[DW/SM] Spectre of Ullanor (OOC/Discussion)

[Lysimachus]

56 minutes ago, Necronaut said:

 

I came here to kill orks and chew bubblegum, and I didn't bring enough to share with the class.

 

Definitely a fair point that Sqd won't benefit/appeal to everyone... 

[Mazer Rackham]

3 hours ago, Lysimachus said:

Will we have a Leader that can auto-succeed and allow us all to join? If Xin isn't with us and Leyuun is on Autopilot, can we please get him to do it as part of his R1 Actions. (Much the same effect as he's right at the end of the Round, but saves us the risk of each needing to do the Challenge?)

 

A good suggestion given the circumstances, as per the Campaign Rules, but I understand the situation the Xin is in, and the other Players should not be penalised, so we will fudge something together about how Leyuun is literally witnessing a repeat of his team being murdered, and pulls you all together...well, kind of.

 

You can start Round 2 in SQDM.

 

2 hours ago, Trokair said:

You did not bring enough Orks? How'd you manage that, they tend to come in a fair number.

 

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Resolved. Requesting more Orks...

 

 

Edited November 7 by Mazer Rackham

[Necronaut]

@Trokair @Mazer Rackham BUBBLEGUM! BUBBLE! GUM!

 

<Is subsequently crushed under the mass of an entire WAAAGH!!! worth of orks>

[grailkeeper]

I edited my last post v slightly and I think it messed something up?

[Lysimachus]

It's the abbreviation for Ballistic Skill triggering the Swear Filter, meaning that posts get auto-hidden and need manual approval. I usually try to put BaS instead?

 

 

[Trokair]

12 minutes ago, grailkeeper said:

I edited my last post v slightly and I think it messed something up?

 

Means your post was caught by the new and a tad overly vigilant swear filter. A mod will aprove your post in time, just wait. 

 

Did you use the abreviation B_S (witout the underscore) for Balistic Skill? That has been known to get caught at times so around here we have goten itn othe habit of abreviating Balistic Skil as BaS or BAS or some such varient.

 

 

Edit: Lys ninjaed me. 

Edited November 7 by Trokair

[Mazer Rackham]

I can see the post now, excellent. Cheers for sorting that, Lys (I'm assuming!) .

 

Which mob was the target of your bomb, Grail?

 

Edited November 7 by Mazer Rackham

[grailkeeper]

B. S. is a swear?

I was planning on using a lot of actual swears for this character. I've been watching a lot of HBO's Rome and was going to base him on pullo. So a lot of HBO language!

[Mazer Rackham]

42 minutes ago, grailkeeper said:

B. S. is a swear?

I was planning on using a lot of actual swears for this character. I've been watching a lot of HBO's Rome and was going to base him on pullo. So a lot of HBO language!

 

 

*Faints dead away at the insalubrious language!*

 

Rough talk like you'd find in a BL Novel will pass muster.  Anything worse, just use  and all will be well.

 

 

[Trokair]

1 hour ago, grailkeeper said:

B. S. is a swear?

I was planning on using a lot of actual swears for this character. I've been watching a lot of HBO's Rome and was going to base him on pullo. So a lot of HBO language!

 

Could always try for some creative inuniverse swears. Starting with the ever popular 'By The Throne'

[Mazer Rackham]

If in doubt always go for Olde Aenglish:

 

'Cease thy absquatulance, dandyprat!'

 

'Befuddle other poltroons elsewhere, popinjay!'

 

'Clankernap thine own arsecheeks, clotpole!'

 

'Thou art a turgid appendix, grumbling and indelicate, fit only for excision upon a crawful of festering excrement!'

 

Edited November 8 by Mazer Rackham

[Lord_Ikka]

I believe I did the heavy flamer firing correctly, but haven't ever used one so I'm not sure if there is more or less I need to do...

[Lysimachus]

5 hours ago, Lord_Ikka said:

I believe I did the heavy flamer firing correctly, but haven't ever used one so I'm not sure if there is more or less I need to do...

 

I'm pretty sure all Marines get Bulging Biceps, so don't have to Brace? But even without it, a Flame weapon doesn't make a hit roll so the penalty doesn't apply?

 

Also they can't Dodge, so you just apply the number of Hits - I think pg360 covers it but against Hordes it's 1/4 of Range +d5, plus another d5 for Cleanse and Purify.

 

[Lord_Ikka]

Ok, so it would be 8 (1/4 of 30m rounded up) + d5 (1) + 5 (Cleanse) = 14 hits. 

Bulging Biceps only effects SAB/FAB heavy weapons, so the -20 to the Agility Test still applies - it isn't a Dodge Test, just a required test against Flame weapons. So that means that 14 hits worth of Orks need to take an Agility test to see if they get damaged, and then another to see if they get set on Fire if they fail.  

[Lysimachus]

Not quite. True, the Flame weapon quality just describes it as an Ag test, but the Dodge Action description (crb pg238/9) clarifies, including area of effect attacks (and says 'such as flamers')

 

So avoiding a Flame attack is a Reaction, so you only get one, and Hordes generally don't get any Reactions, so don't get to make the Dodge attempt.

 

 

Edit: for clarity, in my previous post, by 'penalty' I meant the Ballistic Skill penalty for firing a heavy weapon without bracing. Which obviously doesn't apply to flamers, as you don't roll to hit.

 

The -20 to the Dodge test from C+P does apply... but doesn't matter vs Hordes, who don't get to Dodge at all.

 

 

Edit edit: Just rereading the Flame quality, I think I see where it might be getting mixed up - Astartes Weapon training includes Flame weapons, so you do have the necessary training and they don't get the +20 to their Dodge (if they were a regular dude rather than a Horde)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 8 by Lysimachus

[Lord_Ikka]

Ok. So versus Hordes I'll just not add in the Agility test part.

[Machine God]

WE & SL SMB would have been pointed towards the ORKS!!! 

 

If a Bolter cannot FAB how can a twin-linked Bolter? 

 

It's SAB at best. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 8 by Machine God
SAB

[Trokair]

The bike twin bolter attached to the bike in Rites of Battle (page 176) has S/2/4 for shots and can therefore FAB.

 

It has a slightly different profile from normal Bolters (including Dmage of 2d10+5) which for normal bolters was changed in the Errata. When I braught it up earlier in the thread Mazer said to use the normal bolter errata damage but leave the rest of the profile alone.  

 

 

Edit: found the post where Mazer summarised the earlier discussion

 

  

On 9/1/2025 at 11:23 PM, Mazer Rackham said:

With two-wheeled menace on the mind, just a couple of clarifications on bikes and ammo and weapon profiles (I think I may have already made this clear through Tro's query earlier):

1. Rule of three only applies to personal weapons;
2. Bike Bolters use the following profile.
   1. Driver-operated bolter (Facing Front, 100m, S/2/4, 1D10+9 X, Pen 4, Clip 40, Reload Full (Each), Tearing, Twin-linked).
   2. Bike bolters can be salvaged, but they lose the Full Automatic setting.
3. If Requisitioned, shot selectors hold up to three magazines, BUT they do not come with three magazines. You have to BYOB (bring your own boltshells).
   1. In regard to bikes, since they have been taken with SGW, their Bolters will come fully loaded at begin of play
   2. Shot selectors may not be fitted to bike-mounted Bolters or any mounted weapon..

 

I'll update the Campaign Rules as per when I have a minute.

 

 

Edited November 8 by Trokair

[Machine God]

@Lysimachus - Thank you .

 

 

https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386606-about-posting-and-editing-post/#findComment-6141227

[Lysimachus]

No worries.

 

You may not get any big response in the above thread, but I have raised the issue in the Mod area as something to discuss.

 

It may or may not change, as keeping the site family friendly is very important, but it will be considered. 

 

[Mazer Rackham]

Note I've put ?? for the Horde strength, but they're Mag 20.

 

If you look at how many attacks they make, they get two; 1 x 10 Mag.

 

On that subject, Players please tell me which Hordes they're targeting - if you don't, I'll roll the damage into the same Horde and keep trying to kill you with the others.

 

Cheers.

 

Edited November 8 by Mazer Rackham

[Lysimachus]

24 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Note I've put ?? for the Horde strength, but they're Mag 20.

 

If you look at how many attacks they make, they get two; 1 x 10 Mag.

 

Thanks boss! 

 

I figured they were somewhere in the 20s (didn't imagine Orks would have the Fire Drill Trait... ) but I wasn't sure if that would directly correlate to our bonus to hit them? Will edit Incario's post with a +20

 

[Trokair]

Will edit Kur-Dawa as well, i think that gets him an extra DoS and Hit.

[Machine God]

Edited in the FAB target for Enkush.

 

@Lysimachus - Needs help again.

[grailkeeper]

Forgot to add in my post that I'm targetting the nearest horde in the group of hordes. Rolled a 63 so its a bit academic.