Lagrath

Tyranids are famously busted. 1/3 of the top 5 placings at 20+ person tournaments this past weekend were Tyranids. I'm sure CSM will get rolled by them and Eldar since GW would never release a Chaos codex that is a top dog. I just hope CSM is good enough that they can compete at the top after August chapter approved points nerf Tyranids and Eldar.

Accursed weapons seem really good. Lots of stuff reduces damage so damage 1 is good. Str 5 is a great breakpoint vs the most common things in the game namely toughness 4, toughness 5, and toughness 8. AP 3 is very important especially with armor of contempt, often putting enemies on their invul saves. An extra attack is great especially in combo with abilities that trigger off attacks.

Can confirm that is true Pls confirm if the same goes for DG and 1ksons? Yeah, DG and TS getting this would be amazing. Super cool from a lore and from a competitive standpoint.

I'm sad that CSM and CK keep getting pushed out.

I didn't realize you can't choose to stay in destruction. Dang.

So far everything Chris shared has been completely accurate i.e. CSM squad stuff.

I can't wait either. That strat to be another Legion especially. The devil is in the details there.

Looks like the CSM spells are unchanged more or less, which is great (though no charge after warp time is typical GW fail). Alpha Legion kept a lot of good strats, which is neat. I am curious whether the +6" range and -1 AP strat changes based on unit size. If it's 1 CP no matter what, it's a great strat. If it's 2 CP beyond 5 models in a unit, it's pretty terrible. For the prayer of 1-3 to hit always fails and no rerolls, is that an aura from the Dark Apostle to nearby units? Is it one unit he picks? I sure hope there is a strat for rerolls on Dark Apostle because even if you have Disciples, if you need a 2+ and roll a 1 it's a feels bad for the defensive buff on a key unit. Especially in the first turn.

It looks like GW finally realized that they have designed and rehashed truly awful Relics and stratagems for several Legions for several codexes and supplements in a row over many years. About time that Black Legion, Night Lords, etc finally got a glow up from the garbage level stuff that kept getting recycled over several years.

A lot of the older codexes (Thousand Sons and earlier) have bad / expensive stratagems and sub factions traits. They clearly made design changes later in the process. Thousand Sons -1 damage costs 1 CP for 5 or less in a unit, 3 CP for 6-10 in a unit. In contrast, a ton of Custodes strats (which are on more powerful and tougher units!) are 1-2 CP depending on size. Either CSM will benefit from strats getting cheaper with later, more powerful codexes, or they will suffer from GW wanting to keep Chaos strats consistently expensive/bad and so some of the strats will be up to 3 CP rather than 1-2 CP. We'll see.

Iron Warriors might actually be durable enough to survive the insane offensive power that has come out of the codex creep of the last few months. I worry a bit about the CP cost (Thousand Sons also have -1 damage strat but it doesn't help too much when it's 3 CP for 1 phase for 10 Scarab Terminators). Nonetheless, the -1 damage strat and the 5+++ will go a long way to keep IW units alive.

I am skeptical about the Lord Discordant. Can't heal himself anymore. Only 1 per detachment. Main attack went from str 7 to str 4, except +1 to wound on the charge. Lost the attack techno injector attacks. Lost a quarter of his wounds, though that does let him hide and prevents him from degrading. I guess we'll have to see it in practice. Especially if they change his points, since GW made him uselessly overpriced because they didn't know how else to balance him after they accidently released a good Chaos unit when he first came out. Can't have that, haha. Edit: Though I do like the idea of an Iron Warriors Lord Discordant with reduce ap 1/2 by 1, on a 2+ save model.

All my CSM and Chosen troops are beautifully painted but have bolters (Dark Vengeance and other kits). I hope they aren't terrible compared to chainsword marines.

Interesting, disco lord loses a quarter of his wounds but can now be shielded by other units. I wonder how that will affect his cost, especially since GW has kept him criminally overpriced to begin with for the whole edition so far.

I'm sad if CSM troops don't have 3 attacks base