brother_contagion Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Is this going to be like a dataslate? Some new rules to take an Aspiring Champion as an HQ choice or more upgrades? Or is this just going to be current rules for an Aspiring Champion in the updated Dark Vengeance box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 So fare there is zero info what would the dataslate contain though I think he will be like a mini hero, hopefully with some rules to balance the two sides but more than that I do not think we will get. It is a wasted opportunity for I think the Aspiring Champion is good as a standalone model, GW could do a new sculpt with the DV aesthetics, alas it was not the case, so they simply recycled a 2 years old model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strazhakov Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 But the Champ is sculpted with DV aesthetics in mind. His armour looks very much like the CS Chosen. I heard its just some background, no new rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 What's all this now? Is this a rumor or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 The last WD mentioned that Dark Vengeance will now have also the Aspiring Champion which will come with his own datasheet. Now I hope that they will make something out of this and add some more flavour to the DV Chaos. As for the sculpt, I know it is based upon the aesthetics of the DV set but why recycle an old model, why not include one new I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Marketing and costs probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I see. Well maybe because DV and the champion himself, neither are very old? Why not recycle that one since its still pretty new, compared to many many old models that need new sculpts far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachymike123 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I'd like to see something like this out of the DV set tbh. It reminds me of the HQ choices from Codex:Eye of Terror in the LatD list which i thought added an extra dimension imho. Almost like a character as he starts on his career sort of arc. I hope i'm making sense with that. I'd even be happy if they made them like WG pack leaders (i'm thinking of when you brought them as characters ala 3rd ed SW dex, not sure how it works now). Guess we'll just see what happens with the DV reboot. I might get my hopes up but i'm a chaos player so they'll most likely be dashed :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 I'd like to see something like this out of the DV set tbh. It reminds me of the HQ choices from Codex:Eye of Terror in the LatD list which i thought added an extra dimension imho. Almost like a character as he starts on his career sort of arc. I hope i'm making sense with that. I'd even be happy if they made them like WG pack leaders (i'm thinking of when you brought them as characters ala 3rd ed SW dex, not sure how it works now). Guess we'll just see what happens with the DV reboot. I might get my hopes up but i'm a chaos player so they'll most likely be dashed I could see this happening, which would be awesome. Give them access to some of the Special Issue Wargear and/or Chaos Rewards. Let them get a Combat Familiar or Aura of Dark Glory, Terminator Armor/Bike/Jump Pack to be joined to Terminator, Bike, and Raptor Squads, and of course Marine Squads and maybe even Cultist Squads. Let him bring a new ability to confer to a unit he's joined with, or at least another character to add an extra punch to our squads with a few more upgrades. It makes me tempted to buy the new Dark Vengeance again, it wouldn't neccesarily be a bad thing (I could convert the Dark Angels like I did when I bought the older box set). But if anyone gets the new box, please post about it in here! What's all this now? Is this a rumor or? No, GW says so in the discription: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Vengeance-EN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Btw - might be a unique datasheet as I don't think you can configure the Aspiring Champion as he is modeled, while keeping to the regular Codex as he has 3 weapons - a Combi-Weapon (on his back), an Axe and a Dagger. That's 2 CC weapons and a Ranged weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 My guess is that it's just something to let you use a second aspiring champ with the DV stuff. After all, the DV chosen already have a champion, and there aren't enough of them to split them into two squads. So my guess is that it'll be an IC aspiring champ with the exact same rules and options and stats as usual for a champ, sitting in an HQ slot. Sadly, that would make it nigh useless in actual games. On the other hand, if they made it like, a 3 per elite slot deal that might have some merit to stick in cultist squads for improved leadership, or to battle brother into various renegades & heretics squads should FW ever update that thing. I'm not expecting much at the moment. Doesn't seem worth getting worked up over yet. As for equipment, nearly all CSM aspiring champs, including both chosen and regular CSM squad champs, come with bolter, bolt pistol, & CCwep. The set up's legal (replace ccwep with power axe, and bolter with combi melta), though the knife is technically just decorative - his second attack actually comes from the bolt pistol holstered on his thigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 It's likely just stats so you can use the champion with the quick start rules in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 It's likely just stats so you can use the champion with the quick start rules in the box. Yeah, that's what I was thinking, especially since they used the term "datasheet" instead of "dataslate" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Or it could be like the old lieutenants, or like the old chosen of Ahriman (whatever they were called forget their actual name) from that old WD. Hope for the best plan for the normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I would kill to take Aspiring Champs in a 1-3 elites slot, enabling USR to be given to squads from the CSM book, and choosing from special weapons. Hatred on a cultist blob, infiltrate for a chosen squad, etc. Thinking of which, ill be visiting Tenebris' Choas Codex rebuild thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 You know, I see it as an LT now. Cheaper hqs for combined arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Thinking of which, ill be visiting Tenebris' Choas Codex rebuild thread. Hehe but the Chaos Revisited is a topic by maverike_prime. All due credit to him, an awesome topic. While A Better 40k Chaos Codex Design is by Black Cohort, a good read indeed. On my part I would love a type of "Wolf Guard" style HQ with the 1-3 option in order to create several mini champions who could first and foremost boost the discipline across the board and second allow me to play and roleplay the host of characters I would love to see in my warband. I always have the feeling that CSM should be the "character" army, with lots and lots of individual heroes who vie for glory and power in the name of the Dark Gods, we could really use some backstabbing megalomaniacs and egotists in our ranks. Hell even a "Lone Wolf" type unit would be much welcome, now that could be our challenge powerhouse. Alas I think that the Aspiring Champion will be simply a standard sergeant profile with perhaps a USR to spice him up. Even a cheap source of Fearless could do some wonders for our book and as I recall we can take as many formations and datasheets we want, so I hope it could be spammable for some fun with a "lieutenant" class unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Or it could be like the old lieutenants, or like the old chosen of Ahriman (whatever they were called forget their actual name) from that old WD. Hope for the best plan for the normal. Old lieutenants being brought back would be quite fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Yeah, it is a thing I will never stop to advocate, lieutenant characters are so much fun, I adore them in Fantasy as well as I loved them back in the old editions. They add flavour, some more characters to stay behind in lore and fluff as well as they are a simple and fun way to boost all kinds of units. Also I think that it is exactly this "lieutenant" class that effectively provides the soul and the character of every chaos waband. Think of how in the Word Bearers books we had the Coyphaus, the Aspiring Champions, the Standard Bearer, the Dark Mechanicus Magos... all were interesting and unique individuals who acted not as mere leaders of squads but as core and important figures in the warband, each with his own scale of values and a focus on an aspect of warfare he favoured most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Ok, today I have seen the "new" DV in the store. Are there any news on the content of the Aspiring Champion Datasheet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 See this unboxing. It looks a special character rather than a generic option, "Vash Tattersoul, Chaos Space Marine Aspiring Champion", 65 points, stats as an aspiring champion but 2 wounds instead of one, equipped as model with power armor, frag & krak, combi melta, power axe, close combat weapon. Oddly enough no bolt pistol, despite the model having one holstered. No vets. Has rage, independent character, and a special rule called "the cleaver" which seems to be a simplified version of the 'champion of chaos' rule - Vash must issue or accept challenges if possible, for every enemy character he kills he gains +1 attack for the rest of the game. I couldn't really make out the whole page, but I see nothing to indicate that this guy is an HQ choice for codex: Chaos Space Marine armies, it's likely that his rules are purely for starter box scenarios, though in casual games I imagine friends are likely to allow him - he hardly seems that impressive, even at 2 wounds he's only T4 with a 3+ and no invulnerable, it's not like he's likely to survive long enough to rack up an impressive kill count. Anyway, the new Dark Vengeance looks to be a solid starter kit. If anything, an improvement on its previous incarnation (though I would have appreciated some basic terrain, myself). The new box art is certainly an improvement. The unboxing review is nice and brief. There was one telling line in it that stood out to me, when he's discussing the quick start introduction booklet: "It's got some background information as well, which, to be honest, is why a lot of us still play this game". Ain't that the truth. At least from my perspective, it sure ain't for the rules or enjoyable gameplay experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 I don't need to spend a thousand dollars to enjoy background information though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_contagion Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share Posted July 26, 2014 Ah, well that's a disappointment. Well at least we know now =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Btw - might be a unique datasheet as I don't think you can configure the Aspiring Champion as he is modeled, while keeping to the regular Codex as he has 3 weapons - a Combi-Weapon (on his back), an Axe and a Dagger. That's 2 CC weapons and a Ranged weapon. Combibolter, Power axe, and ccw/Pistol. All Aspiring champions get 3 weapon slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 old Lt. would have been cool, I was hoping for the official 'Draznicht'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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