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I thought of doing this thread a few months ago when the Horus Heresy Saga series was announced, but never got around to it. A few days ago, Arbiter Ian put out a video (below) based on the same thoughts that I (and I assume many) originally had: interesting idea, picking 12 of the ~54 books put out in an effort to streamline things for new readers... but maybe not the twelve that I'd have picked.

 

So: what would your twelve be? (No rules - whether you think exposing readers to the best written dozen is the priority, or if those that are the most narratively important should be a focus - it's up to you.)

 

 

As a refresher, Black Library's choices:

  • Horus Rising by Dan Abnett
  • False Gods by Graham McNeill
  • Galaxy in Flames by Ben Counter
  • The Flight of the Eisenstein by James Swallow
  • Fulgrim by Graham McNeill
  • The First Heretic by Aaron Dembski-Bowden
  • Prospero Burns by Dan Abnett
  • Know No Fear by Dan Abnett
  • Betrayer by Aaron Dembski-Bowden
  • Praetorian of Dorn by John French
  • The Master of Mankind by Aaron Dembski-Bowden
  • Slaves to Darkness by John French

 

By way of example, Arbiter Ian (and I'll leave those who want to hear his full reasoning to watch his video) decides to flip Prospero Burns for A Thousand Sons, and drops Betrayer (reluctantly), Praetorian of Dorn, and Slaves to Darkness (readily). He then replaces the latter three with Shadows of Treachery, Vengeful Spirit, and Titandeath.

 

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At the time they were announced, when I was thinking about which novels I'd present, I did basically the same thing - starting by dropping the couple I didn't think ~really needed to be there, putting in the one that I was shocked by its absence (Vengeful Spirit), and then filling in things as best as I could. Arbiter Ian is much hotter on Betrayer and The Master of Mankind than I am, and seems to not be as into John French's work. But one thing I started to notice was that my list began to form into four trilogies.

 

  • Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames

 

The first grouping of books - designed as a trilogy, and the three that (at minimum) everyone reads anyway. I don't think you can reasonably construct a list of 12 and not include them. Arbiter Ian (reluctantly) keeps The Flight of the Eisenstein, but I'm jettisoning it. A lot of repetition of the previous book(s), and if I'm being honest... this book just heavily disappointed me when I read it. (I had always imagined there being a really good "Hunt for Red October" kind of story to tell in the Flight of the Eisenstein, so the actual "flight" being so brief was a let down.) I also remember thinking it weird with Dorn and the Imperial Fists departing from Horus at the beginning of Horus Rising and then (~four years later?) we find that they still hadn't arrived at Terra. I know Warp Travel and communication is unreliable, but it read strangely for me.

 

  • The First Heretic, Know No Fear, Betrayer

 

My second grouping sees my second casualty: Fulgrim. As an Emperor's Children fan it hurts to leave it out (and if I left it in then maybe as an also-Iron-Warriors-fan I could squeeze in Angel Exterminatus) but my broad view of Fulgrim is that The First Heretic does the same things narratively, and much, much better. From there, Know No Fear is just a really good book, follows naturally from The First Heretic, and I couldn't consider dropping it. Betrayer... I like a lot less than most (particularly the first half), but like I said: as I was thinking about this I started to form trilogies and Betrayer is a perfect capstone for the other two. (It also has at least one iconic Erebus moment, helping to continue his villainy from the first three books, and offering a thread of connection.) I imagine that so far I'm not being too controversial...

 

  • A Thousand Sons, Scars, The Path of Heaven

 

This all stems from one pull: while many people consider The Master of Mankind to be one of the best in the series, I thought it was mostly tremendously boring. It contains a lot of great characters, really interesting moments, and individual scenes, but... the "War in the Webway" itself as a story was (IMO) incredibly dull. (The scene "unstoppable murder-daemon/Custodes are unstoppable, until overwhelmed and forced to retreat" plays out at least half a dozen times.) On the other hand, I love The Path of Heaven and think it's much better as a reveal of what the Emperor's goals were (with regards to him leaving the completion of the Great Crusade in Horus' hands). However, that then feels like it wants the inclusion of Scars (which I also love, but which isn't really a "key book" narratively) and promotes the flipping of Prospero Burns to A Thousand Sons (which I probably would have done anyway). 

 

  • Vengeful Spirit, Wolfsbane, Slaves to Darkness

 

I like Slaves to Darkness (mostly), even while accepting that it's more of a romp than any "deep work" and so maybe a lighter end to things than desired. Vengeful Spirit (as mentioned) is the main book that I was surprised wasn't included in the actual Horus Heresy Saga's twelve. I then went back and forth over the middle pick, between Praetorian of Dorn and Wolfsbane. The latter is a little more Horus-focussed (a little) and so I had been leaning towards it, but... as I write this I find myself sticking with Praetorian of Dorn. I have flipped back to Wolfsbane while editing (before posting). A Thousand Sons and Scars both include bits of Russ that might then go nicely with his prominence in Wolfsbane, as well as it directly following up on some things from Vengeful Spirit and playing directly into the events of Slaves to Darkness (though that book also includes reference to Praetorian of Dorn). Yeah... I guess... I mean... maybe... 

 

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So there are my twelve. I also considered pulling out the A Thousand Sons, Scars, The Path of Heaven "trilogy" and substituting it with The Unremembered Empire, Pharos, Ruinstorm. If twelve were extended to fifteen... 

 

But what would be your twelve books to include in a Horus Heresy Saga?

Edited by LSM

It seems to me the goal is to make a loose narrative that sets up the Siege of Terra (people on Reddit certainly like to ask for this instead of using the search function.) As such, I'll take a crack at it from that lens. To be clear, these are not what I'd consider my personal dozen essential Heresy reads, I'm not basing this list on quality. It's just what I think best fits the above purpose.

  1. Horus Rising - Intended to be an introduction, obviously works well for this purpose.
  2. False Gods - Horus' fall, the Heresy "begins"
  3. Flight of the Eisenstein - Isstvan III. Skipping Galaxy in Flames means we don't need to explain resurrecting Loken
  4. Fulgrim - Dropsite Massacre, very public primarch death, a more straightforward account than The First Heretic
  5. A Thousand Sons - A more straightforward account than Prospero Burns
  6. Scars - Establishes Jaghatai, deals with the fallout of Prospero
  7. Legion - Establishes John Grammaticus and why the Alpha Legion are the way they are
  8. Know no Fear - Establishes Ollanius
  9. Fear to Tread - Introduces Sanguinius and his relationship with Horus. Erebus is kicked to the curb
  10. Master of Mankind - Establishes where the Emperor was during all this. Establishes Terra as a setting
  11. Vengeful Spirit - Following up with the "core" cast, major development for Horus and Loken
  12. Wolfsbane - Paying off Vengeful Spirit. Establishing Horus' doubts during the Siege

I guess, having made this, I'd call 12 fairly insufficient for this purpose, I would have preferred 15.

(For the record, my personal 12 essential reads are: Horus Rising, Legion, Prospero Burns, Know no Fear, The First Heretic, Betrayer, Master of Mankind, Shadows of Treachery, Scars, The Path of Heaven, Praetorian of Dorn, Slaves to Darkness.)

Edited by Roomsky
12 minutes ago, LSM said:

Ooooooh, leaving out Galaxy in Flames. Spicy - I love it.

I will slander Galaxy in Flames at every opportunity. Having a set limit on how many books to list just makes it easier to sell!

I don't like this whole "new people don't have to read all 50 something books"

If I had to do it so do they

 

Regardless, as a note, I didn't base this around Loken's/Horus story, but just a broader view of the Heresy before moving into the Siege

 

1) Horus Rising- Self Explanatory 

 

2) False Gods- Again, self explanatory.

 

3) Dropsite Massacre- I'd switch this out for Galaxy in Flames. If people want to circle back around for Tarvitz's/Loken's story then they can do that outside of my 12. Biggest loss here is Huron-Fal (for the cool factor), but I think Dropsite Massacre does a better job at the initial phase of the Heresy, as well as giving better characterization for some of the big names later on (Khârn, Angron, etc).  You could argue that Loken is important because of The End and the Death, but realistically you can get away without Galaxy in Flames because he doesn't actually stay dead, so if you put Galaxy in Flames here, and then skip Garro's stuff, when he pops back up in the Siege then it raises more questions than it helps. It's not perfect, but if we are talking overall Heresy then I just think you get more from Dropsite Massacre

 

4) A Thousand Sons- The Thousand Sons have arguably more impact later on in the Heresy than the Space Wolves, so that's why I chose this over Prospero Burns, as well as giving the legion as a whole a setup for their transformation into the 40k side. Also it's good. 

 

5) Scars- Again really solid choice, gives you a followup to A Thousand Sons, as well as setting up the White Scars for the rest of the Heresy/Siege. Not a super necessary book in the grand scheme of things, but I think it's good enough to warrant a spot

 

6) Legion- I chose this begrudgingly. I didn't really care for Legion, but it introduces the Perpetuals that apparently are important (even though I hate how important they are)

 

7) Know No Fear- Sets up the Ultramarines, lays the groundwork for Betrayer,  etc. Also furthers the Perpetual stuff. 

 

8) Betrayer- Covers the Shadow Crusade, Word Bearers, and World Eaters. Shows that Lorgar sucks. Angron's transformation and the World Eater's further Khorning. 

 

9) Fear to Tread- Not my favorite, but establishes the Blood Angels. 

 

10) Master of Mankind- Sets up the Emperor being on the throne. The rest of the book is largely inconsequential, but if the new reader has no knowledge of what's going on with the Emperor this is kind of necessary. 

 

11) Wolfsbane- Honestly if I didn't include Slaves to Darkness next, I would've left this off the list. But if you don't read Wolfsbane (or have a general understanding of what happened) then you'll have no idea what the deal is with Horus+friends in Slaves to Darkness. 

 

12) Slaves to Darkness- Gets the Chaos band back together for a check-in prior to the Siege, sets up Horus for the Siege, answers the questions of why Alpharius/Lorgar do not attend. Also sets the framework for the splintering of the Traitor forces. Also because I skipped Fulgrim it gives something to him as well. 

 

 

The one I wish I had an extra spot for is Ruinstorm as it puts a pin in the Dark Angels and Ultramarines so you're not wondering where they are once you get to the Siege, as well as getting the Blood Angels to Terra and builds on Sangiunius' vision. I don't think it's absolutely necessary because of Wolfsbane, but helps flesh things out a little more. Vengeful Spirit would also make the list because of Horus' Chaosification, but I think Wolfsbane gives you enough of an idea that it covers it. Flight of the Eisenstein could also be an include, but given that I didn't include the rest of Garro's stuff, I chose not to include it here. Dropsite Massacre cover's Terra's reaction to Horus's betrayal well enough that Flight is skippable. Combine that with Garro not really having meaningful payoff (I'm still mad at how that was handled by Black Library) and the fact that he gets upstaged by Loken halfway through his own arc, I chose not to include it. 

Edited by darkhorse0607

While the HH definitely has some unnecessary bloat, I think it is a real struggle to get it down to 12 books. With less than half the series, you are missing out on crucial story beats if you do.

Here's a Fun and Interesting exercise for my fellow fraters (and another leg in the endless campaign for total McNeill supremacy). 

 

Forget Rising exists. Banish it from your mind. What does this book actually accomplish in the context of the series? Look at it from the perspective of an author as well: what does Rising do as a 'first chapter'? It's worldbuilding. It's fluff. It shows us an Imperium we never see again with characters who never show hints of their previous 'high'. It gives us Horus fumbling around trying to decipher an alien beacon, failing, then visiting those aliens and failing to make peace. Horus doesn't really do anything. We're told he's great and smart and clever and Warmaster and everyone loves him, but what we see is a guy who is not only out of his depth but is all but treading water. It's a struggle session. Let's kill it. It's gone.

 

Now imagine the Heresy begins with False Gods instead.

 

What Gods does well, without question, is gloom. Imagine we start with the mighty Warmaster... nowhere to be found. He's brooding in his cabin over his recent failures. Rather than delegating or administering the Crusade, he's ditched his duties as Warmaster to go back to a literal mudball nowhere to chastise a civilian administrator. Horus is angry, resentful, reactive, struggling to deal with the responsibility that's been thrust on him. He has a cadre of dedicated support, a whole council of personal advisors (and near-friends) that he's deliberately ignoring in favour of Erebus, who is clearly playing on his insecurities. We are presented a flawed man, a man who was the 'best choice', and we are presented a clear fracture between the 'glory' of the Crusade in propaganda and the 'reality' of it - a big ol' retribution fleet descending on some :cuss:ty meaningless world because they've bruised a demigod's ego. Stupidity. Waste. Pride. A veneer of humanity over the Space Marines who drop it as soon as their dad is injured, and a dad who never should have been injured in the first place. Mortality, because that's what it's all about.

 

Horus, dying, narrating his small-minded, petty regrets. His vision of an Imperium that has forgotten him, a father who doesn't recognise him, a general who pushed too far and fell from grace and favour. A man who would rather burn the galaxy than see it prosper without him. And there, just in time, just after the supernatural wounding, just after the supernatural manipulations, are allies ready to step in and help out. Who can fix the unhealing wound, who will support the general's claim to the throne, and who ask nothing - nothing! - for themselves, really, since it's not their country.

 

Then we end the first chapter on the fevered, bright-eyed Horus. Purging his ranks. No entertaining of peace. The wheels in motion. The Warmaster and nothing else. A monster of the Imperium's own making. 

On 2/3/2026 at 10:57 AM, Karhedron said:

Galaxy in Flames is a poor ending to the initial trilogy but it is an ending. Skipping over Istvaan III leaves a huge narrative hole.


But if we keep Flight of the Eisenstein we don't skip Isstvan III at all. Loken's fate becomes a question mark instead of a death that feels like a retcon when it's undone. If we're compressing the Heresy into 12 books, we don't have time to kill and resurrect the man. Plus, the characterization in Vengeful Spirit carries on far more organically from False Gods than it does Galaxy in Flames. Galaxy in Flames frankly does a ton of stuff that needs to be walked back as the series goes on.

I think @wecanhaveallthree makes a solid case for omitting Horus Rising from the lists, and if I were to go back I'd probably remove it and replace it with Vengeful Spirit on my list. Granted, my opinion has dipped on Rising over time the more I've gone back and re-read it, but while I do think it has a purpose narratively (world building, giving a sense of normalcy before the Heresy, etc), I don't think it's that essential for the overall arc of the Heresy. By removing it, you also take the pressure off including  Galaxy in Flames as @Roomskywas saying

 

Unless you are placing more of an emphasis on Loken than I am, which is fair, but not where I am camped.

 

Down with Horus Rising I say

Edited by darkhorse0607
for grammar. I swear I look at it before I post
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slowly the voices against Horus Rising begin to make themselves heard

 

It's a Horus Heresy Horus Heresy!

 

As much as I'm loath to say it, junking Rising and Galaxy gives us room for the excellent Dropsite Massacre, which I think follows a) captures the pivotal 'opening salvo' of the Heresy extremely effectively and b) carries forward the active interpretation of Horus as the 'dark hero' in his charisma, leadership, values, etc. False Gods shows us a Warmaster and a Crusade at their nadir: the demands of it have crushed Horus, the brutal tithe regime is crushing compliant worlds. Our first impression of Horus, if we junk Rising, is a man beyond his time - a great general in a nation of tithes and taxes. The 'honourable' brutality of the Crusade has given way to the 'civilised' brutality of mass poverty and oppression. He's bitter and angry and hurt. And at the end, he finds a reason to fight for what's 'right'.

 

Coming into Massacre, then, we see Horus really getting back in the saddle: we see him recapturing his glory, his command, the way to bring the disparate interests and unpleasant personalities of the worst of his brothers together. I'll point out Roomsky's list for one theme in particular: it collates the story of Horus. If we must condense the series down, not into 'must reads' but 'narrative effectivness', I think we must use the arc of Horus through the series as the central connection. It is his Heresy, after all, and his fall, and rise, and fall again to the 'well intentiond man crying as he literally drags his siblings and father to nail them to the evil thrones he's picked out for them' is extremely satisfying, to my mind.

 

Horus is the Imperium's reckoning. He is the 'end of the dream' - and a perfect vehicle to show how that dream was, truly, a nightmare to begin with. 

  • 2 weeks later...

12 books is too little for 18 legions, so hear me out: This is the Horus Heresy, so we're gonna ignore most of the factions and focus on the Warmaster and his sons on his long march to terra.

 

In order to move back and forth from loyalist to traitor POV's, we are keeping Loken (he's tied to a lot of SoH characters like Aximand), as well as a bit of Garro/Mortarion.

 

1 - Horus Rising

2 - False Gods

3 - Galaxy in Flames

4 - Flight of the Eisenstein

 

The Great Crusade and Early Heresy. I include Horus Rising because the Heresy is the story of a fall from grace. I include Flight of the Eisenstein to explore Chaos more, reach the loyalists POVs via Garro, which will allow us to show Terra's reaction, retrieve Loken (and other characters like Keeler, Grulgor and Qruze), and move back to traitor POV's at some point.

 

With word of the betrayal, we move to Lupercal's war:

 

5 - Dropsite Massacre

6 - Know no Fear (needed to understand scale and why not everyone is on the long march)

7 -  Garro: Weapon of Fate (necessary for this build to work)

8 - Master of Mankind (needed to understand the Siege, and the Emperor's lost dream)

9 - Vengeful Spirit

10 - Wolfsbane

11 - Slaves to Darkness

12 - The Buried Dagger

 

Hot take, but what do you think?

Edited by The Scorpion

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