 

It might also help to understand a bit of the history of the Chaplaincy within the Space Marine chapter structure. The history dates back to the time of the Great Crusade. The Imperial Heralds/Word Bearers had them (and later helped introduce them to the other Legions after the Decree of Nikaea). The Blood Angels had their Wardens, the Salamanders had the Voices of Fire, and the Iron Hands had the Iron Fathers (Chaplain/Techmarine). For more details, it would be worth your time to check out some articles on line about structure, responsibilities, and history of the Chaplaincy. The Lexicanum has a good and brief article here that I recommend for starters.

 

If you are determined to continue on this line of thinking (and once again, that's fine), I think Brother Bjorn's idea for dividing duties between the Librarius and the Chapter/Company Champions makes the most sense. It benefits from no duplication and redundancy in duties and purpose. The Champions are already imbedded in good positions to enforce Chapter orthodoxy, counsel their Brothers, and watch for signs of taint.

 

In summary, step back and take time to examine the why's and the what's and understand the organization that you want to replace.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Brother Lunkhead raises good points.

I'm still confused by your desire to eliminate the Chaplaincy and how you are dividing their duties. I don't object per se with eliminating the Reclusium from your chapter's structure and spreading it's duties to other organizations and individuals. It would be helpful if you explained your reasoning behind it beyond "I still dislike the Chaplains (sic) and Reclusium." This also might help you to visualize how to practically accomplish this.

There should be an in-universe explanation for why the Knights of the Rhine dislike Chaplains. Fortunately, Games Workshop has provided examples to justify such a dislike, e.g., Goge Vandire's Reign of Blood, Cardinal Bucharis' Plague of Unbelief, "false saint" Basillius' Abyssal Crusade.

 

Say the Knights were founded with a Reclusium, like any Codex Chapter; but when the Chaplains tried to force the Chapter into supporting the Ecclesiarchy's ruinous decisions (alternatively, aid Bucharis in his attempt to conquer the Space Wolves Chapter planet of Fenris), the Knights were forced to purge their own Reclusium.

Then maybe i go that Loremasters are indeed train in the dutys of the Apothecary and Chaplain.

"Loremaster" is very fine position/rank title, but it seems that separating this duty out from the Librarius is a duplication of effort. Remember, Librarians aren't simply the Chapter's psychic warriors. Among their many duties and responsibilities is collecting and maintaining the Chapter's records, history, and lore..... hence the name, "Librarian". Perhaps Loremaster could be a specific rank within the Librarius, responsible for teaching/preaching the Chapter's lore to ensure that it is known and remembered by all ranks of the Chapter.

"Loremaster" isn't a title that makes me think of Apothecaries. Maybe use it for Librarians (as Brother Lunkhead suggested), while the Chaplain/Apothecary is titled "Bloodmaster" to reflect his focus on bloodlines (genetic traits, as gene-seed embodies)?

[gripschi]

I'm still confused by your desire to eliminate the Chaplaincy and how you are dividing their duties. I don't object per se with eliminating the Reclusium from your chapter's structure and spreading it's duties to other organizations and individuals. It would be helpful if you explained your reasoning behind it beyond "I still dislike the Chaplains (sic) and Reclusium." This also might help you to visualize how to practically accomplish this.

 

"Loremaster" is very fine position/rank title, but it seems that separating this duty out from the Librarius is a duplication of effort. Remember, Librarians aren't simply the Chapter's psychic warriors. Among their many duties and responsibilities is collecting and maintaining the Chapter's records, history, and lore..... hence the name, "Librarian". Perhaps Loremaster could be a specific rank within the Librarius, responsible for teaching/preaching the Chapter's lore to ensure that it is known and remembered by all ranks of the Chapter.

 

It might also help to understand a bit of the history of the Chaplaincy within the Space Marine chapter structure. The history dates back to the time of the Great Crusade. The Imperial Heralds/Word Bearers had them (and later helped introduce them to the other Legions after the Decree of Nikaea). The Blood Angels had their Wardens, the Salamanders had the Voices of Fire, and the Iron Hands had the Iron Fathers (Chaplain/Techmarine). For more details, it would be worth your time to check out some articles on line about structure, responsibilities, and history of the Chaplaincy. The Lexicanum has a good and brief article here that I recommend for starters.

 

If you are determined to continue on this line of thinking (and once again, that's fine), I think Brother Bjorn's idea for dividing duties between the Librarius and the Chapter/Company Champions makes the most sense. It benefits from no duplication and redundancy in duties and purpose. The Champions are already imbedded in good positions to enforce Chapter orthodoxy, counsel their Brothers, and watch for signs of taint.

 

In summary, step back and take time to examine the why's and the what's and understand the organization that you want to replace.

 

good points. I will consider them. The article you link, is on my list to read =).

 

Brother Lunkhead raises good points.

I'm still confused by your desire to eliminate the Chaplaincy and how you are dividing their duties. I don't object per se with eliminating the Reclusium from your chapter's structure and spreading it's duties to other organizations and individuals. It would be helpful if you explained your reasoning behind it beyond "I still dislike the Chaplains (sic) and Reclusium." This also might help you to visualize how to practically accomplish this.

There should be an in-universe explanation for why the Knights of the Rhine dislike Chaplains. Fortunately, Games Workshop has provided examples to justify such a dislike, e.g., Goge Vandire's Reign of Blood, Cardinal Bucharis' Plague of Unbelief, "false saint" Basillius' Abyssal Crusade.

 

Say the Knights were founded with a Reclusium, like any Codex Chapter; but when the Chaplains tried to force the Chapter into supporting the Ecclesiarchy's ruinous decisions (alternatively, aid Bucharis in his attempt to conquer the Space Wolves Chapter planet of Fenris), the Knights were forced to purge their own Reclusium.

Then maybe i go that Loremasters are indeed train in the dutys of the Apothecary and Chaplain.

"Loremaster" is very fine position/rank title, but it seems that separating this duty out from the Librarius is a duplication of effort. Remember, Librarians aren't simply the Chapter's psychic warriors. Among their many duties and responsibilities is collecting and maintaining the Chapter's records, history, and lore..... hence the name, "Librarian". Perhaps Loremaster could be a specific rank within the Librarius, responsible for teaching/preaching the Chapter's lore to ensure that it is known and remembered by all ranks of the Chapter.

"Loremaster" isn't a title that makes me think of Apothecaries. Maybe use it for Librarians (as Brother Lunkhead suggested), while the Chaplain/Apothecary is titled "Bloodmaster" to reflect his focus on bloodlines (genetic traits, as gene-seed embodies)?

 

Good points too.

 

I tend to move Loremaster to the Libarum as a high rank, which would fit well.

 

Bloodmaster, hmh, sound not so fine in my ears. Therfore i would stay by the current one. But it remind me of the Feldscher, maybe a good Rank for Marines who are trained somewhat inside this topics and still are regular battle Brothers. Just with addtional Duties.

 

Which lead me to the idea of a equivalent for the Loremasters. Maybe Bards as "WIP" for now. Surley it exist a better title somewhere.

 

I will explain the missing Reclusarium. I intend to link it to the fromer counted Regin of Blood or The Plauge of Unbelief. The abysall crusade, hmh, not sure about it.

 

Another Idea is, (only vauge), to link them with my second IA (will be restarted after this one), and therefore they choose the Death of Heros against the Church or teached there new Allies the right ways and remain until there death by them. The Chapter as whole maybe choose to reform them or simply move this dutys towards the Libarum.

[gripschi]

I have Breed over this topic. And reach the Conclusion, i had run in a unnecessary Point of Change/abbadon it.

 

The Reclusium will stay, just under a more fitting name.

 

I think about Loremaster (i feel it fit Here better), Troubadour and/or Bard. Which reprsent the function to teach the Old Rites and Offer Guidance. And to create new pieces of Lore to remember the deeds and failures of the Chapter.

[gripschi]

But i forgot that the Tales and Records more fit to the Libarum.

 

So i will rethink it again.

[gripschi]

New Update is Online now.

 

I have rework nearl all Passages, mostly to cut down the Word Count, to around 4200 Words atm.

 

I appericate input to the changes.

 

WIP

 

Libarum Reculsium

 

Still need to be rework to fit inside the Chapter. Atm i tend to merge them togehter. I envision large libarys on each ship.

 

thanks in advance

[Bjorn Firewalker]

You have good imagination, though you really need a proofreader to check your grammar before posting.

I bolded the corrections I made. You tend to use "there" in place of "their". Many nouns are needlessly capitalized.

They are part of the 3rd Founding, but a delayed part of it. Founded with ancient gene-seed of the 7th Legion itself.

 

During the peak of the preparations for the Founding, a ancient Ramilies star fort, leave the Warp near Terra. Immediate after this, a force consisting of Imperial Fists and various other elements, made haste to intercept and board it.

 

The fort was damaged badly and no living soul was on board, save for a few servitors. The remaining logs, told of fierce fights during the Great Crusade. Why they got lost during the Warp transit is unknown. Something seemed to have boarded it, which lead to heavy losses and damage.

 

They managed to preserve many of their remaining belongings, which contain pure gene-seed. After extensive tests, she was deemed pure and stable.

So the star fort was an Imperial Fists star fort, with onboard gene-seed storage facilities, that was lost during the Great Crusade? Or did it belong to another Legion- maybe one that supported Horus during the Heresy?

 

And wouldn't the Inquisition demand its own specialists examine the star fort for signs of Chaos corruption, in case the star fort turns out to be a Trojan horse? If the Inquisition isn't satisfied, it may attempt to destroy the star fort, to eliminate the potential threat the fort poses.

The High Lords of Terra, allowed the founding of an additional Chapter, as requested by the Imperial Fists and Adeptus Mechanicus. They should guard the fort and protect the Northern Solar Segmentum.

 

They reached full combat readiness in 119.M32. Before the apocalyptic “War of the Beast”, they didn’t encounter a serious threat.

You should read more Black Library books and Lexicanum articles to familiarize yourself with how Games Workshop spells specific terms and formats dates.

Due their long time as a fleet-based Chapter, they still posses a wide array of ships. Many fit for ship-to-ship warfare, contrary to the Codex limitation. Which doesn't bother them.

 

They break through blockades with sheer force, afterwards the numerous cruisers in support of escorts, engage in mobile battles. The cruisers rip the shields apart and escorts finish them with torpedoes and/or the mass of ordnance craft.

1 Chivalry Order of the Errant (Archeotech Seeking Company)

 

Consists of 96 Astartes, plus additional Hospitarii and Trappearii, usually operate outside of the Imperial borders with Rogue Traders and Explorators of the Adeptus Mechanicus on the search of archeotech

Interesting idea.

Since their Founding, the Chapter care way more than others, for their mortal serfs. Knowing that they can't function peerless, without them.

"Peer" implies equality. Who are the Knights comparing themselves to? The Ultramarines? Surely not to mortals in the Astra Militarum, Imperial Navy, or the Adeptus Mechanicus!

Leading them to be highly loyal to their masters; the chance that their offspring may to join the Marines, is a greater ideal they work towards.

This attitude may seem an ideal to the average Imperial subject, but it will never seem so to a Marine, whose extensive hypno-indoctrination will make him view everyone and everything- INCLUDING HIMSELF- as a tool to be used or expended in the pursuit of victory. Remember, Marines "know no fear," and without fear, they are unable to prioritize their own survival over their mission, or sympathize with mortals who lack their sense of priorities.

Each member has a personal heraldry, which is unique and tells their life. When a Squire finishes his training, and is deemed ready, he joins officially the Chivalry Order, and gains the honour to attain the rank of a Knight. It is a ceremony, which was once invented on Terra itself.

This is a good idea.

Uncommon among the ranks of the Adeptus Astartes, they have the tradition of retiring from active duty. With the acceptance of their officers, they relinquish the right to wear power armour and offer their knowledge to the Chapter. Choosing there new place at there own discretion. Important is their continued service toward the Chapter.

Why would these Marines choose to retire from active duty? Remember, Marines are no longer human; they have lifespans that can exceed 1000 years, as Dante (the Blood Angels Chapter Master) demonstrates. They also receive extensive hypno-indoctrination (literal brainwashing) to make them more comfortable on the battlefield.

 

Where would the retired Marines go? To farm, like Cincinnatus? To serve as schoolteachers on the Chapter planet, indoctrinating potential recruits in the Chapter's ideals, like Mr. Dubois (who taught history and moral philosophy to the protagonist of Starship Troopers)? To government positions on the Chapter planet?

 

And why would the Chapter let these Marines go, unless they suffer injuries too severe to let them continue serving, as is the case with the VERY FEW examples of "retired Marines" seen in Black Library novels?

To celebrate important victories, the Chapter holds several tournaments over the course of a month. Where the battle-brothers proove their various skills. In addition to this, the Chapter serfs and there offspring participate in separate tournaments.

 

At the end of this month, all fallen brothers are honored by engraving their names in stone plates, and the ashes of their bodies, collected in urns. Which got bury later on their home world.

Are the tournaments open to the Chapter planet's youths, allowing them to serve as a means with which the Chapter may evaluate potential recruits and replacements for Marines whose sacrifice made the victories possible? Edited August 9, 2020 by Bjorn Firewalker

[gripschi]

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They are part of the 3rd Founding, but a delayed part of it. Founded with ancient gene-seed of the 7th Legion itself.

During the peak of the preparations for the Founding, a ancient Ramilies star fort, leave the Warp near Terra. Immediate after this, a force consisting of Imperial Fists and various other elements, made haste to intercept and board it.

The fort was damaged badly and no living soul was on board, save for a few servitors. The remaining logs, told of fierce fights during the Great Crusade. Why they got lost during the Warp transit is unknown. Something seemed to have boarded it, which lead to heavy losses and damage.

They managed to preserve many of their remaining belongings, which contain pure gene-seed. After extensive tests, she was deemed pure and stable.

So the star fort was an Imperial Fists star fort, with onboard gene-seed storage facilities, that was lost during the Great Crusade? Or did it belong to another Legion- maybe one that supported Horus during the Heresy?

And wouldn't the Inquisition demand its own specialists examine the star fort for signs of Chaos corruption, in case the star fort turns out to be a Trojan horse? If the Inquisition isn't satisfied, it may attempt to destroy the star fort, to eliminate the potential threat the fort poses.

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My failure, i didnt wrote it properly. Yes it is an Imperial Fist Star Fort, which got lost during the Great Crusade. No traitor origin intented.

 

And yes youre right, the Inquistion have very likey screen it too. I will rework this part later to cler it.

 

The High Lords of Terra, allowed the founding of an additional Chapter, as requested by the Imperial Fists and Adeptus Mechanicus. They should guard the fort and protect the Northern Solar Segmentum.

They reached full combat readiness in 119.M32. Before the apocalyptic “War of the Beast”, they didn’t encounter a serious threat.

You should read more Black Library books and Lexicanum articles to familiarize yourself with how Games Workshop spells specific terms and formats dates.

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Right, didnt paid attention to this detail.

Due their long time as a fleet-based Chapter, they still posses a wide array of ships. Many fit for ship-to-ship warfare, contrary to the Codex limitation. Which doesn't bother them.

They break through blockades with sheer force, afterwards the numerous cruisers in support of escorts, engage in mobile battles. The cruisers rip the shields apart and escorts finish them with torpedoes and/or the mass of ordnance craft.

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1 Chivalry Order of the Errant (Archeotech Seeking Company)

Consists of 96 Astartes, plus additional Hospitarii and Trappearii, usually operate outside of the Imperial borders with Rogue Traders and Explorators of the Adeptus Mechanicus on the search of archeotech

Interesting idea.

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Since their Founding, the Chapter care way more than others, for their mortal serfs. Knowing that they can't function peerless, without them.

"Peer" implies equality. Who are the Knights comparing themselves to? The Ultramarines? Surely not to mortals in the Astra Militarum, Imperial Navy, or the Adeptus Mechanicus!

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I choos the wron word, i mean more frictionless/smoohtly. Knowing they need a functioniong working base to put there effort to the Wars they proscut.

 

With comparing you have a intersting point, i didnt really thought about it. I will though about it.

Leading them to be highly loyal to their masters; the chance that their offspring may to join the Marines, is a greater ideal they work towards.

This attitude may seem an ideal to the average Imperial subject, but it will never seem so to a Marine, whose extensive hypno-indoctrination will make him view everyone and everything- INCLUDING HIMSELF- as a tool to be used or expended in the pursuit of victory. Remember, Marines "know no fear," and without fear, they are unable to prioritize their own survival over their mission, or sympathize with mortals who lack their sense of priorities.

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I intend it as goal for the Workers, something to gain maybe the right to settle on there homeworld or a better status.

Each member has a personal heraldry, which is unique and tells their life. When a Squire finishes his training, and is deemed ready, he joins officially the Chivalry Order, and gains the honour to attain the rank of a Knight. It is a ceremony, which was once invented on Terra itself.

This is a good idea.

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Uncommon among the ranks of the Adeptus Astartes, they have the tradition of retiring from active duty. With the acceptance of their officers, they relinquish the right to wear power armour and offer their knowledge to the Chapter. Choosing there new place at there own discretion. Important is their continued service toward the Chapter.

Why would these Marines choose to retire from active duty? Remember, Marines are no longer human; they have lifespans that can exceed 1000 years, as Dante (the Blood Angels Chapter Master) demonstrates. They also receive extensive hypno-indoctrination (literal brainwashing) to make them more comfortable on the battlefield.

Where would the retired Marines go? To farm, like Cincinnatus? To serve as schoolteachers on the Chapter planet, indoctrinating potential recruits in the Chapter's ideals, like Mr. Dubois (who taught history and moral philosophy to the protagonist of Starship Troopers)? To government positions on the Chapter planet?

And why would the Chapter let these Marines go, unless they suffer injuries too severe to let them continue serving, as is the case with the VERY FEW examples of "retired Marines" seen in Black Library novels?

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I will clear it in the next update too.

 

What i enviosion, is not that every astartes can simply retire. It is more like a honorable alternative if a veteran isnt longer fit for fight. In the Horus Rising, they have one Astartes who is sverly criplled, which spent his time now to sort intel and propose startegies. Like you propose in your answer.

 

Something like that. They may join the Strategium to help formulate and sort combat data or spent therer life to further shape the new Recruits.

 

And they forsake the right to wear power armour and there gene seed got removed. It is possiblle, the wiki state that both can be harvest after a certain amount of tinme.

 

To celebrate important victories, the Chapter holds several tournaments over the course of a month. Where the battle-brothers proove their various skills. In addition to this, the Chapter serfs and there offspring participate in separate tournaments.

At the end of this month, all fallen brothers are honored by engraving their names in stone plates, and the ashes of their bodies, collected in urns. Which got bury later on their home world.

Are the tournaments open to the Chapter planet's youths, allowing them to serve as a means with which the Chapter may evaluate potential recruits and replacements for Marines whose sacrifice made the victories possible?

 

Yes thats a good idea. When possible they return for it to there planet. If it isnt possible, they hold it on there Battlebarge.

 

 

Thanks for your answer. I will later implemnt the corectments from you.

 

Sadly i have no one who can proof read it for me. Thanks for this part too. I try to pay more attention to such failures.

 

Edit: Finally implent the correcturs, after my internet choose to work again. Praise the Omnissiah!

Edited August 10, 2020 by gripschi

[gripschi]

Short Update. I have breeding over the points of Reclusium and Libarum. I will follow your lead, i see no explnation to wholly abbandon or merge them. It makes to be honest not that much sense as is saw it first.

 

My curent thinking tend towards: The Reculsium will maybe a new name and ranks like Keeperes of Lore/Rites, with Bard, Troubadour and Loremaster/keeper. They fullfill the dutys of Chaiplains in the sense of teaching the chapters rites and histroy to new Brothers and offer guidance to all who need them.Keep records of Battles and other important things. Maybe they write this tales in form of songs and poems.

 

But i still envison a break with the Church and the formal Rites. After the bloody Civil War, they dont want any relations longer with the church. So they keep the Recluium but no longer use the Rosairum.

 

Each Order have a small detachment of them assinged. But they are not indepnt, just detahcment from the HQ.

 

The Libarum will gain few Ranks too. But largley it will stay as the Codex dictat. They are one Organisation but with some smaller Detachments in the Battle Orders and the HQ on the Star Fort.

[gripschi]

What did you mates think about following:

 

Iam a Fan of Greek Mythology to some degree. Now iam wondering if i should introduce it to the Homeworld Section.

 

The Major Cities and Orders named after Greek Gods and maybe Titans. I Image it as Part of there culture which endure the long dark. They pray to some degree but its more Part of there culture as a Religion.

 

 

Another question, i once played with the concept of a Relic Generator inside there Star Fort. Somehow it got missing over the time :). I think it could Provide a Reason why it was spared after discovery.

 

Certainly it would invite a permanent detachment of Tech Priests. I tend to say that this is a rather Independent bunch. Maybe Cut ties to the AM during the moiare shisma. Simply they could Not stand the Superstision which it showed.

 

It is a possible way to achieve pseudo Tech Marines for my Guys.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Iam a Fan of Greek Mythology to some degree. Now iam wondering if i should introduce it to the Homeworld Section.

 

The Major Cities and Orders named after Greek Gods and maybe Titans. I Image it as Part of there culture which endure the long dark.

The Chapter planet already has a Germanic culture, as you previously indicated. You may need to Germanize the Greek names to make them fit, or save them for use on a planet in the same system, one under the Chapter's Aegis.

They pray to some degree but its more Part of there culture as a Religion.

Do you mean the Marines pray? Such behavior may be common to those from feral worlds- Ragnar Blackmane prays to Leman Russ in William King's novels- but it may be regarded as pointless superstition to those from industrialized worlds. (Yes, I know techpriests pray to the Machine God, but an AdMech member will surely claim his is the "One True God," and look down on other religious beliefs and rituals.)

Another question, i once played with the concept of a Relic Generator inside there Star Fort. Somehow it got missing over the time :). I think it could Provide a Reason why it was spared after discovery.

It could. What does the generator do? Power the void shields more effectively/efficiently, making the star fort impregnable? Alter Warp currents so the fort may be transported to distant battlefields more effectively/efficiently, while disrupting enemy attempts to bring in reinforcements within striking distance of the fort?

Certainly it would invite a permanent detachment of Tech Priests. I tend to say that this is a rather Independent bunch. Maybe Cut ties to the AM during the moiare shisma. Simply they could Not stand the Superstision which it showed.

 

It is a possible way to achieve pseudo Tech Marines for my Guys.

Cutting ties to the AdMech is a VERY BAD IDEA. Not only does it deny your Chapter training for its Techmarines, it also denies it products from forge worlds (weapons, armor, vehicles, as well as the ammo, fuel, and spare parts to keep these devices useful) and raw materials from mining worlds under the AdMech's control (without which the star fort's onboard manufactories are useless).

 

Having the Chapter take sides during the Moirae Schism can add a lot of history to it, but you have to think carefully on the impact this will have. Assuming the Chapter supported the AdMech Orthodoxy, are there Iron Hands successors who praise your Marines as "true brothers" for aiding the AdMech in purging the Moirae believers, while others (e.g., the Sons of Medusa) condemn them as "kinslayers"? Are there forge worlds permanently silenced because the Chapter subjected the Moirae believers' worlds to Exterminatus, and did doing so deny the Imperium resources it needed to win certain wars?

 

And if your Chapter supported the Moirae believers, what penalties did the AdMech demand be applied to it? Forfeit the Chapter planet and/or the star fort, exile to space where tumultuous Warp currents may destroy the Chapter fleet en route, a century-long penance crusade- to say nothing of continuous difficulty getting the resources the AdMech is duty-bound to provide, due to lingering mistrust?

[gripschi]

Iam a Fan of Greek Mythology to some degree. Now iam wondering if i should introduce it to the Homeworld Section.

 

The Major Cities and Orders named after Greek Gods and maybe Titans. I Image it as Part of there culture which endure the long dark.

The Chapter planet already has a Germanic culture, as you previously indicated. You may need to Germanize the Greek names to make them fit, or save them for use on a planet in the same system, one under the Chapter's Aegis.

 

Good point. It is still only a idea. The germanize of it sounds good, i look wikipedia up for it, the germanic panethon offers some fine names. that should fit way better.

 

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They pray to some degree but its more Part of there culture as a Religion.

Do you mean the Marines pray? Such behavior may be common to those from feral worlds- Ragnar Blackmane prays to Leman Russ in William King's novels- but it may be regarded as pointless superstition to those from industrialized worlds. (Yes, I know techpriests pray to the Machine God, but an AdMech member will surely claim his is the "One True God," and look down on other religious beliefs and rituals.)

 

No, i was refering to the chapter planet. More like its a old part of there culture. Old Traditions which still get carried out, something like public holidays and cermonies when someone enter a high postion. Some names remain too.

 

 

Another question, i once played with the concept of a Relic Generator inside there Star Fort. Somehow it got missing over the time . I think it could Provide a Reason why it was spared after discovery.

It could. What does the generator do? Power the void shields more effectively/efficiently, making the star fort impregnable? Alter Warp currents so the fort may be transported to distant battlefields more effectively/efficiently, while disrupting enemy attempts to bring in reinforcements within striking distance of the fort?

 

I mostly tend to say, just that it dont need the useally 3000+ year replacment of the System. Maybe allow pseudo warp jumps, simmilar to the tau. Slower but more safe.

 

 

Certainly it would invite a permanent detachment of Tech Priests. I tend to say that this is a rather Independent bunch. Maybe Cut ties to the AM during the moiare shisma. Simply they could Not stand the Superstision which it showed.

 

It is a possible way to achieve pseudo Tech Marines for my Guys.

Cutting ties to the AdMech is a VERY BAD IDEA. Not only does it deny your Chapter training for its Techmarines, it also denies it products from forge worlds (weapons, armor, vehicles, as well as the ammo, fuel, and spare parts to keep these devices useful) and raw materials from mining worlds under the AdMech's control (without which the star fort's onboard manufactories are useless).

 

Iam aware of this. What i meant to say was: The AM Department cut ties towards the greater AM, not the Marines per se. The dire consequenes are known to me. Thanks for the list.

The constant merge of Astra Millitarum Vehicles Setups witht he Rhino should strain it enough allready. Which lead to the dedicate Company which search for Archeotec.

 

Having the Chapter take sides during the Moirae Schism can add a lot of history to it, but you have to think carefully on the impact this will have. Assuming the Chapter supported the AdMech Orthodoxy, are there Iron Hands successors who praise your Marines as "true brothers" for aiding the AdMech in purging the Moirae believers, while others (e.g., the Sons of Medusa) condemn them as "kinslayers"? Are there forge worlds permanently silenced because the Chapter subjected the Moirae believers' worlds to Exterminatus, and did doing so deny the Imperium resources it needed to win certain wars?

 

iam not exactly sure about there participation in these times. it offers a possiblitie to gain vital assets, which allow maybe some degree of freedom towards the AM. But it would also lead to some complicate relations with the imperium and its factions.

 

And if your Chapter supported the Moirae believers, what penalties did the AdMech demand be applied to it? Forfeit the Chapter planet and/or the star fort, exile to space where tumultuous Warp currents may destroy the Chapter fleet en route, a century-long penance crusade- to say nothing of continuous difficulty getting the resources the AdMech is duty-bound to provide, due to lingering mistrust?

 

Good point. I would guess a pentient cursade and the forfeit of the fort. Later is afterall during this time still there moanestry.

 

 

Thanks for your input. I learn few new things and got a better understanding what some decsions would lead towards.

[gripschi]

New Update Live. It will be the last huge. I stil have many ideas  to wrote down, but i fell like i hit a good saturation of coverd topics and a word count around 4450. I dont put them entirly in the stash, but the IA will be finallized soon.

 

From now on, i will spent a bit time to correct failures and orhography. And will add "cosmetic" things like Names or so.

 

Many thanks for all the Help. Iam a bit proud of my Work, after all i worked over a year on it. And you guys were a huge help.

 

If you find any failures, i thank in advance and will correct them.