Looking for a parent chapter for a successor chapter

[Berzul]

Hey everyone.

 

So, I am planning a new project to embark upon, since my main army is pretty much "ready".

 

As a guy who got into Warhammer through Fantasy, and a long time fanboy of the old Bretonnia, I am thinking of starting a custom successor that organizes itself in "houses", with house colors, and heraldry schemes for said colors, spread throughout the squads.

That is, each squad would have a specific color, and each battle brother in the squad would have these squad colors in a specific pattern.

 

As opposed to my current and main army, these guys would have all manner of backpack banners, purity seals and decorations. Not humble or solemn, at all. Rather boasting, instead.

 

What parent chapter, would you guys say, would be better suited to have provided the chapter with a predilection to these forms of colorful display?

[RandomMarine]

Maybe ironhands, each clan has unique marking and each squad has a unique identity that is weird kinda of gestalt entity

[Berzul]

Maybe ironhands, each clan has unique marking and each squad has a unique identity that is weird kinda of gestalt entity

But, arent Iron Hands kind of somber and detached? I do not know them much, but I do not imagine them as being colorful and decorated.

[RandyB]

Which parent chapter best fits the theme of "peacocking"... non-Codex heraldry and company structure... loyalist...

 

Salamanders?

[Berzul]

Peacocking...!! ....Hahahahaha!! Yeah, pretty much!!

 

So, which one would it be? Salamanders, really? Not that I cannot see it, though.

[Brother Tyler]

The Codex Astartes makes provisions for heraldry specific to each of the companies, with each company not only having a standardized color, but also having a basic heraldic pattern for displaying that color. Those heraldic patterns are rarely shown except on the officers and banners. The Unforgiven are noteworthy in both using different heraldic patterns and in seeing their heraldic patterns displayed on the armour of rank and file members of the Chapter.

 

Codex Chapter Company Heraldry

 

Dark Angels Chapter Company Heraldry

The Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Space Wolves have all similarly taken the basic premise of heraldry specific to each company and created their own heraldic designs. The Iron Hands base theirs on the clans of Medusa, the Space Wolves allow the Wolf Lords to choose from a variety of wolf-themed designs, etc. The Black Templars, too, do this in allowing the Marshals to create the heraldry (seals) for their Crusades.

 

3rd edition version of Salamanders company markings, on right

 

Iron Hands Clan Company Markings

 

Black Templars Crusade Seals, bottom right

Your concept sounds like you've taken the principle of the basic company heraldry, whether that of the Codex Astartes or that of any of Chapter that uses non-standard heraldry, and adapted it.

 

In this, while the parent Chapter might have some influence, the world from which the Chapter recruits also has an influence, as does the warrior cult of the Chapter.

 

You could pick just about any Chapter and identify the recruiting world(s) and/or warrior cult as the primary influence for the company-specific heraldry, especially if you don't want to use the heraldry of the Codex Astartes or a predecessor Chapter.

[Dracos]

Sounds like just about anyone besides Raven Guard would fit the bill depending on what play style you enjoyed the most.

[Paulinus]

My take.

 

You want to make a show of your colours and heraldry.

 

Dark Angels although secretive use a theme of Knights and Knight Orders. Knight Order of the day displayed banners and shields with heraldry and livery.

 

If you want a Codex SM Army, then Ultramarines. The theme is Roman. Banners, Eagle standards, crested helmets etc. A lot of those had practical uses in Roman times for command and control. But individual legions had decorative shields with various patterns for each legion. Plus a lot of what the Roman army did I was psychological as much a practical.

 

Black Templars might be another one a show well for the same reason as Dark Angels. But even better as the whole theme is crusades and Warrior duels.

 

Finally if you really really want to peacock it up, use the Rainbow Warriors. Kidding, they don’t really have rules.

[Brother Tyler]

Even the Raven Guard use the company markings, but it appears that they just use the colors (I don't have their supplement, so I'm relying on what I can find on the web):

 

Raven Guard (you can see the colors on the rims)

 

Space Wolves

 

Imperial Fists (same as the Ultramarines, but adapted for their yellow armour)

 

Blood Angels

 

White Scars

[N1SB]

Peacocking...!! ....Hahahahaha!! Yeah, pretty much!!

 

So, which one would it be? Salamanders, really? Not that I cannot see it, though.

 

I was a scion of the Shattered Xth.  I absolutely agree with Brother Randy regarding Salamanders.  There's a great little Horus Heresy short story about exactly this.

 

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The Emperor finds their Primarch Vulkan as a humble smith and offers to make him general of the 18th Legion, but Vulkan wants to remain a humble smith.  So he introduces him to his fellow Primarch, Ferrus, off-page (I imagine that going, "Hey, I'm Ferrus and I like hammers, feel free to use my forge," then Vulkan beaming back, "I think we're going to be fast friends.")

 

Then the 3 go to invade bring into Imperial Compliance some planet; the Emperor sends Vulkan ahead and tells Ferrus to hang back, as reserves, and Ferrus kinda gets that he's there to observe and give feedback.  Some Vulkan runs ahead, the tip of the spear of the Legions, uses his body to shield innocents, y'know, doing his thing.  The Emperor turns to Ferrus, "What do you think, son?"

 

Ferrus adjusts his hammer, replies, "Kinda flashy, but solid, seems reliable."

 

The Emperor turns back to watch Vulkan, after a pause, tilts his head back towards Ferrus, "I was talking about the Primarch, not his power armour."

 

"Oh!  Right," answers Ferrus.  "Same answer."

 

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A good local meta friend of mine, a better converter than me, discussed a similar to question to yours.  It happens he, too, played Bretonnians.  I spotted him the idea of something like "the Green Knights" or "Verdant Knights", etc., invoking that Bretonnian/real world legend (btw, if you want to check out a totally sweet rendition of Sir Gawain & the Green Knight, JRR Tolkien rocked it with his.)  Lots of gold and green, but I actually recommended he use Nihalkh Oxide instead of green to invoke that sense of antiquity.

[Dracos]

 

I went looking for something similar for inspiration and really decided Marneus could look good with this concept

[Panzer]

What parent chapter, would you guys say, would be better suited to have provided the chapter with a predilection to these forms of colorful display?

 

Any of them. While GW likes to have successors closely follow the aesthetics and tactics of their parent chapter, there's no reason why that should be the case for them all. The only thing you really have to pay attention for is whether the bloodline has some form degeneration which would then obviously be represent in your successors too.

Edited May 16, 2020 by Panzer

[Gederas]

What parent chapter, would you guys say, would be better suited to have provided the chapter with a predilection to these forms of colorful display?

Any of them. While GW likes to have successors closely follow the aesthetics and tactics of their parent chapter, there's no reason why that should be the case for them all. The only thing you really have to pay attention for is whether the bloodline has some form degeneration which would then obviously be represent in your successors too.

"GW likes to have successors closely follow the aesthetics and tactics of their parent chapter"

 

Uhhh.... Not always. In fact, a lot of the authors have been showing that more.

 

Also: Emperor's Spears are Ultramarines successors. They're pretty far from Ultramarines in Aesthetics and Tactics :lol:

 

Regarding the original question: Dorn's lineage is the one that produces the most "Knightly" chapters aside from Dark Angels.

 

So, imo, Dark Angels or Imperial Fists successors.

[Skywrath]

 

What parent chapter, would you guys say, would be better suited to have provided the chapter with a predilection to these forms of colorful display?

Any of them. While GW likes to have successors closely follow the aesthetics and tactics of their parent chapter, there's no reason why that should be the case for them all. The only thing you really have to pay attention for is whether the bloodline has some form degeneration which would then obviously be represent in your successors too.

"GW likes to have successors closely follow the aesthetics and tactics of their parent chapter"

 

Uhhh.... Not always. In fact, a lot of the authors have been showing that more.

 

Also: Emperor's Spears are Ultramarines successors. They're pretty far from Ultramarines in Aesthetics and Tactics

 

Regarding the original question: Dorn's lineage is the one that produces the most "Knightly" chapters aside from Dark Angels.

 

So, imo, Dark Angels or Imperial Fists successors.

 

 

Let's not forget the Grey Knights in the "Knightly" chapters bit ;p 

[Panzer]

 

What parent chapter, would you guys say, would be better suited to have provided the chapter with a predilection to these forms of colorful display?

Any of them. While GW likes to have successors closely follow the aesthetics and tactics of their parent chapter, there's no reason why that should be the case for them all. The only thing you really have to pay attention for is whether the bloodline has some form degeneration which would then obviously be represent in your successors too.

"GW likes to have successors closely follow the aesthetics and tactics of their parent chapter"

 

Uhhh.... Not always. In fact, a lot of the authors have been showing that more.

 

Also: Emperor's Spears are Ultramarines successors. They're pretty far from Ultramarines in Aesthetics and Tactics

 

Regarding the original question: Dorn's lineage is the one that produces the most "Knightly" chapters aside from Dark Angels.

 

So, imo, Dark Angels or Imperial Fists successors.

 

 

I didn't say they all are like that. If there weren't exceptions I wouldn't have said that any parent chapter is fine. ;)

[Berzul]

Thank you for all the information. Looks like indeed there are SOME options better than others, but any chapter could work...

[Paulinus]

 

 

What parent chapter, would you guys say, would be better suited to have provided the chapter with a predilection to these forms of colorful display?

 

Any of them. While GW likes to have successors closely follow the aesthetics and tactics of their parent chapter, there's no reason why that should be the case for them all. The only thing you really have to pay attention for is whether the bloodline has some form degeneration which would then obviously be represent in your successors too.

"GW likes to have successors closely follow the aesthetics and tactics of their parent chapter"

Uhhh.... Not always. In fact, a lot of the authors have been showing that more.

 

Also: Emperor's Spears are Ultramarines successors. They're pretty far from Ultramarines in Aesthetics and Tactics :lol:

 

Regarding the original question: Dorn's lineage is the one that produces the most "Knightly" chapters aside from Dark Angels.

 

So, imo, Dark Angels or Imperial Fists successors.

It’s rumoured that a lot of “successors” to the ultramarines are actually what was left of the loyalists from traitor legions....

[Karhedron]

If you are looking for something a bit flamboyant and gallant, the Sons of the Phoenix might offer some fun modelling possibilities. Officially they are an Imperial Fists successor chapter but it is rumoured that Cawl ignored Guilliman's orders and used the Primaris version of the Emperor's Children geneseed to create them but this is just heretical speculation.

 

[Medjugorje]

If there is a chapter which fulfil this role then it must be the Imperial Fists. 

 

They have this knightly thing - especially by the Iron Knights, Black Templars you can see it.

[Brother Tyler]

I removed some off topic posts. However, those posts reminded me that I'd forgotten two very important Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes - the Grey Knights and Deathwatch. Neither one of those qualifies as a parent Chapter in that they don't have successors (unless you are in the camp that subscribes to the theory that the Exorcists were created from the gene-seed of the Grey Knights - but that's not relevant to this discussion). Where they are both relevant here, however, is in their own unique heraldry. Unfortunately, I can only show that of the Grey Knights right now.

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It will take me some time to cobble together the heraldry of the Deathwatch.

[Iron Lord]

I removed some off topic posts. However, those posts reminded me that I'd forgotten two very important Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes - the Grey Knights and Deathwatch. Neither one of those qualifies as a parent Chapter in that they don't have successors (unless you are in the camp that subscribes to the theory that the Exorcists were created from the gene-seed of the Grey Knights - but that's not relevant to this discussion). Where they are both relevant here, however, is in their own unique heraldry. 

 

The fact that all senior Grey Knights have "personal heraldry" is also of interest.

[NKirkham24]

As far as flashy schemes go, Howling Griffons spring to mind, bright red and yellow quarters.

 

That said, I think you'd be best making a scheme your happy with and having an unknown First founding chapter, then you can play them as whichever takes your fancy, allowing for your favourite playstyle etc.