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Hi Folks, While chating in the Amicus Aedes forum, @TheArtilleryman raised a point about impact of time on army sizes, model counts and point values. The topic is large and may require an overview of arguments and opinions shared in the tread there: One of the points raised is the one of recreating old WD Bat Reps and how we evaluate the impact of the various Editions and their evolutions on the posibility to recreate these in a satisfying way. From time to time, WD gets such articles of recreating BatReps; "Battle at Glazer Creeck" comes to my mind. My own experience on the topis has been rather limited and is not that recent. Indeed it touches a recreation of "Heretic" a BatREp focussing on the first "Apoc" games editions ago. And the recreation was not that recent as it was based on 9th Ed rules early in its life cycle. I could extrapolate and explain a lot about this experience, but it would be certainly end up close to a fake report as my memory lost most of the details. Years have passed. I blurrily remind me of a boring game at the time. I fielded at SM side with my SW and it ended up being a full deroute. Today I am tempted to put the blame on my poor deployment and on the table top scenery setting. But it might as well be for rules distortions between the 40k with Apoc rules from the WD and 9th Ed rules. I do not know. Yet latter in the night, the question of what would be the point values of the 2 armies under today´s point costs raised. I have been hooked and I spent some little time going over the internet, looking for pics of the WD involved to recreated the roosters on a Model-per-Model basis. An excel table speadsheet and after revising costs in the Munitorum Field Manual Rev. 2.0 and Legends Field Manual Rev. 1.9, and here we are: ASTRA MILITARUM - INDEX Unit # Pts value Subtotal Codex or Index Primaris psyker 1 60 60 AM Leman russes 7 170 1190 AM Chimeras 1 85 85 WM Demolishers (Tank Commanders) 2 225 450 AM Ogryns 1 130 130 AM Rough riders 2 60 120 AM HW team 2 50 100 AM Command squad 2 65 130 AM Infantery squad 1 60 60 AM Total 2325 pts SPACE MARINE PARTY - CODICES, INDEX SW & LEGENDS Unit # Pts value Subtotal Codex or Index Predators destructor 4 130 520 SM Predator anihilator 1 130 130 SM Razorbacks 3 95 285 SM Speeders tornados 3 95 285 Legend Whirlwind 1 180 180 SM Rhinos 6 75 450 SM Sentry guns 2 60 120 Legend Techmarine 1 55 55 SM Captain 1 80 80 SM Librarian 1 65 65 SM Sanguinary priest 1 90 90 BA Medic on bike 1 65 65 Legend Chaplain 1 60 60 SM Attack bike 1 55 55 Legend Death company 1 250 250 Legend Tactical 1 10 10 SM Blood Claw 1 140 140 SW DW termies 1 180 180 DA Total 3020 pts Armies are probably illegals. SM for sure. But it does not matter. It is a scenario afterall, so you do what you want. Uder todays ruels their structure would be questionnable too. Sais this, on the paper, Astartes get a bigger point value in their mustered forces. Yet, they do still look like being a little bit outgunned by the AM to me adn over poulated in useless models (6 rhinos... Gosh). But it might be worth giving it a second view as the games mechanics changed so much that it is possible it is less impactful today: including mechanisms with Objectives would be probably give more consistency and depth to the game trathe than the Victory Points for elimination of units as it used to be. I still believe the AM might be a tad favoured by the scenario though and as LR compare better in respect of SM Predator tanks... Lack of infantery in the AM army might however be quite tricky for controlling objectives if the scenario is reworked to fit better to today´s core rules. What do you think?