Combat Patrol Boxes (Replace Start Collecting Boxes)

[Talbaz]

DA was only said to be early 2021, nothing said January, only thing we have about January was a Imperium codex and a Xeno Codex.

[Vardus]

DA was only said to be early 2021, nothing said January, only thing we have about January was a Imperium codex and a Xeno Codex.

 

The quote Dark Angels fans won’t have to wait much longer – your codex supplement will be on its way early next year, along with the first xenos codex of 2021.

 

This was during the Codex Preview show, so it is fair to say that it's DA with the xenos codex in January. The only other possible thing would be an Imperium Codex with a Xenos Codex and the DA Supplement, but judging by how it's Blood Angels and Death Guard in December, I would say that the former is the safe bet. Unless they were lying?

[quasistellar]

They don't even have to be lying.  The way they said it only implied the DA would come with the first xenos codex.  It's absolutely not confirmed, despite what people are saying.

 

Just don't be surprised in DA is in the February batch.  

[Sete]

They said DA and xenos.

It wasnt implied.

They can change it obviously, but there was no space for implication.

Am I living in the twilight zone?

First codex of 2021 DA and Xenos.

Edited October 28, 2020 by Sete

[Lemondish]

So I think I might be confused here - what does the codex release schedule have to do with the combat patrol boxes? 

[Focslain]

So I think I might be confused here - what does the codex release schedule have to do with the combat patrol boxes? 

 

Seem that GW is planning on releasing a CP box with each codex release. So when an army's codex drops, so does their patrol box.

[Lemondish]

 

So I think I might be confused here - what does the codex release schedule have to do with the combat patrol boxes? 

 

Seem that GW is planning on releasing a CP box with each codex release. So when an army's codex drops, so does their patrol box.

 

 

Ah, that makes sense. It would be nice to see patrol boxes for a variety of different forces, that's for sure. Especially for those with cheaper (points-wise) units at their core. Could result in a pretty solid model count for some factions if they're shooting for 25 PL for each. 

 

I do hope we see this trend continue. 

[Focslain]

 

 

So I think I might be confused here - what does the codex release schedule have to do with the combat patrol boxes? 

 

Seem that GW is planning on releasing a CP box with each codex release. So when an army's codex drops, so does their patrol box.

 

 

Ah, that makes sense. It would be nice to see patrol boxes for a variety of different forces, that's for sure. Especially for those with cheaper (points-wise) units at their core. Could result in a pretty solid model count for some factions if they're shooting for 25 PL for each. 

 

I do hope we see this trend continue. 

 

 

Same, I was toying with the idea of doing a 1K pts/50PL force for all the armies. Kind of like a test of modeling/painting and to be able to demo any faction at my FLGS. The CP boxes make a 'decent' base.

[Master Sheol]

GW said that DA will be out early 2021 with first xenos codex of 2021 in the codex show

Then in WHC article about codex roadmap they showed two unknown codexes with placeholder cover relating to Imperium and Xenos

And the same article said that in january after an orgy of SM releases (3 loyalist and one traitor) xenos will come in January to balance things

 

Now IF GW said DA early 2021 along first xenos codex and then confirmed first xenos codex in january 2021 even a blindman could see that is DA+xenos in january

[Halandaar]

DA was only said to be early 2021, nothing said January, only thing we have about January was a Imperium codex and a Xeno Codex.

 

They don't even have to be lying.  The way they said it only implied the DA would come with the first xenos codex.  It's absolutely not confirmed, despite what people are saying.

 

Just don't be surprised in DA is in the February batch.  

 

The conclusion of Dark Angels in January is made up of two different bits of information:

1. "Dark Angels fans won’t have to wait much longer – your codex supplement will be on its way early next year, along with the first xenos codex of 2021." - WHC Codex Show 12 Sep 2020
2. "While early next year we’ll see another xenos race rise up to put those Space Marines in their place." WHC Codex Roadmap 15 Oct 2020, but most importantly, that sentence is accompanied by this image which clearly has the word JANUARY written on it  

Sure, the first bit is vague on the date but what's important is it ties the DA book to the Xenos book in terms of when it releases. It's the second bit, which specifically puts that Xenos Codex in January, that gives us our January release date for DA.

 

AAAAAND to bring it back on topic, is why it seems like a Dark Angels Combat Patrol will be out in January too.

[quasistellar]

Maybe it's a language barrier thing, but "along with" doesn't always mean "at the same time as".

 

I'm not saying it WON'T be the january codex/supplement--I'm just saying it's not a sure thing.  It's inarguable that it's NOT confirmed.  You literally can not prove that it's coming in January (at the time of this post)--you can only imply it.  I'm sorry if that is upsetting to people?

[Lemondish]

I don't think it matters if it is upsetting or not, because it kind of feels extremely off topic.

 

Combat Patrol boxes are SW and DW right now, and nobody else.

[Talbaz]

I don't think it matters if it is upsetting or not, because it kind of feels extremely off topic.

 

Combat Patrol boxes are SW and DW right now, and nobody else.

 

Execpt there not GW even said in the Warcom Article " For a long time, the Start Collecting! boxes have been a great way to begin a Warhammer 40,000 army or to add to an existing one. Now, as new codexes and codex supplements come out, they will start to be replaced with Combat Patrol boxes instead."

 

And right now a bunch of the same SC are out of stock in mutliple regions, if the range is being replaced I don't see rebox being the reason, espically when some of those faction have releases incoming. (Drukhari, Blood Angels, Ad Mech, Space Marines(Could be a duel release with Death Guard), and Orks)

[Silas7]

 

 

It's a tough call between the Space Wolves Combat Patrol, or Hyrule Warriors x Watch Dogs Legion for me.

 

Vidya always gets massively discounted in a few months unlike GW stuff which is a static price in comparison, so you could do both if you can wait. 

 

HAHAHA...  what gamer ever waits a few months...most want everything now or yesterday....   you are correct though 

i see price creep in GW's boxes... another year or two and we'll be going hmm this $500 box is so cheap for entry level into 40k ...

 

Mithril

 

I've been waiting for over a year for some games because Epic game store exclusivity, so I will try to brush your comment off in jest.

[Irbis]

Same, I was toying with the idea of doing a 1K pts/50PL force for all the armies. Kind of like a test of modeling/painting and to be able to demo any faction at my FLGS. The CP boxes make a 'decent' base.

 

Then why aren't you doing it right now? Patrol boxes are terrible base for it, SC offer much better discount. DW patrol is so terribad it's actually MORE expensive than buying equivalent SC plus all the units it is missing at full, discount-less GW price

[MegaVolt87]

Will there be a generic combat patrol box for SM, also what about for Necrons ?

[ThePenitentOne]

 

Same, I was toying with the idea of doing a 1K pts/50PL force for all the armies. Kind of like a test of modeling/painting and to be able to demo any faction at my FLGS. The CP boxes make a 'decent' base.

 

Then why aren't you doing it right now? Patrol boxes are terrible base for it, SC offer much better discount. DW patrol is so terribad it's actually MORE expensive than buying equivalent SC plus all the units it is missing at full, discount-less GW price

 

 

I'll bite. Prices in CAD:

 

Primaris LT with P Sword = $40

DW Apothecary = $61

Aggressors = $60

Tactical Squad = $60

2 x Upgrade Sprue = $36

 

That's $256 CAD, 148  British Pounds or $192 USD.

My guess is I save $56-76 CAD on the CP box over separates.

 

Comparing it to the SC is weird though- If I remember correctly it was a Dread + a 10 Man squad (an actual 10 DW KT, not Tacs + upgrade) + Artemis for $120 CAD. The Dread Appears to be bespoke- the shin guards are pointy and the plasma cannon doesn't seem to be available. Good news is that it might get released as a standalone with the dex since the SC box is done.

 

CP box = 4 Units

SC box = 3 Units

 

Artemis is cheaper than a Primaris LT.

Tacs are cheaper than a 10 man DW KT, but not by much when you factor in the upgrade sprue. I like the 10 man KT way better too- it's more than just an upgrade sprue- the load out is diverse.

The Dread = The Aggressors, though as noted, this dread looks bespoke

 

So essentially, SC + Apothecary  and now the two kits are equal.

That's $181 CAD, 104 British Pounds or $136 USD. So if the CP box costs more, you're right. If not, you aren't.

 

Now we can debate about whether Artemis > Primaris LT, and Dread > Aggressor.

But here's the deal: if they do release the standalone dread, it's better for the range because that's two new kits.

 

And I think you're also missing out on GW strategy: for those who already had the SC box, the CP box doesn't duplicate anything, which means having them both was the real money spot for savings. The other thing is, their battle box isn't going away, so you can still do BB + CP for big savings. If you were fortunate enough to have done all 3, well damn, you saved a mit! 

[Talbaz]

Will there be a generic combat patrol box for SM, also what about for Necrons ?

 

I presume a Repack of Dark Imperium will be the DG/SM Combat Patrols

[KaosRaptor]

The Dread Appears to be bespoke- the shin guards are pointy and the plasma cannon doesn't seem to be available. Good news is that it might get released as a standalone with the dex since the SC box is done.

 

But here's the deal: if they do release the standalone dread, it's better for the range because that's two new kits.

 

 

Erm, isn't the dread in question just the current Venerable Dread?

[Eternal Despair]

Yeah it's just a Venerable Dreadnought with some DW bits from the upgrade sprue

[Mandragola]

I’m not too impressed with these first boxes. Not much of a discount and too many intercessors, which most marine players won’t need more of.

 

Still, the content isn’t all that bad value. The future ones might be better. It’s possible that we’ll see one with some infiltrators instead of intercessors, which would improve it loads.

 

I don’t expect we’ll see any of the new marine models in these things though, sadly. New stuff doesn’t tend to get put in discount boxes - though there have been a. Few examples when it did happen.

[Halandaar]

I've no particular issue with the pricing for the contents included in either set; discounts is discounts and anything is better than nothing, especially when quite a few of these kits are not usually available via discounted means. Obviously the price means you need to actively want at least 2 of the included kits for it to be worthwhile buying, but that was often the case with SC boxes anyway.

 

What's more of an issue/disappointment is that a lower priced point of entry with a much more unique set of models has been removed to make room for these Combat Patrols (in the case of DW at least).

 

Hopefully we'll see another means of getting a "taste" of a new faction for 40k at a lower price, a bit like the warbands in Warhammer Underworlds serve as faction-teasers for AoS (or maybe more realistically, like the new boxes for Warcry which combine models from a couple of different kits to give you a starter warband. Something like that for Kill Team would be ideal)

[Petitioner's City]

The good thing with more intercessor bodies is having many bodies to build more truescale firstborn units - be it, longfangs, grey hunters, devastators, sternguard, wolf guard, whatever else...

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I'm trying to withhold judgement on combat patrols till we see how they handle them for non-marine armies. To be a good product they're gonna to need to be consistently priced for the same PL/points, play well against each other, and be designed to be a combat patrol force. If I'm being honest my first impression is that the deathwatch force fails my criteria, but we haven't seen the supplement yet either so maybe it'll look like more fun.

 

I don't like that they raised the price but I also think the experience will be better with the effort they've put into crusade and combat patrol.

[Lord Raven 19]

I await the guard box but will probably buy another 2 of the SCs in the meantime.