raven guard 1369 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 So it looks pretty cool IMO but it begs the question, has GW relinquished all codex and fluff writing to Matt ward because the general public is gonna blame him anyways? While I enjoy new units and the model looks cool this one seems kinda out there considering Grey Knight terminators are supposed to be your greater demon killers as far as I know. And the option to use it as heavy support is nice because I heard GK needed better heavies but why not just give them the option to use normal marine heavy weapons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingo Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I heard GK needed better heavies but why not just give them the option to use normal marine heavy weapons? Because that would be unimaginative and dull. All units were new once. In 10 years, the Dreadknight will probably be pretty unremarkable compared to the latest new unit 'butchering the fluff'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I heard GK needed better heavies but why not just give them the option to use normal marine heavy weapons? Because that would be unimaginative and dull. All units were new once. In 10 years, the Dreadknight will probably be pretty unremarkable compared to the latest new unit 'butchering the fluff'. I bet they haven't added the FW Razorback (psycannon) or the FW redeemer... WHY!??!?! WHY!?!?! they rock :D But as pingo says... they like to make the armies a bit different... otherwise it is a bit hard tojustify 18 different marine codices which all share the same units :() Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertsjf Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 The Dreadknight made me think of this: http://unaccomplishedangler.com/wordpress/...0/10/MiniMe.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 So it looks pretty cool IMO but it begs the question, has GW relinquished all codex and fluff writing to Matt ward because the general public is gonna blame him anyways? While I enjoy new units and the model looks cool this one seems kinda out there considering Grey Knight terminators are supposed to be your greater demon killers as far as I know. And the option to use it as heavy support is nice because I heard GK needed better heavies but why not just give them the option to use normal marine heavy weapons? If I'm entirely honest I never thought Grey Knights should ever have had their own Codex book. In my not so humble opinion GW missed an opportunity to create an Army of the Imperium list like 2nd edition had, with Grey Knights being part of it. Oh well it can't be helped now. Personally I don't like the Dreadknight as a concept in an army which has Dreadnoughts. It just seems to contradict their role in the back ground. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 The Dreadknight made me think of this: http://unaccomplishedangler.com/wordpress/...0/10/MiniMe.jpg If only I could rep. Kudos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 If I'm entirely honest I never thought Grey Knights should ever have had their own Codex book. In my not so humble opinion GW missed an opportunity to create an Army of the Imperium list like 2nd edition had, with Grey Knights being part of it. Agreed, but I think this was a function of economics more than anything else. Games Workshop operates as a business, and dangly things like Allies of the Imperium models just don't have a place in that. Given the way both works essentially vandalized things of quality, I've got to say, the Grey Knights Codex couldn't have picked a more appropriate movie to rip off than Matrix: Revolutions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 There are no new ideas, just new combinations. So meh. In any case, I think the Dreadknight works. Its something new and interesting. I wonder, will the GK stormraven be able to carry one? But I agree with Hellios, it would have been nice to see the FW models included in the codex. With a price hike for the GK Inferno Cannon- ignore cover, AP 3, and invulnerable saves! I do find it interesting though that I cant seem to find the Hammer they show it with on the sprues- just the sword. Conversion from the new TDA set? I dunno. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreon Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 If I'm entirely honest I never thought Grey Knights should ever have had their own Codex book. In my not so humble opinion GW missed an opportunity to create an Army of the Imperium list like 2nd edition had, with Grey Knights being part of it. Agreed, but I think this was a function of economics more than anything else. Games Workshop operates as a business, and dangly things like Allies of the Imperium models just don't have a place in that. Given the way both works essentially vandalized things of quality, I've got to say, the Grey Knights Codex couldn't have picked a more appropriate movie to rip off than Matrix: Revolutions. Seriously. I think it looks kinda stupid. On another note, this makes me mad since they keep bringing out new kits and still haven't properly supported the Space Wolves. Where are our Thunderwolves?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Of coursea Storm Raven cannot carry a Dreadknight! A simple comparison of sizes between a Dreadnought and a Dreadknight will show that the DK is bigger. The only bad thing is the fact that GW have finally made the Dreadknight. Its size is the size that the Dreadnought always should have been made to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 There are no new ideas, just new combinations. So meh. Well, there's inspiration, and there's outright theft, and I think the Dreadknight walks that line very carefully, if nothing else. There's parts on the DK that are picture-perfect replicas of their Zion-ian cousins. Though, as a point, I do think it's a great model, regardless of my distaste for its concept. When I'm not fiddling about with Power Armored man, I've got an Ork army, and it is delighted at the prospect of looting some of those bits. I do find it interesting though that I cant seem to find the Hammer they show it with on the sprues- just the sword. Conversion from the new TDA set? I dunno. I think there's a sprue we're not seeing - besides the fact that product shots generally only show parts available in the kit, the Dreadknight hammer is as big as that Terminator strapped into the machine, so I doubt it'd come from anywhere else. Notably, there's also no empty fist for the configurations where the DK is armed with a wrist-mounted weapon. We'll all know soon enough, I suppose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 i think the DK is too cheap to be honest 130 points for a MC with S/T 7 and a 2+/4++ save is a real bargain. i guarantee we will see lists with 3 of these bad boys being commonplace Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 i think the DK is too cheap to be honest 130 points for a MC with S/T 7 and a 2+/4++ save is a real bargain.i guarantee we will see lists with 3 of these bad boys being commonplace Compares dreadknight to Tyranid monsterous creatures in heavy support section... you might be right... that or nids are far too expensive! Although on a side note watching a game on vassal and Dreadknights had their faces kicked in by 1ksons XD go force weapons and warp time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 I want one...but I want to put a sentinel cockpit on it in stead of that terminator on it. Would be a good team up with my old Grand Master Artanis (now a forge world dreadnought) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantonWC Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 It's probably been said before, but this dreadknight thing reminds me of the power loader. "Get away from her, YOU ^_^!" Someone should photoshop Ripley's head into the cockpit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven guard 1369 Posted March 10, 2011 Author Share Posted March 10, 2011 Where does it say its 130 Points? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 The test-codex they leaked onto the web, wich is looking pretty accurate right about now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 So put me in the column for "Wild idea" and "Cool looking model". ...and if you guys are wondering why this might be necessary, at least from an Apocalypse perspective (which we play a lot of), let me just say two words: An'graath and Scabiethrax Now GK's can say, "bring it Slimo!" :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Compares dreadknight to Tyranid monsterous creatures in heavy support section... you might be right... that or nids are far too expensive! Although on a side note watching a game on vassal and Dreadknights had their faces kicked in by 1ksons XD go force weapons and warp time. i did a quick comparison to a daemon prince, one of the best units in the game and certainly in the chaos dex and it beats them hands down on paper, and is cheaper than the average build too.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 it costs 130 naked. still it costs less then fex . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowsaman Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 well i'm liking the model but i'll have to wait and see how it does in batlle. The standerd pose could have been a more dramatic in my eye's.. but hey who does not like a little bit of conversion :lol: well indeed the model looks ripped out of matrix revolution maybe some avatar also hé :) GW is not really know for there bigg originality of models. i cant wait to geth my grey knight army from under the dust. Been waiting a long time for this new codex. hopefully it will be better then the last one. Where in my opinion grey knights kinda sucked against non deamon army's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 at the time of becoming legal GK sucked against armies with demons too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghosty Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 it costs 130 naked. still it costs less then fex . and it's cheapest upgrade is 30 and most expensive at 75 points, so you'll be wracking up points on the dreadknights tooling them out for whatever job you want them doing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mughi3 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 From the little GW write up it seams like they have some sorrt of sacred incence that reduces the initiative of demons to like 1 or something. Yeah the new GK mosterous creature, now best in the game. stare unto the shiny newness! :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2683990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
enterusername Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 The standerd pose could have been a more dramatic in my eye's.. but hey who does not like a little bit of conversion <_< While I have no intention of starting with GK's, this kit has some great potential for other conversions. Old school Epic fans will see what I mean.. http://i89.servimg.com/u/f89/12/99/98/55/photo_31.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224377-nemesis-dreadknight/#findComment-2684213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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