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I've always wondered why they don't do a made to order preorder instead of limited editions? Seems only the scalpers that benefit from the limited editions, I wonder if any of them work for GW?

Cool, thanks for the update. Are they mutated in a chaos way or are they in a way that's in keeping with the wulfen curse? As per my original post I seem to recall In 1000 sons some of them are pretty mutated & bestial already so in restrospect it's maybe a poor yardstick. "Also, 10,000 years in real space could be 100 years in the Warp or a million years. It goes both ways." Yeah, exactly my point, you can't really make assumptions because time can move at a different rate. "Think before you post please."

I guess the closest analogy to your therory would be the 13th company of the Rout. I don't know the current lore on them but they weren't mutated and changed too much by being in the Eye as I remember it. Wulfen aside, but they were already like that as I recall? There is also the added wrinkle of time in the Eye moving at a different rate so it may ne hard to make assumptions of change or lack thereof based on time exposed whilst being in the Eye. Yea, how do all those librarians, astropaths and sanctioned psykers manage? How is Warp Corax anything like a sanctioned psyker? Think before you post please. Well first of all, all you said was "harnessed". Many things harness the warp without being corrupted, because the warp is just power. That idea, that power is neutral until used towards a goal, was the whole philosophy justifying the thousand sons. The dangers associated with using the warp are either daemon related, or using too much power beyond one's control. Living in the warp mutates humans and astartes based off emotions and symbolism, but primarchs are warp-based already. Their nature would be emphasized and enhanced, especially if they learned to use that. So in corax' case, vengeance is his nature and ravens are a large part of his symbolism, explaining his form. But there's no interaction with a chaos god, much like librarians, void shields an everything else that interacts with warp power. Also given Corax's abilities to change how people percieve (or don't percieve) him, the way the word bearers and Lorgar percieve him could be an evolvition of this abillity. Bringing it back to topic

Yea, how do all those librarians, astropaths and sanctioned psykers manage? Is it not two different things? The Primarchs in the Eye of Terror are in a chaotic enviroment (like being in a nuclear reactor) so run the possibility of being contaminated, the librarians etc are not emersed in the warp rather they are syphoning off it's power in a controlled way (using the power from the nuclear reactor to generate power).

Yeah it'll be interesting to see how they balance any Primarch vs Daemon Primarch battles.

Oh ok, sorry. Given the scale of the Palace I've always imagined it containg all the aspects of your description. Hopefully that'll tide you over till Marshal Loss gives his impressions of it. https://www.instagram.com/p/B0ESHWVndrI/ Link to Ral and the Count picture from Mike French's instagram

https://siegeofterra.com/ is a link where you see the map from the book and zoom in on it if necessasry

No, I'll give the actual quote as it's important to the discussion

Yea. That would be an interesting note. Glad to hear that Raldoron (finally) gets some proper attention in this one. How about Sanguinius? Any good moments? (don't need exact spoilers, per se) I'd be curious if it's yet another book where he's on the cover yet has like 5% of the page count. Does he finally start feeling like a bad- -er? Sanguinius certainly does have a number of good moments. They're not limited to combat either with some nice pieces of him reflecting on things. Him and the Khan both have the main share of the Loyalist Primarch story attention. His story pieces underscore him as an exemplar of what a good place the Imperium could be. Bonkers that anyone would complain about not enough marine action in 30k fiction. I agree, that being said perhaps they feel annoyed that this book does little to move the storylines of prominent Astartes who are present at the siege? In a series where there is a finite number of books maybe they're concerned that their favourite Astartes charcter will not get their time to shine? Again I'd ask how many have actually read the book. I personally don’t want to hear very much about any mortals in this particular series unless it is significant to the big picture. This story is the platform of the Emperor against Chaos and the tools they use to fight. The main tools are Primarchs and significant named daemons. Secondary are significant named historical marine characters and Malcador. I acknowledge humans are huge in numbers and what are being fought for, but it’s not the story I want very many pages devoted to during the last stages of the confrontation. I personally wish the Heresy series dedicated more time to big characters than it did. Just my opinion. There are still plenty of areas in the book where main characters get attention. The new and existing human characters that are included give a nice vignette of non Astartes role in the siege. I felt their inclusion wasn't a detriment to the story, or came at the expenese of already established Astartes or Primarch characters. Importantly from a historical and tactical angle their story needs to be told. I guess it depends on your definition of signifcant to the bigger picture? The non Astartes and non Primarchs have always been significant players in the siege in my view. Maybe the time to judge these things once the series is over though?

Thanks for sharing this. Having re read the passge a couple of times now I guess this explanation could work. It does make me question why Dorn is playing it cool though? I'm not sure I'm convinced

Yea. That would be an interesting note. Glad to hear that Raldoron (finally) gets some proper attention in this one. How about Sanguinius? Any good moments? (don't need exact spoilers, per se) I'd be curious if it's yet another book where he's on the cover yet has like 5% of the page count. Does he finally start feeling like a bad- -er? Sanguinius certainly does have a number of good moments. They're not limited to combat either with some nice pieces of him reflecting on things. Him and the Khan both have the main share of the Loyalist Primarch story attention. His story pieces underscore him as an exemplar of what a good place the Imperium could be. Bonkers that anyone would complain about not enough marine action in 30k fiction. I agree, that being said perhaps they feel annoyed that this book does little to move the storylines of prominent Astartes who are present at the siege? In a series where there is a finite number of books maybe they're concerned that their favourite Astartes charcter will not get their time to shine? Again I'd ask how many have actually read the book.

Yeah that's the one i'm thinking of. Thanks Seems to have been left out of the more versions of the siege. Might dig out the original White Dwarf and see if there are any other nods to it. Mind you the BL authors seem to have used the existing accounts of the siege only as a very rough outlline. Events from the later HH books ate already contradicting stuff from the version of the siege on the latest iteration of Visions of Heresy. I suppose they could still happen as previously descibed but it's unlikely. One other thing of note from TLaTD is

Not in that way, on a floating bone island, no, but to my recollection it was him that offered terms. He always seemed a strange choice to deliver the terms of surrender to me as he's a big red rage monster at this point so perhaps not the best public speaker beyond "BLOOD" & "SKULLS" so if it a change it's maybe for the best

You're welcome. True, but my point was more who he was telling the info to, and indeed that he shared that info Malcador being the way he is I thought at the end of the Solar War Sigismund and Loken were on Terra after the final battle of that book? If thats the case I'm assuming they'd be in the Palace somewhere, to my recollection as I said before I'm sure they're not even mentioned in TLaTD. Hardly surprizing given the few Loyal Astartes characters featured in the book . Misunderstood your reply about who told who that his agents wouldn't be involved as referring to Loken to as being one of them. Apologies if this has already been asked, are there any scenes showing the Emperor vs Horus, or interacting with the loyalists, like we got from Solar War? My memory is a bit hazy on this as I re-read Solar War just prior ro reading this but I think there is at least one instance of Horus & the Emperor interacting as they did in Solar War. Don't think either interact with the other Loyalists