Rumour New HH Indomitus kit and other rumors

[Master Commander Ajax]

8 minutes ago, Jukkiz said:

i just hoped for MK. V but MK. II is good too

The new Bezerkers wear mkV I believe. I shouldn’t be getting my hopes up but I would love to see a generic version of that kit for my loyalists. 

[phandaal]

24 minutes ago, Master Commander Ajax said:

I think that updating Indomitus Terminators for the Heresy range is a better option than trying to ‘Primaris’ them.

 

Primaris keyword is going away, so it is just upscaling now. Like it always should have been.

[Xirix]

32 minutes ago, phandaal said:

Indomitus for Horus Heresy sounds like nonsense, given that their styling has always been in the "40k" direction rather than 30k. There is a distinct difference in weaponry between the two settings.

 

Storm bolters vs combi bolters etc.

Chaos Terminators are Indomitus though, no? They have combi-bolters and would have been used during the Heresy.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Xirix

[SkimaskMohawk]

1 minute ago, Xirix said:

Chaos Terminators are Indomitus though, no? They have combi-bolters and were used during the Heresy.

 

And amusingly, can't be used in heresy as indomitus without going pure fists+bolters or double lightning claw. 

 

They very much made them to be built out of the space marine kits in 2nds rules.

[Captain Idaho]

4 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

Doesn't make much sense to me. Unless GW is intending to move all the "classic" marine units to 30k or Legends?

 

This could be a step in that direction I guess.

 

Dual kits I reckon. 30K kits that can be utilised in 40K, so they retire the 40K kits and save space.

 

Makes perfect sense the more I think about it.

 

Still, too good to be true? After all, there's no rules in the main books for Indomitus Terminators which kind of indicates we'd get Seekers (dual Sternguard eh), Assault Marines etc first? I dunno. I'd like this to be true and solves the conundrum we've debated before.

[phandaal]

14 minutes ago, Xirix said:

Chaos Terminators are Indomitus though, no? They have combi-bolters and would have been used during the Heresy.

 

Safe to say that a dual kit would not be intended for use as Chaos Terminators in 40k. And the non-Chaos Terminators have different weapon types.

 

So either GW is going to come out with Terminators with two different weapon sets, or they are going to redo Terminators in 40k so they no longer use the weapons they have available today, or the rumor is wrong.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

HH units aren’t made to be used interchangeably with 40k… for example, tanks and dreads cost a relic tax.

Edited February 4, 2023 by BLACK BLΠFLY

[lansalt]

Looking at the Chaos Terminator sprues, the new WE decals, and the fitting shoulder pads in the Eightbound kit, GW could have thrown a bone to WE players allowing mixing melee weapons in their datasheet (double claws, power fist+chainaxe/power axe, etc)

 

I also wonder if those cataphractii-like shoulder pads in the Berzerkers kit are actually compatible with cataphractii terminators.

Edited February 4, 2023 by lansalt

[Captain Idaho]

14 minutes ago, BLACK BLΠFLY said:

HH units aren’t made to be used interchangeably with 40k… for example, tanks and dreads cost a relic tax.

 

True there is a CP investment for some things but that doesn't mean they can't be utilised in both game systems and the plastic MK3, MK4 Marines and now MK6, Cataphractii and Tartarus Terminators, plastic Contemptor (Betrayal at Calth and still on sale), characters from Betrayal at Calth are all in the main Codex without any attached CP cost.

 

So I would say this new way of doing things is very feasible and actually in practice.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Sure and we have relic Terminators but I wouldn’t use them for tactical Terminators.

[Captain Idaho]

That's the point, new Indomitus 30K Terminators that can represent both systems like their "Relic Terminator" counterparts.

Edited February 4, 2023 by Captain Idaho

[Corswain]

Well that has to be the fastest emotional u-turn I've done for a while - seeing Heresy rumour thread . Link to natfka .

 

Edited February 4, 2023 by Corswain

[Misterduch]

1. the Valrak rumour of terminators being rescaled instead of primarised does sort of loan some credence to the idea that there may be a special HH sprue or something. It would he practical for the kit to pull double duty. But even if they don't all you need is one blank shoulder pad per marine to make them HH accurate.

 

2.MK2 armour is supposedly done according to Valrak aswell, and having one army box a year isn't out of the question when 40k can seemingly get 6+ a year.

 

3. I remember Valrak mentioning a new Dreadnought bases on the RT one....

 

Wait...Did Nafka just steal Valrak rumours? Who would have guessed /s

[Chapter Master Valrak]

Some cool Heresy stuff coming, hearing Tank commanders are going to be getting something, no idea what that means but I guess we'll see soon enough, oh and don't forget the rumoured Contemptor upgrade kits and the FW resin Knights going plastic, some stuff to look forward to too.

 

I've been spammed that link like 50 times already today so I will make a video on it at some point talking about how 'legit' it is :)

[DesuVult]

1 hour ago, BLACK BLΠFLY said:

HH units aren’t made to be used interchangeably with 40k… for example, tanks and dreads cost a relic tax.

Contemptor Dreadnought on page 160 of the space marine codex doesn't have a relic tax.

[spessmarine]

14 minutes ago, DesuVult said:

Contemptor Dreadnought on page 160 of the space marine codex doesn't have a relic tax.

if it is plastic, it is in the codex
which makes the next codex interesting because there is a lot more plastic now

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

37 minutes ago, Misterduch said:

1. the Valrak rumour of terminators being rescaled instead of primarised does sort of loan some credence to the idea that there may be a special HH sprue or something. It would he practical for the kit to pull double duty. But even if they don't all you need is one blank shoulder pad per marine to make them HH accurate.

 

2.MK2 armour is supposedly done according to Valrak aswell, and having one army box a year isn't out of the question when 40k can seemingly get 6+ a year.

 

3. I remember Valrak mentioning a new Dreadnought bases on the RT one....

 

Wait...Did Nafka just steal Valrak rumours? Who would have guessed /s

[TempestBlade]

If the FW knights get done in plastic my poor wallet is doomed 

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

25 minutes ago, DesuVult said:

Contemptor Dreadnought on page 160 of the space marine codex doesn't have a relic tax.

There’s a Relic Contemptor… it has a lot more options.

[Noserenda]

I'm always a bit doubtful of army boxes for hh because Tony Cottrell directly poured scorn on the idea at a Weekender, saying heresy players don't need them. Afaik he is still Andy Hoares boss.

 

I'd really expect the next armour mk in the 3rd ed starter in a few years, happy to be wrong ofc!

 

Given how aggressively they seem to be separating the brands I wouldn't expect a specifically dual system box, though terminators for one or both can work. Given how close the indomni terminators are to the 40k box that seems most likely to me

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, TempestBlade said:

If the FW knights get done in plastic my poor wallet is doomed 

 

There is another unit tat could pull double duty in 40K since the IK range is fairly small. Adding a few plastic FW Knights to the lineup would appeal to a lot of players.

[Astartes Consul]

36 minutes ago, Noserenda said:

I'm always a bit doubtful of army boxes for hh because Tony Cottrell directly poured scorn on the idea at a Weekender, saying heresy players don't need them. Afaik he is still Andy Hoares boss.

 

I'd really expect the next armour mk in the 3rd ed starter in a few years, happy to be wrong ofc!

 

Given how aggressively they seem to be separating the brands I wouldn't expect a specifically dual system box, though terminators for one or both can work. Given how close the indomni terminators are to the 40k box that seems most likely to me

 

I don't think he is, anymore? Although trying to work out who is doing what at GW is like trying to untangle cold spaghetti.

 

But Andy heads the Specialist Games studio which has oversight of the HH game. Tony Cottrell heads Forge World, which no longer has oversight of the HH game in the way it used to.

 

I think.

[Captain Idaho]

2 hours ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

Some cool Heresy stuff coming, hearing Tank commanders are going to be getting something, no idea what that means but I guess we'll see soon enough, oh and don't forget the rumoured Contemptor upgrade kits and the FW resin Knights going plastic, some stuff to look forward to too.

 

I've been spammed that link like 50 times already today so I will make a video on it at some point talking about how 'legit' it is :)

 

So positive or negative on the legit scale?

[The Emperors Champion22]

10 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

Doesn't make much sense to me. Unless GW is intending to move all the "classic" marine units to 30k or Legends?

 

This could be a step in that direction I guess.

it could make sense if they justify it that theyre the last mark of armor made during the scouring age or whatever.

[Captain Idaho]

Well if GW/FW expand the Heresy beyond the original Heresy timeline, to the Scouring for example, we'll see MK7 and Indomitus available anyway.

 

I've got a feeling they have a long term plan to have expansions of the Heresy rules to settings in the Crusade and the 10K years leading up to just before the current 40K timeline. It just seems to be going that way with the leap forward in time 40K is going through regularly (plot going forward) that GW will make an AoS sort of leap forward with 40K whilst the "historic" aspect of it exists to keep everyone happy.

 

Precedent for this would be Epic, which was set originally in the Horus Heresy and expanded as far as modern 40K for its era with Tyranids.

 

New Indomitus Terminators would be the logical next step in that road map, so to speak.