Heru2012 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Hey guys, I'm thinking about starting a new marine army and I quite fancied doing a Knights of Gryphonne army. I've done a rough tester marine to try out the colour scheme and also try out the battle damage technique (be gentle its my first time). I know its not completely done, some of the detailing has been left out, like purity seals etc, but apart from that, just want any critique and help with regards to refinement. Oh, and I'd probably get transfers for the chapter symbols....not even gonna go near freehanding that badboy again. Added the lexicanum pic for reference. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/a/ad/KnightsOfGryphonne.jpg/200px-KnightsOfGryphonne.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/Gryphonne.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/Gryphonne2.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/Gryphonne3.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/Gryphonne4.jpg Looking forwards to hearing from you guys! Edit: Oh, pictures suck because I have to use my phone..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserTJ1860 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 I love it. Im a fan of a more muted (or as GW employees call them, "realistic") colour schemes and this strikes the right balance between that, whilst still also being visually enticing. The only thing I would change would be the eyes perhaps. Something brighter, maybe a turquoise to really bring them out, and act as a contrast to the much darker helmet and jump pack. Just my $0.02 Best, TJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny sam Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 those free hand scratch are nice! the number on the knee is a litlle week compare to the rest. I think th scheme is good, although I would change the dark green weaponry to something more flashy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 Heh, cheers man, I prefer "realism" aswell. As for the turquoise eyes, this is the first mini I've painted in over a year and a half, so I'm down to using my stuff thats not dried out....I was planning on turquoise for the eyes but only my blue was good :tu: . Any thoughts on if the damage came out ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserTJ1860 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Damage report - no complaints from me. One thing you could do, for scratches as big as the ones on the shoulder pad could be to physically make them on the plastic, would give you a guide to paint, or you could just let the wash do the work for you. With the smaller ones it might be less effective but if its that big, wouldnt it be better to really make the gash rather than just imitate it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 @KaiserTJ1860: I don't know, I kind of dislike real gouges from the plastic, or at least mixing them with freehand scratches. I think its more a case of making smaller scratches to make them fit. Thanks for the critique though. @tiny sam: Yeah the numbers weak, as I said, bit of a rough job to get the general scheme down, I think a matt varnish would make things a bit better. Apart from that, I do think the green is a little muted, I may change eyes, weapons and strap to turqouise, though from painting orange, I've learnt that it's quite difficult to find a colour that fits thats nice and realistic, fits and doesn't make them look like a clown.... Just worried if I jazz it up too much it goes a little too clown vomit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Yellow Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Haven't seen these guys done before, I like the background to the chapter too. Nice first model, want to see a squad soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 Cheers man, hope to do more soon! Oh, anyone know how I can do my own transfer sheets? Like what I'd need paper wise or companies that do it etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserTJ1860 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Hehe, theres a few topics on this issue, I've started one too: Custom Decals If its just black you want, you can get away with clear decal paper of which there are various options. Colour on colour backgrounds requires white decal paper which you'd need to cut around the transfer or paint over the white parts thers more info here: Ye Olde Decal Project Best, TJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 Hehe, theres a few topics on this issue, I've started one too:Custom Decals If its just black you want, you can get away with clear decal paper of which there are various options. Colour on colour backgrounds requires white decal paper which you'd need to cut around the transfer or paint over the white parts thers more info here: Ye Olde Decal Project Best, TJ You my good sir, are a legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserTJ1860 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Im just a fellow shoulder-pad-less brother looking for a way to give my marines the recognistion they deserve. Im also toying with making a raised shoulder pad out of GS and moulding it and ive found a couple ways to do that, although I imagine I'd only use them for Vets/HQ/Sgts. Would only require on session of fiddly GS sculpting and then you can make perfect copies and perfectly placed at that time and time again. Just comes down to GS skills of which I am yet to test myself at... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted November 24, 2011 Author Share Posted November 24, 2011 Same, though I did find a good deal on inkjet water transfer decal paper on ebay, £8.99 for 20 sheets of A4 with free postage! Bargain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 Just a little update, So far after a several tea filled hours I've nearly got the majority of my first combat squads body colours done. Just need to buy some basing mats and a few paints for detail/weapon work. I've tried to thin down my pain a little more and used a little Windsor and Newton flow improver, which is actually quite cool. Also attempted to scale down the battle damage and make them more crisp. I received my transfer paper from ebay today so I'll let you know how that goes when I've got my micro sol and micro set. Anyways heres some pics, mainly of the sergeant rocking an old school power fist, as he's the most finished. I'm debating giving him a back banner. I think it'll look cool in a contrasting colour, what do you think? http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/IMG_20111129_101632.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/IMG_20111129_101644.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/IMG_20111129_101652.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/IMG_20111129_101705.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/IMG_20111129_102024.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/IMG_20111129_102053.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Looking good nice to see yellow marines that are not imp fist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 Argh I hope not! They're supposed to be orange! :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 It may just be the pictures' lighting, but they do register to my eye as a deep yellow. Your test model was not as brightly lit, and it registers as pale orange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserTJ1860 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I dont think its just you Rhino, They look a lil yellow to me too. Also I think the highlighting is a bit to heavy and blocky. Im no expert myself, just saying what I see. Im looking mainly at the legs, top half looks awesome shading/highlighting wise to me TJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan the Lurker Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Argh I hope not! They're supposed to be orange! ;) They do a look a bit yellow/very pale orange. Your light set up may be part of the issue. Check out the Cult of Orange link in my sig if you want to find some orange recipes that may help you modify yours a bit if you feel it is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 My apologies, i'm taking pics on m phone so trying to get consistency on it is crap, I will post a pic of original assault marine and the tac sergeant when I can together, then you can see the colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 Finally finished (minus decals) my sergeant, I added the assault marine in for colour reference. This is a real project for me, I'm in no rush to game, I just want a nice looking army. It's kind of an experiment for me to try out different colours, techniques, materials etc. I normally just do flat bases with grass and dirt, but on my sergeant I found some lavender style undergrowth in a model shop, and I thought this would be alien enough and also give a nice contrast to the orange. I tried a bit of OSL, but I'm not entirely happy with it, but for a first attempt it'll do. As for my recipe for orange: Macharius Solar Orange Gryphon Sepia/Badab Black Wash 1:3 Macharius Solar Orange/Vomit Brown 3:1 Highlight Macharius Solar Orange/Vomit Brown 1:1 Highlight Vomit Brown Edge Highlight Final very edge highlight of golden yellow, which I may have gone a bit heavy on some of them according to feedback, so I'll try reel it in for the next batch! Bad light. http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/IMG_20111129_175252.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/IMG_20111129_175310.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/IMG_20111129_175336.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/IMG_20111129_175354.jpg Oh, and I found this earlier, well 3 of them, I may use them for some pre heresy stuff at some point! http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/sprue.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserTJ1860 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Just saw this on my latest trawl through the web, could be just what you are looking for. I know you found those sheets but if they dont work, these should ... Gryphons Decals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 Cheers mate, I love those transfers, may have to try them out, this paper I bought is looking a little thick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 Yay! I have finally finished a combat squad, I'm taking my time over these guys, putting a litle more effort into them than most of my previous armies. I've added a back banned to the sergeant, not that I find them practical, but I think it just adds to the badassery of a guy that can fight with a sail on his backpack. Although it limits his movement through urban areas, I prefer to think marines are sensible enough to leave them at home in a city fight. The flamers pinned so I can change it for either that, the melta or the plasma. http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/serggood.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/IMG_20111203_085420.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/flamer.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/1gr.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/tacsq1.jpg I've also converted the next thing I want to work on, my Chaplain, nice and simple but I like it! http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/chapcon1.jpg http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae53/Lotan_2009/chapcon2.jpg Hope you enjoy! Hopefully more coming soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Cool chappy. Where's the jump pack from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru2012 Posted December 4, 2011 Author Share Posted December 4, 2011 Cool chappy. Where's the jump pack from? It's actually an old GW metal jump pack, old school like pre new design. I found a load of them in my boxes when I moved house so I thought it would be cool to give the chaplain pre-heresy relics etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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