WrathOfTheLion Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I don't even think Luther knows, so I don't think the Chaos side is going to intentionally be after him, unless we see them get that information in the story. phandaal and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lord Marshal said: Or the rumours are wrong and new Terminators aren't coming. It was also said there'd be a new Marine codex before 10th and the booklet in Strike Force Agastus would imply it isn't. I don't think this implies anything either way for the new Terminator rumour. If there is a new Marine codex coming, it is clearly behind Agastus so Agustus will need to include rules to tide people over. Shadowspear contained a rules booklet even though the Marine 8.2E codex came out quite close afterwards with more complete rules in it. If anything, Agastus makes the Terminator rumours and new Marine codex more likely. Valrak leaked that we were getting the Brutalis, Desolators and MPK Lieutenant months ago and he was bang on the money for all 3. That makes me give his rumours about Terminators, the Lion and a 10E Marine codex more weight. Edited January 27, 2023 by Karhedron Arbedark, Richard S. Ta and Brother Borgia 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammonius Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 34 minutes ago, phandaal said: Does he know the Lion is still around? We know the Emperor knows, and the Watchers, but has it been stated anywhere that anyone else knows? Maybe Vashtorr only wants the body of the Lion to corrupt with daemon-cybernetics to make some kind of Primarch/Obliterator monster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinespider Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) I really hope they retire the Venomcrawler/Obliterator sprue in favor of new, separate kits sometime soon. This is getting embarassing. 47 minutes ago, phandaal said: Does he know the Lion is still around? We know the Emperor knows, and the Watchers, but has it been stated anywhere that anyone else knows? We know the Changeling basically had a free hand to run around the Rock for a little while, it's very plausible that it could have gained that information during that time and brought it back to the Warp. Edited January 27, 2023 by Shinespider Vesalius, Emperor Ming and Khornestar 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Ming Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, Shinespider said: We know the Changeling basically had a free hand to run around the Rock for a little while, it's very plausible that it could have gained that information during that time and brought it back to the Warp. Yep, I was just typing the exact same line almost word for word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Shinespider said: We know the Changeling basically had a free hand to run around the Rock for a little while, it's very plausible that it could have gained that information during that time and brought it back to the Warp. If the Changeling knew/learned about the Lion, why not do something about him while he was still asleep? I am going with the theory that the Lion's presence is still a secret unless/until GW reveal otherwise. I think the most likely scenario is the raid threatens to breech the Rock at which point the Lion pulls a "Get off my porch!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Ammonius said: Maybe Vashtorr only wants the body of the Lion to corrupt with daemon-cybernetics to make some kind of Primarch/Obliterator monster? Vashtorr would still need to know somehow that the Lion is within the Rock, alive or dead. 1 hour ago, Shinespider said: We know the Changeling basically had a free hand to run around the Rock for a little while, it's very plausible that it could have gained that information during that time and brought it back to the Warp. Keep in mind that the Lion is so well-hidden that the Dark Angels themselves have not found him during their 10,000 years of occupancy. He is also attended by the Watchers in the Dark at all times. No doubt they would have warded him from detection in the event any sort of Chaos entity got close. Interrogator Stobz, Asbestress, WrathOfTheLion and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Vash rocking around the Rock… * sniff * * sniff * ”I smell me soem Primarch meat !!!” ”WAKEY WAKEY LION !! EGGS AND BAKEY !!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Eye Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Regarding the Deathwing Terminators, I'm not sure they exactly need replacing. They're pre-Primaris but they're AFAIK a very good kit? Robbienw and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Yeah i think Luther knows the Watchers saved him but nothing more, and those lil bad boys are quite powerful psykers good at misdirection so i suspect they could fool a changeling who wasnt expecting to find a sleepy primarch. Overall though whatever happens will be what the Story guys think is best rather than us! :P Bryan Blaire, Khornestar and WrathOfTheLion 2 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DonCorleone- Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Lord Marshal said: Or the rumours are wrong and new Terminators aren't coming. It was also said there'd be a new Marine codex before 10th and the booklet in Strike Force Agastus would imply it isn't. I think the marine codex was true. I think all the art for the marine battle force boxes were supposed to be covers for the supplemental codex for the remaining major chapters as all are in the style of 9th ed codex covers. I think supply chain issue delayed and cancelled a lot of releases for 40k and AOS Edited January 27, 2023 by -DonCorleone- Noserenda and Richard S. Ta 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I really dislike these boxes with new characters and old stuff. This might be the worst one yet. Other than the characters, there’s almost certainly nothing in there that most DA or chaos players don’t already have plenty of. I guess you can buy the set and eBay the rest to end up with a free-ish character. They should just stop this though. Karhedron, MithrilForge, Alby the Slayer and 4 others 6 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 This pretty much confirms to me geedub will release Primaris Terminators. The logic is obvious as well. Emperor Ming and Richard S. Ta 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) Is the Tuchulcha Engine still in the Rock? Vashtorr probably wants that if it is. Seems like the kind of thing he'd be into. Edited January 28, 2023 by Urauloth Sarvis and Interrogator Stobz 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukkiz Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 chaos side is really weird... DA not much better, why mix "old" termies and new primaris when GW been pushing *Buy all primaris now, DO IT!* for awhile now? DA Termie kit builds three different squads and has alot spares for your bitboxes, dunno about primaris, never got one. Azrael has helmet option with watcher carrying scabbard. BUT chaos side is basically, minimal spare parts and options while every model is basically monopose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARMASTER_ Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 9 hours ago, BLACK BLŒ FLY said: This pretty much confirms to me geedub will release Primaris Terminators. The logic is obvious as well. See for me it confirms the exact opposite, Valrak once again was spot on with rumours so why is he suddenly wrong now when it’s from the same source.These are also Deathwing Terminators not only an old box that wants shifting before a new kit comes out but also I very fluffy unit to have with Azrael Brother Borgia, Interrogator Stobz, Khornestar and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARMASTER_ Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 20 hours ago, Lord Marshal said: My current theory is that Vashtorr is deliberately trying to wake up the Lion in order to undermine the Big Four, so he has an easier time of it ascending further. My guess is Vashtorr needs some archeotech from the rock as we know it’s full of it and whilst besieging the rock the Watchers finally wake up the Lion as Vashtorr is such a big threat or something around those lines It could go either way both story lines work Skywrath 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borbarad Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Am I the only OCD person here who refuses mix firstborn and primaris in one army and runs to armies instead? Khornestar, Slave to Darkness, Warden-Paints and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, Borbarad said: Am I the only OCD person here who refuses mix firstborn and primaris in one army and runs to armies instead? Not at all but personally mix-n-match doesn't bother me. I play BAs and SWs and both took heavy losses on Baal and Cadia respectively so running Firstborn veterans alongside newer Primaris reinforcements feels fluffy to me. But each to their own. WrathOfTheLion, Borbarad, painting.for.my.sanity and 1 other 3 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Borbarad said: Am I the only OCD person here who refuses mix firstborn and primaris in one army and runs to armies instead? Definately not though I only have the one marine army. Initially it was because most classic marines (betrayal of calth, 2013 tactical kit) looked like children next to primaris marines, later models (recent tall beakies) don't suffer from that nearly as much, but say a complete heresy era beakie attachment to an otherwise pure primaris force would just feel really weird. I guess they have too strong "historic" identities? I do like to mix in a fair bit of older armor mark bits (read: helmets, really). So while everyone's primaris in the crusade, their point of origin vary a lot between "awoken" "indoctrinated" and "asended" marines. Aaaanyway, with that said with the recent rumors, we have to see if there even will be distinction left between the units (ergo the termies and the rest) of this box. Interesting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 hours ago, WARMASTER_ said: It could go either way both story lines work Vashtorr knowing the Lion is around does not work, but him coming to raid the Rock for tech does. Karhedron and WrathOfTheLion 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbedark Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 4 hours ago, WARMASTER_ said: See for me it confirms the exact opposite, Valrak once again was spot on with rumours so why is he suddenly wrong now when it’s from the same source.These are also Deathwing Terminators not only an old box that wants shifting before a new kit comes out but also I very fluffy unit to have with Azrael I've not been following along with who said what, so what, exactly, has Valrak got wrong here? 2 hours ago, Borbarad said: Am I the only OCD person here who refuses mix firstborn and primaris in one army and runs to armies instead? I can't mix and match infantry, but only because of the scale differences. And the same with regular boxnaughts vs Redemptor. If Primaris could use firstborn transports then I'd certainly mix and match with those. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARMASTER_ Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Arbedark said: I've not been following along with who said what, so what, exactly, has Valrak got wrong here? Nothing at all that’s what I was saying? He’s right again with everything so why would he be wrong about the new Terminators Edited January 28, 2023 by WARMASTER_ HolyPestilience, Arbedark and Oxydo 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbedark Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, WARMASTER_ said: Nothing at all that’s what I was saying? He’s right again with everything so why would he be wrong about the new Terminators Apologies, I read your post as saying that you were doubting the veracity of Valrak, as he'd gone from getting stuff right to suddenly getting stuff wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Arbedark said: If Primaris could use firstborn transports then I'd certainly mix and match with those. Both dread and anticipate this potential option... On the one hand, I like that marine vehicles were given a unique visual identity with the repulsor technology. In practise... I'm not really in love with any of the repulsor vehicles, while we have some very venerable tracked vehicles (Land raiders) as well as cool new additions (sicarans, kratos) that I think in general are cooler/more established. But I'd like as always to be pretty consistant with my crusade, so would i want hovering and tracked units mixed? Stay purely hovering as i got a few of those now, but don't like them as much as some venerable options? Dunno. 10th will have to answer a lot of questions. Edited January 28, 2023 by Marshal Reinhard painting.for.my.sanity 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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