Horus Heresy Siege Assault Force (Plastic Breachers + Cataprachtii)

[01RTB01]

2 hours ago, RedFox said:

New cataphractii are a huge missed opportunity. Waist is too small, torso not thick enough, ridiculously small power fist... I'll stick with tortuga models

 

Do tortuga do arms as well as the torsos/ legs?

[Halandaar]

11 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

Do tortuga do arms as well as the torsos/ legs?

 

Yeah, multiple sets. Lightning Claws, Thunder Hammers & Shields, Combi-Bolters & Power Fists, plus a few legion-specific sets like double axes for World Eaters, scythes for Death Guard, sword/shield for Blood Angels, sword/plasma for Dark Angels, Axes/Bolters for Sons of Horus etc. But they don't do anything in the way of heavy ranged weapons with the single exception of cyclone launchers that were intended to proxy the old Iron Warrior siege tyrant loadout.

Edited Saturday at 05:46 PM by Halandaar

[SvenIronhand]

They look fine to my eyes save the waist and the power fists. Definitely going to get the power weapons variation if I buy any.

[Blissful Brushes]

Depending on what your sculpting game is like they should be pretty easy to bulk up if that’s a concern for you. Personally I prefer the aesthetic of the new ones. They’re 6 heads rather than the previous 5

[01RTB01]

27 minutes ago, Blissful Brushes said:

Depending on what your sculpting game is like they should be pretty easy to bulk up if that’s a concern for you. Personally I prefer the aesthetic of the new ones. They’re 6 heads rather than the previous 5

In fairness, we shouldn't have to.

 

All they needed to do was upscale them and somehow that has gone awry. I thankfully wasn't too fussed for cataphractii but hope they don't mess up the tartaros this way.

[Nephaston]

As far as I can tell the actual waists aren't any slimmer compared to the old ones, it's just the chest tapers in sharper and doesn't touch the leg plates any more. Either way, gimme the snatched waists.

[Matcap86]

I think I might experiment with attaching the hip plates higher up, might change the silhouette to a bit more chonk and they're long enough.

 

Edit: Hah a member of the Cult of Paint discord had the same idea and mocked up a quick photo edit. Might just work.

Edited Saturday at 06:45 PM by Matcap86

[Robbienw]

The new cataphratii look great, not sure what the fuss is about.

[Corswain]

1 hour ago, Matcap86 said:

I think I might experiment with attaching the hip plates higher up, might change the silhouette to a bit more chonk and they're long enough.

 

Edit: Hah a member of the Cult of Paint discord had the same idea and mocked up a quick photo edit. Might just work.

It does look better but it assumes the hip plates are seperate. I don't like the thought of cutting them off to reposition.

[Aarik]

Really don’t like the new Cataphractii, they seem like mediocre third party sculpts. I wish I knew why GW felt they needed to change the design language in the new plastic sculpts. I guess the silver lining is I won’t feel the need to replace my Tortuga termies. 

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

Two different boxes of Cataphractii,and some weapons missing? Not of my taste.

Not bad miniatures,with some good details. Maybe a bit too much slender,less bulky.

But the detail of separated boxes ruins the interest.

 

Breachers are fine,but I have many now. I don't need more.

[Plaguecaster]

Should of been more breachers and less terminators for the box then would of been instant buy

Finally breachers  in plastic they look amazing 

[ShibeKing]

I don't really see Breachers fitting anywhere into my lists, but I will probably buy some just to have them. They look great.

The Cataphractii are also a buy for me. I've been waiting since the AoD box to get new Terminators since I didn't like how the old ones look next to the new Tacticals.

 

 

If the recent Assault Terminator boxset is anything to go by, I will not be able to buy this new box online and none of my LGS will have any stock either. 

Edited Saturday at 08:44 PM by ShibeKing

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

I expected that the Cataphractii will be an insta buy for me, but know I am not so sure. I will need to see more angles. However, the power fists are definetly poor in my opinion. I am also a bit afraid that they are meant to be compatibile with the melee sprue, i.e. lightning claws will be only an attachment to the fists.

[Xirix]

I wonder how difficult it would be to give the Breachers other special weapons, the weapon sets aren't optimal as it would require a lot of hand removal. Are there any one-handed Plasma/Meltaguns/Flamers available in plastic? I kinda miss back in 3rd/4th when there were plenty of those, as you just had a fisted hand and an open hand to put the weapons on.

[01RTB01]

12 minutes ago, Xirix said:

I wonder how difficult it would be to give the Breachers other special weapons, the weapon sets aren't optimal as it would require a lot of hand removal. Are there any one-handed Plasma/Meltaguns/Flamers available in plastic? I kinda miss back in 3rd/4th when there were plenty of those, as you just had a fisted hand and an open hand to put the weapons on.

 

For third IIRC they can only have grav/ lascutters so I'm assuming that's why they're the weapons. As for older editions, I think things like the old sternguard kit had some one handed weapons?

[Mandragola]

I’m also not a big fan of the new cataphracti. I think details like the leather things are less good than before and they do look thin. It’s a bizarre choice to give us six guys with no options when they could have done five with some stuff.  
 

It’s a shame because there are aspects that I do like. There’s a bit of styling that seems like mid-century sci-fi, which is cool. 

[Fire Golem]

BrainGhostStudios on IG has recoloured them as White Scars and I think they look much better. I don’t think the IW scheme is particularly good as a showcase scheme, I thought the same with the Fellblade too. 

[lansalt]

I see myself trying to use the new cataphractii's legs (the only good part of the redesign) with the old torsos and arms to make them taller.

[Matcap86]

Been musing it over (I know, good use of my valuable time...) and I think there's two elements that are bugging me. First is the big lamp/lens next to their head which distorts the silhouette a bit (same thing happened with the Solar aux designs) The second is the effect from the very thick trim on the shoulderpads some of them have. Both of those elements draw the eye upwards making them look very top heavy and other parts maybe smaller.

 

The one on the left in this example I find better looking than the one on the right.

 

 

[Doghouse]

I think they fit well with the modern aesthetic of the Heresy game but feel like they have lost a sense of bulk. They would probably provide nice parts for Primaris conversions. I think it's one of those models that could grow on me over time.

[Marshal Loss]

1 hour ago, Fire Golem said:

 

 

Wish the new sculpts had come with those topknots as default! What a lovely homage to Visions of Heresy that would have been 

[Castellan Wulfrik]

Something I really don't like the more I look at them is the pattern of boltgun used by the breachers; they're just too round, clean and ergonomic for me. Specifically the forearm. I really don't like that kind of design language on my imperial tech, they look especially out of place alongside anachronistic armour like MKIII. I'm not sure I'd add either to one of my armies.

[infyrana]

I think they've gone safe here with the Cata like with the MkIII, they've lost the feel of being bulky / chunky, but at least they regained their waist area - looking to be a skinny marine now.  Wonder if they will keep the cost down as they've split the weapon options.

 

Not sure the box is going to appeal as heavily with that added leviathan - most of us already own one so it's not really saving much if it's not needed in the first place.  I would much rather have had 20 breachers and double the terminators with a good discount than a model I already have lots of.

 

Might be that I wait for the separate Breacher upgrade kits - but I am finally happy they are coming out and look forward to having them take their place in my collection.

 

Anyone have rumour pricing yet please?  I'm worried after seeing the latest price for 5x Death Watch models.

Edited Sunday at 04:25 PM by infyrana

[Xenith]

Swing and a miss for me on the catas, the current ones were pretty perfect and a classic kit, amazing and bulky. They just needed to make them slightly bigger. Agree with Mandragola, why not 5+ options instead of 6. Just a weird choice.