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The classic GW author Ian Watson has passed away. now we must all dissolve our left hands in acid and scrimshank on our skeletons!

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The void isn’t in the rules. It’s in our hearts.

Somebody over on Reddit set out their terrain according to the new maps. Looks pretty decent and dense, although I know the cardboard bases will make some people gasp in horror, but that doesn't seem like anything a bit of PVA and some flock or basing paste won't fix.

Centurions just needed to be upright, not squatted like that Custodes shield captain fellow

@Lord Marshal made a great point about people's nostalgic memories and the actual models, and I believe people miss the artwork more than the reality. Here is a take on a funny meme I remember from some years ago: And...

Can I just say the highlight of this whole experience is watching people complain about generic marines painted as Blood Angels rather than folks complaining about generic marines painted as Ultramarines. We finally get a break

It’s too similar to the jump pack Intercessors. I get making standard marines unique is hard, but GW could have at least made the jump pack more interesting. The current vanguards have a bit of bling on theirs.

I’d just like the game not to be boring, blobby blob vs blobby blob doing actions and card-game inspired combos. I’d like points and the ability to customize my squads as I see fit, not be held to box-locked loadouts. I’d like to move away from the land of architectural alphabet building tournament game boards. I’d like my Admech to not feel like a boardgame army having to for whatever reason keep my battle line next to my other units to confer a bonus (who thought that up? Heretical AI?)… I’d like to play with my toy soldiers and have the game be about heroic deeds, tactical movement and gameplay, a reason to kitbash and convert, and a reason to keep putting time and money into my army because it feels like I have options. I don’t want or need perfect balance or tournament stats. I need hobby and narrative! Just my humble opinion. Praise the Omnissiah and Sanguinius. #NoVanguardArquebus

Before Guilliman had a nap, he composed a Chapter structure that was flexible enough to be used across the Galaxy. He thought big, he knew that in the vast distance of space there was no guarantee a Marine squad would have dedicated anti tank weapons units attached and available. He left knowing that a single Lascannon could make all the difference. But when he awoke, the Rift had warped reality, now tanks have wounds like infantry, single Lascannons are a waste of time and the Galaxy had shrunk to only 4' ×5' . So he adjusted his scope and Chapter structure from dealing with the entire Galaxy down to the size of a tabletop to suit the new reality. He realized specialist units perform better in game than flexible ones, he no longer thought about the big picture, and focused on gameplay. There's a not very hidden message there. Just my 2c.

Love how it's a inspired by the old 2nd edition Grots. Only fitting given the theme of the set.

Thank you @BadgersinHills I do have one last set of photos of the Apothecary before I packed it away to head to Spain for the Charity Raffle.

They claimed that was an intention in 10th edition and then immediately revealed "Oath of Moment" giving Space Marines a moveable source of rerolls.

I think I can say that since I wanted to get the best moulds as possible, this was my first time I did it properly. I made a little frame out of LEGOs to prevent the outside of the mould from expanding, paid attention to the quality of the mould (I used tat Instant Mould thingy that I've mentioned in your thread), redit it a couple of times since the grating on the air intakes had defects. For the notches, I had had an 'easier time' - the size was a benefit this time since it allowed me to cheat. I basically used the drills to get the circular bits done. I wouldn't have been able to achieve this with a blade. You're absolutely right. I also think that it's worth mentioning, that seeing others' work posted online is very entertaining. I probably will. Especially given how much more 'love' you're getting from GW. I mean, it's probably ironic or even outhright wrong to state this. I understand that Chaos has been left hanging for many years by GW and there's not comparing the Chaos ranges and Primaris. I just want to emphasise that the few kits Chaos gets are 'done properly' - they're varied, fun, and somehow feel more like newer versions of old concepts and aesthetics. On the other hand, Primaris are kinda bland. They're a redesign instead of a reimplementation (whatever that means) I'm rubbish too - my only GS 'skill' is copying things with press moulds. I can't properly sculpt and, I think, that these straps on these guys are the best I can do detail-wise. And it's taken me a long, loong time to get here. *** And here are the promised photos. Whole squad: Jump Pack design - as you can see, I've enlarged the air intakes by copying bits from the Firstborn packs and extended them to the sides with plasticard and GS. The sergeant will get a fancy aquila. And now for the individual models: Please note the melta bomb, a homage to DoW2 and the old Assault Squad lode-outs. With the guy below, it seems that GW cheated a bit with the knee pad; after removing it, there was a huge gap - something that I haven't experienced before with these sorts of modifications. I decided to add some ribbing. With the seargeant, the final position of the arms may be slightly different - they're tacked on at the moment. I also decided to slightly rotate the power first to get a better angle. Please note that I've added a pistol handle to the holster to... that's a bit pedantic but somehow him not having a gun (with a shield in one hand and a huge fist being the other one) bothered me. And the inside of the shield - it's way more messy than the front:

Far from going away Legends should be better supported and integrated. Sadly I think GW is focused on the competitive scene these days. I miss when GW had the attitude that 40k was a 'beer and pretzels' game to be played with friends rather than tournaments being everything.

I didn’t realise quite how long ago I started this thread! Anywhere, here’s the latest addition - a Vostroyan Lord Marshall kit-bash / conversion. C&C very welcome. Cheers, Lorr

Surely no one actually really thinks the old attack bike was worse than the ATV?! The attack bike was basically a standard space marine bike, a design that was well received, with a heavy weapon sidecar added on. Inspired by a WW2 motorbike/sidecar combo. Hardly anything wrong with it, a design lineage that came from the original RT bikes. Meanwhile the ATV is an absolute mess of a design with no similarity to the Outrider bikes it goes with, or any other marine vehicle. Maybe the intent was something like the warthog in Halo, but the end result was a Mario Kart reject. The outrider bikes look like an update of the previous marine bike, should have done the same with the attack bike. Maybe they will with the rumoured upcoming multi-part outriders.

Well in spite of a busy week I’ve managed to find time to finish my latest rendition of Lord Marshal Dreir! In my head canon he’s actually Marshal Marius Konstantin, leader of the now reformed 3rd Krieg Siege Regiment. I’ve really enjoyed working on such a beautiful sculpt (especially with the head and torso swap) So much so in fact I’ll be painting my Deathriders! Here’s the pics: Krieg Lord Marshal Dreir Krieg Lord Marshal Dreir Krieg Lord Marshal Dreir Krieg Lord Marshal Dreir Krieg Lord Marshal Dreir Can’t wait to get started on the Deathriders! Thanks for looking.

In happier news, the Great Tyranid Biophage of April 2026 encouraged me to actually start on them again. Finished off the Termagants earlier today:

Legends is literally the lowest bar to cross for supporting casual games of warhammer 40k and should get more support, not less

... do we need gravis at all?

Cheers chaps. Brought the Hormagaunts up to 10 now...game-legal, more or less. Got to push to get them to 20. Starting to get a bit gaunt'ed out!

Zaaaap.

The dice do tell stories. The same, predictable, homogeneous, safe stories across all armies and all factions. Let me clarify something just in case you mis-understand my position; I do value balance in the game, and I have played 40k competitively in the past. I've even faced off against International teams and top players at Majors. I simply don't value the pursuit of balance at the expense of everything else. I recognise that the game is in a better state now, and the gap between the best and worst army is smaller. My complaint is that when I look back on every edition of warhammer that I've played, all the way back to 3rd, I consider current 40k to be the most dull and predictable that I have experienced. -Do I want the game to be less balanced? No. -Do I want the game to be more exciting? Absolutely! -Can they achieve one without adversely affecting the other? Probably not. -Should balance take priority over fun? I don't think so! --- Edit: Just to add, I fully intend on getting back into competitive 40k in the near future. I've scaled back my hobby time as I have a young child and my wife is not currently working, so I have a lot on my plate for the time being. The few games that I have played over the last year have thoroughly disappointed me, and I was even more let down by the new edition of Horus Heresy, but this isn't the place to complain about that! 40k isn't a bad game in it's current state, and it's still the most expansive tabletop wargame ever. I just know that it used to be more fun, even if at the that time it had other significant problems.

"Emp's namenz is Death." YMMV, but Space Marine and the Inquisition War trilogy are the epitome of 40k fiction for me.

It's a tabard/loincloth. Painting it black was not the best choice IMHO.

TITH I became a true hobby veteran, crossing a milestone all the most dedicated must cross. Specifically, I grabbed the wrong cup and took a mouthfull of paintwater.

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Who needs the new box when you have etb eradicators and spare heavy bolters?

IMO Legends should simply be the place people finds rules for stuff that no longer has a model due to it being discontinued for whatever reason, heck I would even expand it to cover all shorts of models that are no longer a thing from previous editions no matter how old they are, it should be a rules archive so people that happens to have one of this old models has an official way of using them, not the death row it is now.

Limbo is fine. In fact I am extremely appreciative to GW for it. When Tacticals and Razorbacks go Legends ~75% of the units in my 16,000 point Marine army will be Legends. When the other rhino chassis vehicles do it will be >90%. Whilst I understand your opinion, I like having rules for casual games for my guys. It's an online resource which costs GW next to nothing to continue, and it doesn't negatively impact on anyone. Wanting it to go away seems like gatekeeping.

Ok, but Legends do exist. And because they exist, I want them to be handled to the same standard as they are in AoS.

John Armageddon himself.

Amazing that you're even saying something like this. Imagine if the sort of Primaris shake up happened to the Craftworld Eldar. Imagine if all the current designs started slowly getting phased out in favour of the current crop of Corsair kits or a new Ynnari aesthetic. Would you say the same thing to the people who like the old Aspect Warriors in that scenario? You act as if people being more discerning about the faction they picked years ago is some sort of insult pointed directly at you. You're entitled to your opinion, but often times your posts feel like you personally made it your task to make a "BUT I LIKE IT" type post every time someone expressed even the slightest bit of dislike towards a new release or even just a preference for an older design.

I think that we’re allowed to have some crazy looking inquisitors knocking around, especially as one of their features is often how strange and disconnected from the imperium they often look. I don’t see anyone else wearing witch hunter hats in my guard army, or any of my space marines running around with Eldar pistols or little dragons on their arm either. I always thought the entire point was that they were supposed to represent the disconnected aristocracy who thinks they’re above everyone else, which is why visually they’re so apart from other models.

Ok I will finish these guys this week! Even if it kills me

That's not what they said though. Some random is good and leads to stories, too much random is bad. GWs attitude in 6/7th ed was that random was fun, with random psykers, warlords traits etc, now their view supported by the tourney elites is that consistent is fun, and they have stripped back the effect of dice on the game through WS2+ and rerolls, to the point where you don't need to bother actually rolling sometimes. The comparative WS formerly used, and still used in heresy was a more fun and engaging system - there's no way a guardsman should have a 50/50 chance of landing a hit on Jain zar - but when they do manage to overcome the odds, it makes it more memorable. We all remember the time a character managed to get like 4 5+'s to hit and smack down something they had no right to kill, whereas a generic SM captains effectively guaranteed hits on a chaos lord is pretty boring - no challenge.

Dont let the actual article stop you from complaining. Not all terrain is L shape, there is no L shape terrain measurements given. Four large rectangles – 7” x 11.5” Two large right-angle triangles – 8” x 11.5” Four medium rectangles – 6” x 4” Two long lines – 10” x 2.5” Four short lines – 6” x 2” You dont have to play with the suggested layout (like always) Tournaments will use the most boring layout for fairness (like always) What a group of miserable people

I wanted to do the reasonable thing and wait with another post till I get everything ready conversion-wise but I'm too frustrated with how long it takes to wait. As such, with this very special frustration-fuelled eagerness, here's a sneak peak of what you can expect of my Assault Squad: And something that I'm particularly happy with, a scratch-built combat shield (the round notches were particularly challenging, but I thing I managed to get them right): Disclaimer: I'm quite happy with how these guys turned out. For once, I feel like I managed to fully realise the scope of what I had planned for these conversions. The concept included: 1. Enlarging the vents on the jump packs to make them closer to the (frankly superior) Firstborn equivalents. - I didn’t want to use the old jump packs, as I actually prefer the added bulk of the newer ones (the older versions, for whatever reason, look a bit off on Primaris bodies). - Even though I’m not a big fan of the new design, I wanted to maintain some visual consistency across the force—especially elements like the round component on the back of the pack, as well as the additional nozzles and wings—in case I expand the squad with more jump pack Primaris in the future. 2. Avoiding the heel-mounted nozzles, which I find both impractical-looking and, frankly, a bit silly. 3. Adding harnesses—this turned out to be the most challenging and time-consuming part of the project. 4. Modifying the knees/greaves to introduce more variety, which was especially important since these are ETB minis with some repeated poses. 5. Altering the abdominal armour on some of the marines. 6. Building a sergeant with a power fist and combat shield as a homage to the first Assault Squad I ever bought (from the SM Battleforce). *** Once again, let me emphasise: I’m really excited to share these minis with you. I just need a bit more time for the last batch of GS work to cure before I can take proper photos. Now that the project is essentially finished, I’m happy with how it turned out. As usual, though, there were some frustrations along the way. I have to admit that these attempts at “fixing Primaris” and doing GW’s work for them are pretty draining. It took me three full hobby days to do everything I had planned, and despite the cool end result, the process itself felt rather unrewarding. In trying to make the minis look cooler (i.e. the way I think they should have looked in the first place), I ended up cutting into expensive plastic, compromising on detail in some areas, and sinking hours into the process. What really caught me off guard was how tedious the abdominal armour modifications turned out to be. I’m apparently just not quite skilled enough for this kind of fine, fiddly work - and the end result is a bit rough in places, too. The bottom line is this: I think I’m getting too old for this kind of approach and need to re-evaluate my priorities in the hobby. So, I’m making a personal vow here (and you’re all my witnesses): no more conversion-heavy projects like this in the future. I’ll limit modifications to the bare minimum—mostly leg armour tweaks and very simple kitbashes for a single squad (basically the Space Wolves approach)—and focus instead on the part of the hobby I actually enjoy the most: painting. As a final complaint, it’s frustrating that I’ve ended up in a similar situation for the second time—stuck with models that feel “outdated.” The first time was with my Firstborn Marines. Now, I'm stuck with a bunch of MkX Marines. As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, it sucks to be a loyalist. The modern CSM kits are so much more varied and fun than the standard MkX that's virtually identical across the range.

Gonna be honest, he doesn't look very 'veterany' to me aside from the paint job. Crux on the helmet, shoulder pad and knee with a little detail.... and that's it? The old vanguard veterans ooozed with detail, showing you that they were battleworn and honoured astartes of hundreds of battles and campaigns. This guy ooozes 'we have vanguard veterans at home' vibes.

Sternguard shouldn’t be suicide squads. That was always part of the problem

Raven Guard Eliminators. Unknown squad of the unknown company.

I'm not surprised the Firstborn are being dumped, if it wasn't for brand recognition I think the term space marine would have been dropped in favour of Primaris at launch and they would be reconned to always have been Primaris. But this is the reason I think that veteran players should seriously look at playing other editions and not just going with the official current edition treadmill nonsense. They are your miniatures and how you play with them is up to you otherwise you will be eternally caught in the cycle of get excited for new product, buy new product, put new product in the pile of shame and then get excited about the next new product which will get legended in favour of even newer new product. No one should be shocked by this by now.

On the one hand, I will be somewhat sad to see Rhinos etc go. (as in, I'm not going to ever stop running Rhino chassis tanks, box dreads etc. no matter their official status- to me, they are what Space Marines are; I've never bought a Primaris vehicle and I never will. Not because of "hatred" or anything silly like that, it's just a product that I have zero interest in). OTOH, it's been nine years. Things change and many, many products in this world aren't kept around for the amount of time that even the newer firstborn kits have had (whether we're talking miniatures, games or any other type of product). Of course, I feel there should be support for these kits, but I also think it is fundamentally an unrealistic expectation to feel like we're entitled to everything sticking around forever. That's just not how the world we live in works. However, if, like me, you're of the opinion that Space Marines have a fundamental identity (both lore- and looks-wise) that you're not interested in moving on from, remember that you can just not do that. Even if you can never, ever get anything but a pickup game, it's not like proxying and counts-as ïs not an option. I also feel like it should be said that yes, people get annoyed when things change, but before Primaris we had a lot of people complaining that things were getting stagnant in both the lore and the model range. You can argue that it was a "monkey's paw" kinda thing and this is not what people really wanted, but realistically speaking, it's simply not possible to please every customer group at the same time - and in the world we live in, new product will always trump everything else, so they pick the option they think will sell the most new stuff. Does it suck? Yeah, it kinda does, but it is a business to them and a hobby to us and expecting different is merely the second step on the road to disappointment. Finally, if you love firstborn, I sincerely hope you have what you need at this point, because it's not like there hasn't been (and still are) any opportunities to buy this stuff. That's not a dig at anyone who prefers the firstborn aesthetic either; I am firmly in the "we don't talk about Primaris" camp myself and I'm never going to start pretending hover tanks are actually as cool as Rhinos.

It sure looks like you have things planned out. Good for you - I think it's a very healthy approach to the hobby. As an aside: As a hobbyist who was active during 5th/6th edition and skipped most of the changes of upheavals post 8th edition, I still struggle to adapt to the 'new norm' where many kits' availability is limited and the pace of turnaround is breakneck, given my progress. Back in the day, I never struggled to get the kits I wanted and the shelf-life of products appeared to be longer (or even indefinite). Now, things are clearly different: characters locked in boxes or available later for quite ridiculous prices, discount boxes being limited runs etc. And there's this inherent pressure to this: get things now with a discount or risk missing them out entirely or having to pay full prices. I find this "new GW landscape" quite frustrating. And it's great that I'm not in the hobby loop since I find myself very prone to these kinds of addictions :D It seems we have a very similar approach to the hobby. These are my thoughts and plans, too. I'm quite happy to get the new speeder, though. *** In terms of staying on-topic within this subforum, here's some actual work in progress. The botched squad markings after my first attempt: And after an attempt to refine them without resorting to painting them from scratch: I now regret not having taken a 'before' photo of the other pads, but here are the finished ones with the chapter symbol: These are also a great example of my limited imagination/foresight. Initially, I planned to paint the blue cross on top of the yellow stripe and... it turned out the that there wasn't enough contrast between the two bright colours. That's why I decided to put more work into these and paint a purple line/border to help set the crosses of from the yellow stripe. I think I got it right in the end but, frankly, I should've thought about it beforehand.

Iron Warriors players don't really need four "blank" pauldrons though - Legionaries, Havocs, etc come with plenty of them already. Whereas sculpted hazard stripes/chevrons could have been useful to someone.

Remember that 40k happens in the milky way, which according to current estimations may have 100 to 400 billion planets in it. There is plenty of space for outrageous alien fauna for a single, probably radical, inquisitor to use in utterly hypocritical ways. It being unusual and out of place looking in an imperial setting and army may just be the point.

Getting back to the hobby bench after some time, and finally finished off a SA Malcador that has become one of my favourite completed miniatures ever, I think. First time using weathering pigments as well. Some detail shots here.

Even when they do chapter weapons, there's barely much decoration on them either. Like for BT there's both Crusaders and Swordbrethren elites. Both can use heavy bolt pistols and chainswords, so both kits have access to them, with the added detail that they're chained to the wielders arm. Yet the weapons themselves are completely bare of any ornamentation. Not a single cross sculpted on any of them. Heck, even Grimaldus' plasma pistol is the exact standard one, just with a chain link to his arm. To link back to the veteran vanguard, the classic vanguard did this for their bolt pistols: Maybe they're afraid to overdo it, but I feel like they land on "do nothing" with the weapons, way way too often.

Squad of Plague Marines! Whew, that was a lot of trim! Can't wait to dive back into my Thousand Sons...