twopounder Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 After checking out Imperial Armor 2 Second Edition (couldn't they have named that something different?), I rather liked the Sicaran tank. Especially the fact that it's fast and can keep up with ravenwing quite effortlessly. While I have a fire raptor, Scorpius and Helios project simmering, the Sicaran will take the most work. I figured I'd get a start on it before classes on Monday. My idea is to use a rhino as the center hull and build side tracks and a turret to fill it out to the size of a Sicaran. Given the pictures, that appears to be pretty close to how forge world did it: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/sicaranscale2.jpg The tracks are almost complete and 99% of the side armor detailing is done. I haven't added any attachment area for sponsons yet though: http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2015/004/3/f/step_11_by_s3dition-d8cl7ni.png You can see some of my steps here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Good project, shall be watching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Chaplain Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 An interesting project for sure. How are you going to be printing out and assembling the physical side armor pieces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Good project, shall be watching Thanks. An interesting project for sure. How are you going to be printing out and assembling the physical side armor pieces? I'll probably use Shapeways. Their FUD prints are passable. More stepping than I would like, but paint covers it up pretty well. Here is the track design. Still not 100% positioned correctly and I need to bring in the road wheels a bit: http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2015/002/8/6/step_8_by_s3dition-d8cbmmy.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Updated with the latest detailing. I'm actually almost done with the detail for this section. Surprisingly, there is actually very little geometric detail in the tank. They added a lot of texturing and weathering to the model using paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 Update! I really don't like the default tracks that come on the Sicaran. They're too "we suck at making tanks WW1 style" for me. I decided to redesign them to be a little more modern. They should fit nicely with rhinos and land raiders as well: New: http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2015/004/3/f/step_11_by_s3dition-d8cl7ni.png Old: http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2015/002/5/7/step_10_by_s3dition-d8ccj3q.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Nice to see a bit more tread in the tracks, when you running this piece out to print? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 Nice to see a bit more tread in the tracks, when you running this piece out to print? When it's done :P. Seriously, I start classes full time on Monday for a BAS in software development and I work graveyard full time. I'll be squeezing in modeling time on the weekends. I still need to finish the rear exhaust system, turret, and front armor sections, as well as the hull heavy bolter mount. Still, the tracks are usually the most time consuming part of armored vehicles (in my case, anyway) so hopefully I can order it at the beginning of next month and have the print in my hands before March. I know, it's a long time, but quality takes time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 Bad news. I haven't constructed a rhino chassis in a very long time, and I got the 3rd ed and revised models mixed up in my head as far as pieces go. Currently using a rhino as the Sicaran's core hull is not a viable option. I could potentially order some old 3rd ed rhinos off ebay, but I'm not overly interested in doing that. However, I'm not abandoning this project. I can still make an entirely custom vehicle based on my own design, it will just take a lot longer. I had originally only planned on making the side tracks, turret, and some front/back detailing. Now I'll have to make all of it. In the meantime, I'm switching to smaller, faster projects, including: Corvus Hammers Whirlwind Scorpius turret Whirlwind Hyperios turret Mortis Dreadnought arms More or less in that order. I'm going to roll all of those into a single thread and put chapter markers in the first post for all those interested. Once those are finished, I'll pick this project up again (and hopefully have a lot more spare time to finish it in a timely manner). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 That's awesome! Can't wait to see the finished model, pre-painted and painted :) Please do some bording torpedoes and send them to me for next christmas :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 That's awesome! Can't wait to see the finished model, pre-painted and painted Please do some bording torpedoes and send them to me for next christmas Isn't that just a Caestus Siege Ram? Seems like the functionality of the two is awful similar. 40k versions would be really expensive to print. BFG on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 That's awesome! Can't wait to see the finished model, pre-painted and painted Please do some bording torpedoes and send them to me for next christmas Isn't that just a Caestus Siege Ram? Seems like the functionality of the two is awful similar. 40k versions would be really expensive to print. BFG on the other hand... similiar, but a "normal" boarding torpaedo would be just for 5 Terminators :P (just like the ones from the new Space Hulk edition :>) in a few years, we may finaly 3D print our Battlefleet Gothic/Heresy armys :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 That's awesome! Can't wait to see the finished model, pre-painted and painted Please do some bording torpedoes and send them to me for next christmas Isn't that just a Caestus Siege Ram? Seems like the functionality of the two is awful similar. 40k versions would be really expensive to print. BFG on the other hand... similiar, but a "normal" boarding torpaedo would be just for 5 Terminators (just like the ones from the new Space Hulk edition :>) in a few years, we may finaly 3D print our Battlefleet Gothic/Heresy armys Well, for BFG I could make it. I just need a rough size for it. 28mm probably not. That's a lot of time and very high cost to print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Bad news. I haven't constructed a rhino chassis in a very long time, and I got the 3rd ed and revised models mixed up in my head as far as pieces go. Currently using a rhino as the Sicaran's core hull is not a viable option. I could potentially order some old 3rd ed rhinos off ebay, but I'm not overly interested in doing that. Just curious as to what made you decide the Rhino was unusable for the hull? I ask because I still believe it's quite do-able. If you make sure that the Sicaren tracks are long enough to fit the entire length of the Rhino top hull in (perhaps mount a little lower than intended) the only other piece to be made would be a new back plate for mounting the engines. Cheers, Jono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 Bad news. I haven't constructed a rhino chassis in a very long time, and I got the 3rd ed and revised models mixed up in my head as far as pieces go. Currently using a rhino as the Sicaran's core hull is not a viable option. I could potentially order some old 3rd ed rhinos off ebay, but I'm not overly interested in doing that. Just curious as to what made you decide the Rhino was unusable for the hull? I ask because I still believe it's quite do-able. If you make sure that the Sicaren tracks are long enough to fit the entire length of the Rhino top hull in (perhaps mount a little lower than intended) the only other piece to be made would be a new back plate for mounting the engines. Cheers, Jono The rhino's tracks are not entirely separate from the hull. The top track guard is built into the top section of the rhino hull and the only way to assemble it is to add the interior section of track. In the 3rd edition rhino, the hull was built separately from the tracks and didn't rely on them for support like the new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Which one do you want? This project shall not fall! http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/Lamenterkyle/Mobile%20Uploads/20150117_085424_zpsd5115734.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 Which one do you want? This project shall not fall! http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/Lamenterkyle/Mobile%20Uploads/20150117_085424_zpsd5115734.jpg That's a great offer! I actually have a few laying around, I'd just have to peel the guns off them. Mostly, I wanted to make it easy to let other people print the parts, buy a rhino, and slap it together. It's harder when they have to get an OOP rhino from ebay. Not to fear though, I'm not going to abandon this. Perhaps it will look better with a completely custom front and back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Bad news. I haven't constructed a rhino chassis in a very long time, and I got the 3rd ed and revised models mixed up in my head as far as pieces go. Currently using a rhino as the Sicaran's core hull is not a viable option. I could potentially order some old 3rd ed rhinos off ebay, but I'm not overly interested in doing that. Just curious as to what made you decide the Rhino was unusable for the hull? I ask because I still believe it's quite do-able. If you make sure that the Sicaren tracks are long enough to fit the entire length of the Rhino top hull in (perhaps mount a little lower than intended) the only other piece to be made would be a new back plate for mounting the engines. Cheers, Jono The rhino's tracks are not entirely separate from the hull. The top track guard is built into the top section of the rhino hull and the only way to assemble it is to add the interior section of track. In the 3rd edition rhino, the hull was built separately from the tracks and didn't rely on them for support like the new one. Excluding the Rear hatch, the three other pieces can be assembled securly using the interior wall (I know because I did it for my Krixxus Assault Transport HERE). As I said before, if you can get the length of the Rhino's top plate to fit within the length of the Sicaren tracks, the only additional piece you'll need to model is a new rear wall to mount the exhausts on. Cheers, Jono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 Bad news. I haven't constructed a rhino chassis in a very long time, and I got the 3rd ed and revised models mixed up in my head as far as pieces go. Currently using a rhino as the Sicaran's core hull is not a viable option. I could potentially order some old 3rd ed rhinos off ebay, but I'm not overly interested in doing that. Just curious as to what made you decide the Rhino was unusable for the hull? I ask because I still believe it's quite do-able. If you make sure that the Sicaren tracks are long enough to fit the entire length of the Rhino top hull in (perhaps mount a little lower than intended) the only other piece to be made would be a new back plate for mounting the engines. Cheers, Jono The rhino's tracks are not entirely separate from the hull. The top track guard is built into the top section of the rhino hull and the only way to assemble it is to add the interior section of track. In the 3rd edition rhino, the hull was built separately from the tracks and didn't rely on them for support like the new one. Excluding the Rear hatch, the three other pieces can be assembled securly using the interior wall (I know because I did it for my Krixxus Assault Transport HERE). As I said before, if you can get the length of the Rhino's top plate to fit within the length of the Sicaren tracks, the only additional piece you'll need to model is a new rear wall to mount the exhausts on. Cheers, Jono It might work. The difference in our projects is that my modeling has to be exact. I work with fractions of a millimeter to make certain that there are no gaps or bad angles. That said, It's a possibility and I'll investigate again. It would require shaving the top track guard off. I have a rhino on the sprue here in front of me. I'll see about getting some pieces cleaned off to see how it might all go together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Getting one of THESE makes trimming the track guards off a breeze, as well as alot of other hpbby stuff. Cheers, Jono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Have everything under strong consideration. The track guards can be easily trimmed from the bottom, where the crease between the guards and the top of the hull is clearly visible. March has come and gone, but it looks like I'll have ~10 weeks free this summer. I'm going to push this project back because I want to take the time to make a quality model and add the level of detail I feel it deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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