Urriak Urruk

I read something about how Ynnari have this one list that is currently nearly unbeatable in the hands of a good player. IMO you will never have true balance in 40k. People will always try to forge that "perfect list." But GW now seems to have a better formula with FAQs and more updates, to more easily nerf this kind of list domination.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/01/white-dwarf-presents-miniature-yeargw-homepage-post-3/ Mortarion won. If that doesn't make GW crank out more Primarchs for 40k, I am Santa Claws.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Headcanon An idea, belief, or aspect of a story that is not mentioned in the media itself, but is accepted by either the media consumer themselves or the fandom in general. If it is confirmed by the creator of the story, it becomes canon. In Homestuck , a popular webcomic , many suspect the headcanon that the trolls are carnivores, because of their natural homicidal tendencies and sharp teeth. It's never explicitly stated in the comic that this is true, but it'd be kind of dumb to assume they're a race known for salads and ice cream sundaes. It's kind of the opposite of what you describe.

And why is it that your head-cannon is in any way more valid than Fulkes' ?Loose canon. Yay. Edit: to be clear, 'loose canon' renders discussion pointless, if we are going to claim head canon, actually has merit, all this thread is, is textual masturbation, a solo act of 'well I think this, and it's irrelevant what others or actual lore states'. An utter waste of time. That's not what loose canon is, though. That's how people that dislike or misunderstand the idea treat it, but it's not what it is. Isn’t loose canon the mutual validity of published sources or right to ignore published sources for the sake of narrative, while head canon is a personal interpretation of published sources or entirely original in-universe information? To use non-controversial examples: the captain of the Ultramarines Second Company is subject to loose canon, but my Captain Burly McCodpiece is headcanon? So Yvraines statement Guilliman would need to die would be subject to loose canon but my choice not to consider Gathering Storm as the events that happen would be headcanon. If my train of thought is correct. That’s how I interpreted the original Loose Canon piece any way. I'm not sure head-canon can be quite that personal, that's just bad fan-fiction. Even head-canon requires a certain level of support, even if it's support that can't be proved. A good example would be, "My head-canon is that Rey is Obi-Wan Kenobi's daughter, for these reasons!" You can't prove that, you can't disprove it, but it doesn't rely on anything completely personal and irrelevant. (like Burly McCodpiece)

Lots of developers have personal passion projects, and mine is the creation of some kind of application that scans forums and other social media for people stating that prayers and/or belief creates gods in 40K, and auto-posts "that's not how the warp works, damnit" in response. http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/THATS-NOT-HOW-THE-FORCE-WORKS.gif

I chose Cypher. Not just because it's an amazing model, but I hope GW gets the hint to remake Dante, Abaddon, and others.

You would think they would have tried using Sany's body to resurrect Emps into!

What's the Black Library's line? "Everything is canon, but not everything is true."

I missed your original post, so I can only imagine your dream was something like this;

Yeah, if Sanguinius was resurrected for only two days

Could you give a reference within the 40k lit? I'm not doubting you, just interested. A good example is probably the recent Lorgar Primarch book (which I am enjoying, not as good as Perturabo but better than Guilliman and Magnus). In that book the Colchisian religion worships the four gods (by different names, but it's clearly the four). The preachers like Kor Phaeron treat it like a pantheon, but you're not really worshipping each god separately, individually and equal. You're worshipping them all together, like a 4-sided coin. Phaeron almost never mentions each god individually, instead saying "the powers" in almost every reference to them. It's almost like 4 separate personalities or concepts of one larger power-base.

In Vaults of Terra the Inquisition is freaking out over the Imperial Throne breaking, so much so they attempt assistance with xenos. So... fluff seems very scattered on the Emperor's status. Oh, it's definitely breaking, and things aren't looking good for him...but he is still alive. And laughably powerful. You would think priority #1 for Guilliman is "fix dad's chair," but I don't think it's even gotten a mention.

Perturabo worked with Nurgle that one time with machine plagues during a world invasion or something like that, and that's all I can remember about him being linked to Nurgle. Personally I'd rather Perturabo come out as being a daemon prince aligned with the Forge of Souls instead of any of the Big Four. It makes much more sense for him, I think, and would allow GW to by-pass him as being truly undivided like Belakor. The rumours of the Iron Warriors being tied to the emergence of the Obliterator Cult could be explained through relation to the Forge of Souls more readily than Nurgle, as well. It fits in with Perturabo's unwillingness to trust, since the Forge of Souls is more a legal agreement than slavery. I guess what I like least about the idea that Perturabo might be a Nurgle daemon-primarch is that this is a niche filled by Mortarion, and having Perturabo also Nurgle would sort of put him behind in precedence. And that's without even considering how important someone like Typhus is to Nurgle lore. I dread the idea of finally getting a 40k Perturabo only to have him be a second-rate version of another option. Really, any daemon-primarch not one of the cult legions would have this problem. I would also accept Malal/Malice as correct, but the Forge of Souls is the sexiest answer to the problem IMO. Considering I want Perturabo's Daemon model to drop with a combined Dark Mechanicum/Iron Warriors Codex, this idea is awesome to me.

ADB's answers are on reddit, here; https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/7igatt/im_aaron_dembskibowden_ask_me_anything/ Some of my friends keep trying to insist that Lorgar and Perturabo can't be Daemon Princes/Primarchs of Chaos Undivided. Instead they insist that Belakor is the only Daemon Prince of Chaos undivided, and insists that Lorgar is a Daemon Primarch of Tzeentch, and Perturarbo is one of possibly Nurgle. I don't think that's the case, but can't quite disprove the latter. Care to weigh in on the subject? Should Chaos Undivided Daemon Princes be unique to Belakor? Hoo, boy. This is a tough one, because of, well... the whole Berenstain/Berenstein Bears thing. Y'know, the Mandela Effect, etc. Or at least sort of, but not quite. A lot of us came into the hobby in 3rd Edition, and the Chaos Codex of 3.5 was heralded because it gave Legion rules (albeit brief and shallow ones) and a squillion options for Chaos characters. It's well regarded, which is awesome, but it's practically drenched in rose-tinted fan-drool, which is significantly less helpful and not remotely objective. (Andy Chambers' Codex Chaos, the 2nd Edition bad boy, was the Chaos Codex to rival all others, lore-wise. But I digress.) But a lot of us came into the setting when Chaos Undivided meant "Chaos Undecided" as the tedious meme goes, and we think that things like Daemon Princes of Chaos Undivided were "the way it was" and anything since then has changed. That's... debatable. Chaos Undivided, as a concept of several gods uniting for a brief time to make :cuss Go Down, is a relatively rare thing. It's why Be'lakor is special. It's why Abaddon is a big deal. It's the Mark of Chaos Ascendant. That's not just some honour badge or a banner you carry, it's the warp itself crying out to do your merest bidding. Horus didn't even have the Mark of Chaos Ascendant. That's how rare it is. So the short answer is that it wasn't there, then removed. It was put in, then taken out, but the massive influx of fans when it was a thing means they will always see its absence as a change. You get this a lot in the IP, honestly. I've had several conversations that go like this: "I want to do X." "You can't, that's wrong, the lore doesn't go like that." "But it says in these published sources that I'm right. I just want to carry on X and Y and Z." "Yeah, but they were wrong. They were wrong at the time, too. We never directly say they were wrong, we just never mention them again, and eventually counter them in later publications." "But the readers think these things are true." "Sure. But eventually, they won't." IP work is a whole... thing. I love it, but it has its contradictions. For most of its life, 40K couldn't have Daemon Princes of Chaos Undivided. I've been in meetings and lore chats where it was explained to me. Will it flip back? I don't know. I don't think so, and I hope not, as I think it cheapens the lore a little to have it work that way. It's not just a power-up, and it's supposed to be incredibly rare. But I also acknowledge the difficulty of stuff like Lorgar, and the appropriateness of him getting a watered-down version of Abaddon's mark, so... Who knows where it'll go?

Archaon is a daemon prince now ? Last time I've read anything about him, he's like a carbon copy of Abaddon in a fantasy setting. Some extracts were even borderline paraphrasing stuff about Abaddon. The Primarchs "ascension" is the same as any other creature becoming a daemon prince. And since we know no other daemon prince of Chaos Undivided was ever made since Bel'akor, we know there can't be any undivided Chaos Primarch. Becoming a daemon prince / primarch is nothing but merging with the essence of a perticular god, so they necessarily are aligned and invested in the Great Game. Didn't know about Madail, but apparently he's a Daemon, not an ascended mortal, so I suppose Furies_rule of exception = cool applies there, even though I heard Damnation of Pythos wasn't good nor cool at all. The funny thing is that although fluff states that Be'lakor is the only Daemon Prince of Undivided, it also hints pretty strongly that both Lorgar and Perturabo are too. So you can't just say "this is a fact, therefore they can't be that," the fluff is contradictory all the time. I mean, ADB's answer to this question is pretty ambiguous for that reason, and specifically mentions how Lorgar is unique. In my mind, it makes zero sense for Lorgar to be god specific. Perturabo isn't so locked in, but at the same time he too has not shown any inclination to a specific god. I definitely don't want Chaos Undivided Princes to return in general, but allowing only Be'lakor, Lorgar and Perturabo to have that title is fine, they are all sufficiently unique and powerful.