furstyferret Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Looking around at various army list posts and considering my own builds, I wondered how people felt about combi-weapons on their Terminators in HH. At 7 points each they aren’t an overly expensive upgrade, and the obvious stand-outs are still the plasma and melta. Melta seems to suffer from more issues than in 40k in that most legions aren’t able to deep strike terminators, and the abundance (or potential) of Armoured Ceramite means vehicles are much better protected. Even if deep striking is an option, how viable is melta compared to plasma in HH? How many people equip their Terminators with any iteration of the combi-weapon? And if so, which type do you prefer? Also, do you mix their type within a unit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Plasma - getting a volley equivalent to a support squad for 70points is pretty brutal. When coming out of a transport it means that you'll almost always get it off too. Paying for just straight up Volkite chargers is also an option though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4713655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangaman Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Combi-plasma on all Terminators for me. S7 is good enough for rear armour shots and elite infantry, and 7pts is super cheap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4713663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 A unit of terminators with combi plasma and teleporter transponders is a staple for most of my NL lists. Can't go wrong with a unit deep striking in an unleashing a full plasma volley. Wouldn't usually bother with melta, plasma is just more versatile and good enough to deal with side/rear armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4713717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Teeth Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I am sad that aside from the sergeant, my Gorgons can't have combi-weapons. I suffered badly encountering an opposing unit equipped with combi-plasmas. I'll be sure to model a regular Legion Terminator Squad with them in the future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4714466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I always take melta. Plasma for terms is way overrated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4714651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindstormSCR Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Always one melta. Mostly for cracking doors in ZM, though it sometimes cones in handy for dreads or light transports. Plasma for the rest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4714957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Plasma every time, although I do have a Justaerin squad with 5x combi-meltas, built when I first started 30k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4714959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Magnetise. Doesn't matter how much the majority say Armoured ceramite is prevalent, there's always something that will go without it that will need to die. So having an interchangeable loadout between elite/light vehicle death to I need this armoured target dead will put you in reasonable stead. Plus it always serves to remind your group/friends that they should always put Ceramite on those vehicles. Or have 2 squads, one with plasma and one with melta. Whatever floats your boat ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4714968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Even with Armored Ceramite Melta has a decent chance of blowing up anything under AV 14. I lost a leviathan to a melta support squad (my first game with the levy...). It is still str 8, and also has a purpose in killing multiwound models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4714973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Spud Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 I have a soft spot for melta guns as they have terrific kill power against pretty much anything in the game and don't have the suicide risk of plasma. If you use 10 combi plasma guns you are risking close to 2'gets hot' wounds which i feel is a bit rich at nearly 40 points per model, and you double this if you rapid fire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4715574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Yeah it's a risk, but for that small risk of losing a model in +2 armor you literally double your firepower, so the risk is well worth it in my mind. And against any weak side/rear armor values, plasma will do just as well as melta. Now of course against heavier armor melta will do better, but there's always the possibility of dealing with AC, which is a tossup so I'd rather rely on more reliable anti tank sources and stick to plasma for my terminators. Another point in favor of combi plas, if the terminators are deep striking you only need to be within twelve of your target, which isn't too risky a drop. Six inches though for melta range, that's a bigger risk. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4715685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I arm my Alpha Legion Terminators (in Dreadclaws) with combi-plasmas. I've got a Machine Killer combi-melta Veteran squad and a Leviathan with Melta Lance (both in drop pods), so the Terminators are their to kill infantry once the Veterans and Leviathan have destroyed their transports. http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN5325_zpsv4wxrlo1.jpg http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN5369_zpsahnopwek.jpg Edit: Also, with 'Mutable Tactics' I'll nearly always be taking 'Tanks Hunters' (I don't need 'Infiltrate' because my army deploys via drop pod), so the plasmas can also be useful against most vehicles (especially when Dynat leads the army with his +1 to damage rolls in the enemy deployment zone). Of course this is only applicable to the Alpha Legion, but I wanted to share some of my reasoning :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4715722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I arm my Alpha Legion Terminators (in Dreadclaws) with combi-plasmas. I've got a Machine Killer combi-melta Veteran squad and a Leviathan with Melta Lance (both in drop pods), so the Terminators are their to kill infantry once the Veterans and Leviathan have destroyed their transports. http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN5325_zpsv4wxrlo1.jpg http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN5369_zpsahnopwek.jpg Edit: Also, with 'Mutable Tactics' I'll nearly always be taking 'Tanks Hunters' (I don't need 'Infiltrate' because my army deploys via drop pod), so the plasmas can also be useful against most vehicles (especially when Dynat leads the army with his +1 to damage rolls in the enemy deployment zone). Of course this is only applicable to the Alpha Legion, but I wanted to share some of my reasoning :)By Odins great beard, that is an awesome painted and build unit. Holy moly! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4715731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Spud Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I arm my Alpha Legion Terminators (in Dreadclaws) with combi-plasmas. I've got a Machine Killer combi-melta Veteran squad and a Leviathan with Melta Lance (both in drop pods), so the Terminators are their to kill infantry once the Veterans and Leviathan have destroyed their transports. http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN5325_zpsv4wxrlo1.jpg http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN5369_zpsahnopwek.jpgEdit: Also, with 'Mutable Tactics' I'll nearly always be taking 'Tanks Hunters' (I don't need 'Infiltrate' because my army deploys via drop pod), so the plasmas can also be useful against most vehicles (especially when Dynat leads the army with his +1 to damage rolls in the enemy deployment zone). Of course this is only applicable to the Alpha Legion, but I wanted to share some of my reasoning :)By Odins great beard, that is an awesome painted and build unit. Holy moly! Agreed 100% awesome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4718779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SockMonkey Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Yup them smexy biggly! Seriously not sure I've seen better AL anywhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333052-terminator-combi-weapons/#findComment-4719899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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