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so this is me... gritting my teeth and putting up with ravenwing much to my disagreement, not without compromise but i still have point leftover so if anyone has any ideas, i will hear them out. currently thats a total of 211pts to spend still battalion detachment, dark angels, 2000pts relics of the chapter -1 cp HQ: rhino primaris (94) sammael, (150) (warlord and so brilliant strategist) troops: 1x5 assault intercessors, sgt with hand flamer and power sword (105) 1x5 intercessors (100) 1x5 intercessors, sgt with power sword (105) fast: 1x6 bike squad, sgt with power sword, 1 plasma gun (195) 1x3 inceptors (120) elite: contemptor dreadnaught, multi melta 1x5 deathwing terminators, cml, 2 th/ss, th/ss sgt, 1 cf (230) ravenwing apothecary, angels ambit (100) ravenwing champion, chapter champion, artificers armor heavy: 1x3 eradicator squad (120) gladiator reaper, autolaunchers (235)

Hello everyone, Getting back into the game, looking to start DA for a more in-your-face style of play to go with my Astra Militarum's backfield firepower. I've come up with the following, but I'm torn on how to spend the remaining 70 pts. The general tactic is speed on the Ravenwing to strike isolated elements of the enemy force pivoting around an anchor of Deathwing holding the center, tarpitting anything big the opponent I'm also trying to keep it reasonably fluffy, with the idea that this is a fallen-hunting force. Ravenwing Outrider Detachment HQ: Capitan on Bike - TH/SS - Reliquary of the Repentant - Warlord: Fury of the Lion - 130 Talonmaster - 160 Elites: Ravenwing Black Knights x5, Corvus Hammer x5 - 225 Fast Attack Bike Squad, 2x chainsword, 2x plasma gun, combi-plasma - 180 Bike Squad, 2x chainsword, 2x plasma gun, combi-plasma - 180 Bike Squad, 2x chainsword, 2x plasma gun, combi-plasma - 180 Land speeder Vengeance - 120 Deathwing Vanguard detachment HQ: Interigator-Chaplain - Jump Pack, catechism of fire - 110 Librarian in terminator armor - 105 Elites: 5x deathwing knights, watcher in the dark - 240 5x SB deathwing terminators - 185 Ravenwing apothicary - chief apothicary, hero of the chapter (selfless healer) - 115

Hi! Lacking enough vanilla bikes to justify taking a ravenwing detachment, I think this is the best I can do now. Any suggestions on what to get to improve the list is appreciated. I'm a bit into relic termies due to the obsec and looking cool. I've tried to compensate for the lack of obsec with both rites of war and steadfast example. (they should also stack if I'm correct?) I also tried to compensate for the lack of a chaplain with the WL trait decisive tactician so the termies get a slightly better charge. Any feedback is appreciated, I've only played 9th at the very release, then covid struck again.. ++ Vanguard Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [89 PL, 9CP, 1,995pts] ++ Deathwing Vanguard Detachment + Stratagems [-1CP] + Stratagem: Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics [-1CP] + No Force Org Slot [12 PL, -1CP, 235pts] + Deathwing Ancient [6 PL, -1CP, 120pts]: Chapter Command: Chapter Ancient [1 PL, 20pts], Pennant of the Fallen, Steadfast Example, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter [-1CP] . Powerfist and Storm Bolter: Power fist, Storm bolter Ravenwing Apothecary [6 PL, 115pts]: Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary [1 PL, 15pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Reliquary of the Repentant . Black Knight Bike: Astartes grenade launcher + HQ [16 PL, -1CP, 320pts] + Sammael 150pts Lieutenant(s) [16 PL, -1CP, 320pts] . Ravenwing Talonmaster [8 PL, -1CP, 160pts]: 5. Decisive Tactician (Aura), Power sword, Rites of War, Stratagem: Paragon of the Chapter [-1CP], Twin assault cannon, Twin heavy bolter, Warlord . Ravenwing Talonmaster [8 PL, 160pts]: Power sword, Twin assault cannon, Twin heavy bolter + Elites [61 PL, 1,290pts] + Deathwing Command Squad [4 PL, 70pts] . Deathwing Sergeant [35pts]: Lightning Claw (Pair) . Deathwing Terminator [35pts]: Lightning Claw (Pair) Deathwing Knights [11 PL, 240pts] . 4x Deathwing Knight [188pts]: 4x Mace of Absolution, 4x Storm shield . Knight Master [47pts]: Flail of the Unforgiven, Storm shield Watcher in the Dark [5pts] Deathwing Terminator Squad [18 PL, 425pts]: (=10 w/2 cyclone) . Deathwing Sergeant [33pts] . . Storm Bolter & Power Sword: Power sword, Storm bolter . Deathwing Terminator [38pts] . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist [5pts]: Power fist [5pts], Storm bolter . Deathwing Terminator [38pts] . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist [5pts]: Power fist [5pts], Storm bolter . Deathwing Terminator [38pts] . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist [5pts]: Power fist [5pts], Storm bolter . Deathwing Terminator [38pts] . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist [5pts]: Power fist [5pts], Storm bolter . Deathwing Terminator [38pts] . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist [5pts]: Power fist [5pts], Storm bolter . Deathwing Terminator [38pts] . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist [5pts]: Power fist [5pts], Storm bolter . Deathwing Terminator [38pts] . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist [5pts]: Power fist [5pts], Storm bolter . Deathwing Terminator [63pts] . . Cyclone Missile Launcher, Storm Bolter, Power Fist [30pts]: Cyclone missile launcher [25pts], Power fist [5pts], Storm bolter . Deathwing Terminator [63pts] . . Cyclone Missile Launcher, Storm Bolter, Power Fist [30pts]: Cyclone missile launcher [25pts], Power fist [5pts], Storm bolter Ravenwing Black Knights [12 PL, 225pts] . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . Ravenwing Huntmaster [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon Ravenwing Black Knights [6 PL, 135pts] . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . Ravenwing Huntmaster [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon Redemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 195pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Heavy flamer, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Icarus Rocket Pod [5pts], Redemptor Fist, Rites of Initiation [1 PL, 15pts]

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [37 PL, 750pts, 4CP] ++ Stratagem: Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics: 1 + HQ + Captain [6 PL, 115pts]: Heavenfall Blade, Jump Pack, Master-crafted boltgun, Rites of War, Warlord Librarian [6 PL, 115pts, -1CP]: Veil of Time, Righteous Repugnance, Artificer Armour, Bolt pistol, Force sword, Jump Pack, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter: Decisive Tactician (Aura) + Troops + Tactical Squad [10 PL, 200pts] . 8x Space Marine: 8x Bolt pistol, 8x Boltgun, 8x Frag & Krak grenades . Sergeant: Astartes Chainsword, Plasma pistol . Heavy Weapon: Plasma cannon + Elites + Deathwing Terminator Squad [9 PL, 185pts] . Deathwing Sergeant: Storm Bolter & Power Sword . 3x Deathwing Terminator: Storm Bolter & Power Fist . Deathwing Terminator: Storm Bolter & Chainfist Ravenwing Black Knights [6 PL, 135pts] .2x Ravenwing Black Knight: Corvus Hammer . Ravenwing Huntmaster: Corvus Hammer ++ Total: [37 PL, 4CP, 750pts] ++

Hey guys! Just dropping by to share this list, that I will be using for a random game against a Death Guard player this afternoon. It's going to be at 1000 points, and although the scenario itself has not been decided yet, I have this list ready to take on the chaos forces. The theme of which is Greenwing infantry formations. 1000 Points 5 CP (-1 for Hero of the Chapter) HQs Librarian + Force Sword, Bolt Pistol + Chief Librarian + Wardlord: Psychic Mastery + Smite, Trephination, Aversion Interrogator-Chaplain + Crozius Arcanum, Bolt Pistol + Catechism of Fire TROOPS 5-man Tactical Squad + Astartes Chainsword and Combi Plasma, Plasma Gun 5-man Tactical Squad + Astartes Chainsword and Combi Plasma, Plasma Gun 5-man Tactical Squad + Astartes Chainsword and Combi Plasma, Plasma Gun ELITES Apothecary + Chief Apothecary + Hero of the Chapter: Selfless Healer Venerable Dreadnought + Close Combat Weapon, Storm Bolter, Multi Melta HEAVY SUPPORT 10-man Devastator Squad + Plasma Cannon, Plasma Cannon, Plasma Cannon, Heavy Bolter + Armorium Cherub The idea behind the list is simple. The bulk of the army marches forward. With the Dreadnought granting to-hit rerolls for the overcharged plasma guns and combi plasmas, the apothecary granting a 6+++ for the squads to have more survivability, and the librarian using 4+ Smites and Trephinations to act as a Mortal Wounds dealer. The Dread can also add some anti armor against Demon Engines, which I am sure he will bring. Meanwhile, the Devastators act as back-field holders, while they use not-overcharged plasma at a +1 to wound through litanies, to try and clear the field, as well as the heavy bolter as a secondary source of Mortal Wounds. They can either hold still for a BS2+, or use Steady Advance to reposition and keep their 2+. Their Blast characteristic should be useful to deal with Pox Walkers, in particular, to clear the field. The only thing I am undecided yet, is on what relic to take. I honestly do not know what relic would be most useful for this. Maybe the Neural Shroud for the Chief Librarian?

Good Morning BNC. Looking at joining a Crusade at my local gaming store and am torn between the following. 50PL to Start the new and exciting Crusade rules. Being a DA player for almost 2 decades here's my ideas stepping into the new era of 9th. List 1: Deathwing Vanguard HQ: 5PL Interrogator Chaplain /w Powerfist and Plasma Pistol Elites: 28PL Deathwing Knights x5: /w Watcher in the dark Deathwing Terminator Squad x5: Sgt PS/SB, 1x Assault Cannon and Chainfist, 3x SB/PF /w Watcher in the dark Dreadnought: Rites of Initiation; DCCW & HF, Multimelta Heavy Support: 17PL Landraider Crusader: Rites of Initiation, SB, Multimelta,Hunter Killer Missile List 2: Tri Wing HQ: 15 PL Captain; Combi-Plasma & Relic Blade Interrogator Chaplain: /w Powerfist and Plasma Pistol Librarian: Force Sword & Plasma Pistol Troops: 10PL Tactical Marines x5: 1x Lascannon, PS/PP Sgt Tactical Marines x5: 1x Plasmacannon, PS/PP Sgt ELITES: 17 PL Venerable Dreadnought: DCCW & HF, Twin Lascannon Deathwing Terminator Squad x5: Sgt PS/SB, 1x Assault Cannon and Chainfist, 3x SB/PF /w Watcher in the dark Fast Attack: 7PL Bike Squad: Sgt /w PS, 1x Plasma gun, 1x Chainsword List 3: Green Armour HQ: 10PL Captain; Combi-Plasma & Relic Blade Interrogator Chaplain: /w Powerfist and Plasma Pistol Troops: 10PL Tactical Marines x5: 1x Plasma Gun, PS/PP Sgt Tactical Marines x5: 1x Plasma Gun, PS/PP Sgt Elites: 9PL Deathwing Terminator Squad x5: Sgt PS/SB, 1x Assault Cannon and Chainfist, 3x SB/PF /w Watcher in the dark Heavy Support:9PL Predator Anhilator: Two Lascannons, SB, HKM Dedicated Transport: 12PL Razorback: Twin Assaultcannon, SB, HKM Razorback: Twin Assaultcannon, SB, HKM ————— I'm throwing them out here as I am torn the route id like to go with. Now, these will be my first games of Crusade play as well as still early play of 9th. Question - Can you spend RP for Character Upgrades before first battle? (Warlord Traits, Warhead, etc) or is it after the battle you can spend RP? Strats List 1: pretty straight forward in terms of using LRC/Knights as a hammer and anvil backed up by the chappy. Dread and Terminators will back up on objectives. An Elite Durable Force is the idea. List 2: adds in the librarian for terromancy and captain for rerolls. Raven wing for speed overall shooting for a balanced approach. List 3: Armoured force running up the board with heavier firing platforms hoping to lay down turn 1 offensive. I can link battle scribe when not on my mobile phone. However Battle scribe dosent have an actual army roster sheet yet.

Thinking about pulling together some Primaris additions to my DA. Does anyone use transports for their Primaris Dark Angels these days or do people just foot slog it across the board? Not looking to win tournaments, just a fun, thematic all Primaris DA list, anyone have any thoughts? Thanks all. ++ Outrider Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [27 PL, 610pts, 12CP] ++ + Configuration + **Chapter Selection**: Dark Angels Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost [-3CP] Ravenwing Outrider Detachment [3CP] + HQ + Primaris Chaplain on Bike [7 PL, 140pts]: 2. Fury of the Lion (Aura), 4. Mantra of Strength, 6. Canticle of Hate (Aura), Benediction of Fury, Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Warlord, Wise Orator + Fast Attack + Invader ATV Squad [4 PL, 85pts] . Invader ATV: Multi-melta Invader ATV Squad [4 PL, 85pts] . Invader ATV: Multi-melta Outrider Squad [6 PL, 150pts]: Outrider Sgt . 2x Outrider: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Twin Bolt rifle Outrider Squad [6 PL, 150pts]: Outrider Sgt . 2x Outrider: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Twin Bolt rifle ++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [71 PL, 1,390pts, -5CP] ++ + Configuration + **Chapter Selection**: Dark Angels Detachment Command Cost [-2CP] + Stratagems + Stratagem: Relics of the Chapter [-2CP]: 2x Number of Extra Relics + HQ + Primaris Captain [6 PL, 120pts, -1CP]: 3. Calibanite Knight, Eye of the Unseen, Rites of Initiation, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter . Heavy bolt pistol, Master-crafted power sword and Relic shield: Master-crafted power sword, Relic Shield Primaris Librarian [5 PL, 95pts]: 2) Aversion, 3) Righteous Repugnance + Troops + Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]: Bolt rifle . 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades . Intercessor Sergeant: Astartes Chainsword Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]: Bolt rifle . 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades . Intercessor Sergeant: Astartes Chainsword + Elites + Bladeguard Ancient [5 PL, 85pts]: Pennant of Remembrance Bladeguard Veteran Squad [10 PL, 175pts] . 4x Bladeguard Veteran: 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 4x Master-crafted power sword, 4x Storm Shield . Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant: Heavy Bolt Pistol + Heavy Support + Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 120pts]: Las Fusil . Eliminator Sergeant: Las Fusil . 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades Repulsor [16 PL, 325pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Auto Launchers, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Twin lascannon + Dedicated Transport + Impulsor [7 PL, 135pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Bellicatus Missile Array, Ironhail Heavy Stubber Impulsor [7 PL, 135pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Bellicatus Missile Array, Ironhail Heavy Stubber ++ Total: [98 PL, 7CP, 2,000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe

I don't think Battlescribe has worked out the Command Points correctly. But here goes my first attempt for a 9th Edition Deathwing list. ++ Vanguard Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [49 PL, 10CP, 1,055pts] ++ + Configuration + **Chapter Selection**: Dark Angels Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost [-3CP] + HQ + Azrael [8 PL, 2CP, 170pts]: 1. Brilliant Strategist, Warlord Ezekiel [7 PL, 125pts]: 1) Mind Worm, 2) Aversion, 3) Righteous Repugnance + Elites + Deathwing Ancient [6 PL, 125pts]: Chapter Command: Chapter Ancient, Lightning Claw (Pair), Pennant of Remembrance Deathwing Apothecary [6 PL, -1CP, 115pts]: Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter Deathwing Champion [4 PL, 80pts] Deathwing Terminator Squad [18 PL, 440pts]: Watcher in the Dark . Deathwing Sergeant . . Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield: Thunder hammer . Deathwing Terminator . . Cyclone Missile Launcher, Storm Bolter, Chainfist: Chainfist, Cyclone missile launcher . Deathwing Terminator . . Cyclone Missile Launcher, Storm Bolter, Chainfist: Chainfist, Cyclone missile launcher . Deathwing Terminator . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist: Power fist . Deathwing Terminator . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist: Power fist . Deathwing Terminator . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist: Power fist . Deathwing Terminator . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist: Power fist . Deathwing Terminator . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist: Power fist . Deathwing Terminator . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist: Power fist . Deathwing Terminator . . Storm Bolter & Power Fist: Power fist ++ Vanguard Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [47 PL, -3CP, 945pts] ++ + Configuration + **Chapter Selection**: Dark Angels Detachment Command Cost [-3CP] + HQ + Belial [7 PL, 140pts] . Sword of Silence & Storm Bolter + Elites + Contemptor Dreadnought [9 PL, 165pts]: Multi-melta, Rites of Initiation Contemptor Dreadnought [9 PL, 165pts]: Multi-melta, Rites of Initiation Deathwing Knights [22 PL, 475pts]: Knight Master, Watcher in the Dark . 9x Deathwing Knight: 9x Mace of Absolution, 9x Storm shield ++ Total: [96 PL, 7CP, 2,000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe

Hey everyone! Please, I need help finishing up this 1750 list for an upcoming tournament, please. The point of the list being resilience. Company Master + Jump Pack + Thunder Hammer + Master Crafted Bolter + Rites of Initiation + Warlord: The Imperium's Sword + Paragon of the Chapter (-1CP): Stubborn Tenacity Lieutenant + Jump Pack + Heavenfall Blade + Plasma Pistol + Hero of the Chapter (-1CP): Calibanite Knight 5-man Tactical Squad 5-man Tactical Squad 5-man Tactical Squad 10-man Deathwing Knights Squad Deathwing Ancient + Storm Bolter and Power Fist + Relics of the Chapter (-1CP): Pennant of Remembrance Apothecary 5-man Black Knights Squad 3-man Attack Bikes Squad + Multi Melta + Multi Melta + Multi Melta So far this is a Battalion, with a starting 9CP after stratagems, and is at 1530 points. Leaves me 220 points. I am thinking about maybe: 1) adding my sixth and las Black Knight? For extra firepower and squad size. 2) getting another Tactical Squad? To make two teams of two squads, and spread them out over objectives? 3) bringing in a Darkshroud to guard the bikes? Since I really need them to survive on the board. 4) bringing in a Landspeeder Vengeance for more plasma firepower? Simcce this list does not have that much firepower overall. 5) Something else? Thank you for any advice!

Since it looks like the Deathwing have some fun new rules and might possibly be good on the battlefield for once, I decided to re-do my old Deathwing list and see how it does. It is a terminator themed list, so none of the new Bladeguard guys, and since I rarely use psykers I thought that having it headed by a couple of libbies would be interesting. HQ Librarian in termie armor- Chief Librarian, WT- Psychic Mastery, (Mind Worm, Engulfing Fear, Mind Wipe), combi-melta, force staff Librarian in termie armor- Hero of the Chapter WT- Decisive Tactician, (Aversion, Righteous Repugnance), Master Crafted Weapon- Force Axe, combi-bolter Elite Deathwing Knights- 5 man w/Watcher Deathwing Terminators- 10 man, 2 assault cannons, 2 chainfists, Watcher Relic Terminators- 6 man (Cataphractii), 4 w/combi-bolters and LC, 1 w/heavy flamer and LC, sarge w/grenade harness, chainfist, and combi-bolter Relic Terminators- 5 man (Tartaros), 3 w/combi-bolters and chainfist, 1 w/reaper cannon and chainfist, sarge w/grenade harness, chainfist, and plasma blaster Venerable Dreadnought- Rites of Initiation, twin lascannon, missile launcher Venerable Dreadnought- Rites of Initiation, twin lacannon, DCCW and storm bolter Heavy Support Land Raider- Rites of Initiation, multi-melta, storm bolter Totals- 1989 points, 11 CP Initial thoughts are to combat squad the Deathwing Termies into two five-man squads (one with both assault cannons) and have them be my backfield objective holders. The Chief Librarian and the Cataphractii Relic Termies will be in Deep Strike, waiting to become annoyances by dropping in the center of the board and using the Libby to deny auras/obsec and in general try to disrupt the enemy. The Tartaros termies will jump into the Land Raider and forge up the center while the Dreads attempt to attack the enemy's vehicles. The "combat" libby and the Deathwing Knights deep strike near the biggest threat of the enemy, be that a melee unit or whatever. If nothing else, it should be a fun list to try out, any thoughts?

Based on the reveals from Warhammer-Community, I'm messing with Dark Angels lists. First out of the gate is a Ravenwing Outrider Detachment. I've loved me some Ravenwing since the 4th ed Dex let us take Bike Squads as Troops if we fielded Sammael. This is what I've got so far. Thoughts that went into the list: Sammael and the Talonmasters are in it for the obvious reasons. I wanted to take advantage of Bike Squads being Obsec, hence 3 of them. I gave one 2 flamers and a storm bolter for crowd clearing, one with a trio of meltas for the obvious reasons, and one is currently cheap and cheerful, but may well wind up with some upgrades as I have about 40 points to mess with. Got the great big squad of Black Knights because I love me some Black Knights, and there's not a lot in the game they can't utterly eradicate. The squad of MM Attack Bikes are in there because multimeltas are the new hotness. Got the lone Attack Bike to send out to objectives and/or to score secondaries (Linebreaker comes to mind). The Typhoons can sit on a home objective, and I can hit them with the defensive strat if an opponent directs fire onto them. It doesn't have everything I want. I can't include a Librarian without breaking the Ravenwing Outrider bonus, and I'd wanted to have a Dark Shroud in it. I still do, but I'd have to drop something to get it. It also doesn't really have a good centerpiece model. A Nephilim or a Dark Talon could be that model, but I'm not over enthused with either of the planes at the moment. +++ Ravenwing Outrider 2k (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [95 PL, 8CP, 1,990pts] +++ ++ Outrider Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [95 PL, 8CP, 1,990pts] ++ + Configuration [9CP] + **Chapter Selection** Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [12CP] Detachment Command Cost [-3CP] + HQ [24 PL, 470pts] + Lieutenant(s) [16 PL, 320pts] . . Ravenwing Talonmaster [8 PL, 160pts]: Power sword, Twin assault cannon, Twin heavy bolter . . Ravenwing Talonmaster [8 PL, 160pts]: Power sword, Twin assault cannon, Twin heavy bolter Sammael [8 PL, 150pts]: Bolt pistol, Brilliant Strategist, Frag & Krak grenades, Master-crafted Plasma Cannon, Raven Sword, Twin storm bolter, Warlord + Elites [24 PL, -1CP, 565pts] + Ravenwing Apothecary [6 PL, -1CP, 115pts]: Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary [1 PL, 15pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter [-1CP] . . Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon Ravenwing Black Knights [18 PL, 450pts] . . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . . Ravenwing Black Knight [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon . . Ravenwing Huntmaster [45pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon + Fast Attack [47 PL, 925pts] + Attack Bike Squad [2 PL, 45pts] . . Attack Bike [2 PL, 45pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Heavy bolter, Twin boltgun Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 165pts] . . Attack Bike [2 PL, 55pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Multi-melta [10pts], Twin boltgun . . Attack Bike [2 PL, 55pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Multi-melta [10pts], Twin boltgun . . Attack Bike [2 PL, 55pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Multi-melta [10pts], Twin boltgun Bike Squad [9 PL, 165pts] . . Biker Sergeant [35pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Storm bolter [5pts], Twin boltgun . . 2x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword [60pts]: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Twin boltgun . . Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [35pts]: Flamer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Twin boltgun . . Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [35pts]: Flamer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Twin boltgun Bike Squad [9 PL, 150pts] . . Biker Sergeant [30pts]: Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades, Twin boltgun . . 4x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword [120pts]: 5x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Twin boltgun Bike Squad [9 PL, 180pts] . . Biker Sergeant [40pts]: Combi-melta [10pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Twin boltgun . . 2x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword [60pts]: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Twin boltgun . . Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts], Twin boltgun . . Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts], Twin boltgun Land Speeder Typhoons [12 PL, 220pts] . . Land Speeder Typhoon [6 PL, 110pts]: Heavy bolter, Typhoon missile launcher . . Land Speeder Typhoon [6 PL, 110pts]: Heavy bolter, Typhoon missile launcher Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

My first game with the new Dark Angels codex is coming up in a couple days, gonna be facing my mates blood angles. I wanna make a well rounded list to try out as many stratagems and combos possible. Patrol: HQ - Strikemaster, PS/SS (100) TROOPS - Tactical Squad x5, Melta gun (100) - Tactical Squad x5, Melta gun (100) - Tactical Squad x5, Heavy Bolter (100) ELITES - Deathwing Terminators x5, TH/SS (sgt), Cyclone, rest have SB/PF, Watcher (225) - Ravenwing Black Knights x3, Corvus Hammers (135) FAST ATTACK - Land Speeder Vengeance, Heavy Bolter (120) - Land Speeder Vengeance, Heavy Bolter (120) TOTAL: 1000 Lmk what you think! What WL trait and relic should I slap on the Strikemaster??

What do you guys think of this? I'd probably not deepstrike any terminators and footslog them up the board with the librarians and ancient in tow. Bikes and scouts can disrupt my opponents lines or stay backfield and prevent deepstrikers. Landspeeders and MM attack bikes for decent fire support I've got a pretty decent collection of dark angels at this point. Talon master Chappy in TDA Belial Captain on a bike 5 more terminators 2 Dreadnoughts 5 Black knights and loads of greenwing. Would love to hear your thoughts and also get some advice about secondaries. Vanguard Detachment (9 CP) HQ Librarian in Terminator Armour Combi-Plasma Elites Ravenwing Apothecary Warlord: Selfless healer Chief Apothecary Deathwing Ancient Chapter Ancient Pennant of Remembrance Deathwing Command Squad Deathwing Sergeant - TH/SS Deathwing Terminator - TH/SS Deathwing Terminator Squad (10) Deathwing Sergeant - TH/SS 3x Deathwing Terminator - TH/SS 2x Deathwing Terminator - LC 2x Deathwing Terminator - Cyclone Missile Launcher/SB/PF 2x Deathwing Terminator - SB/PF Deathwing terminator squad (5) Deathwing sergeant - TH/SS 2x Deathwing Terminator - LC 1x Deathwing Terminator- TH/SS 1x Deathwing Terminator- Cyclone missile launcher/TH/SS Outrider detachment HQ Ezekiel Elites 5 Scouts Camo cloaks Fast attack 3 Landspeeder Typhoons 3 Attack bikes 3x MM 3 Ravenwing bikes Flamer 3 Ravenwing bikes Flamer

Looking at an ALL Deathwing 2000pt list, not to be super competitive, just for fun (I expect I'll lose a lot!). I've had to spend a LOT of points on upgrading characters to make it 2000pts, but I guess the first company apothecary/champion/ancient would also be the CHAPTER apothecary/champion/ancient, so it's kinda fluffy. List as follows (I'm not sure it's technically legal anymore, does an ancient count as part of the command squad now?). Vanguard Detachment: HQs Captain in Terminator Armour Warlord - Lay low the mighty Combi Melta Relic Blade Key of Achrabael Librarian in Terminator Armour Storm Bolter Chief Librarian Elites Deathwing Apothecary Chief Apothecary Deathwing Ancient Chapter Ancient Pennant of Remembrance Deathwing Champion Chapter Champion Deathwing Command Squad Deathwing Sergeant - TH/SS Deathwing Terminator - TH/SS Deathwing Knights (5) Knight Master 4x Deathwing Knights Watcher in the Dark Deathwing Knights (5) Knight Master 4x Deathwing Knights Watcher in the Dark Deathwing Terminator Squad (10) Combat Squad 1 Deathwing Sergeant - TH/SS 2x Deathwing Terminator - TH/SS 2x Deathwing Terminator - Lightning Claws Combat Squad 2 2x Deathwing Terminator - Cyclone Missile Launcher/Storm Bolter/Power Fist 1x Deathwing Terminator - Storm Bolter/Chainfist 2x Deathwing Terminator - Storm Bolter/Power Fist Deathwing Terminator Squad (5) Deathwing Sergeant - Power Sword/Storm Bolter Deathwing Terminator - Cyclone Missile Launcher/Storm Bolter/Power Fist Deathwing Terminator - Storm Bolter/Chainfist 2x Deathwing Terminator - Storm Bolter/Power Fist Deathwing Terminator Squad (5) Deathwing Sergeant - Power Sword/Storm Bolter Deathwing Terminator - Cyclone Missile Launcher/Storm Bolter/Power Fist Deathwing Terminator - Storm Bolter/Chainfist 2x Deathwing Terminator - Storm Bolter/Power Fist Anyone have any thoughts? I intend to build and paint them all in one giant batch, except for the characters!

Biker army is super cool, but wondering just how competitve it will be. I am also unsure on how some of the rules work So outrider detachment. I am not sure how successor work with this. If possibe i will take the Rapid Assault & Master Artisan (to stop killing myself with plasma lol) HQ Captain on Bike - Storm Shield - Thunder Hammer - WLT: Champion of Humanity - Relic: Armour Indomitus Talon Master Talon Master Elites 9 Black Knights - 9 Corvius Hammers Ravenwing Appothecary - Master Appothecary - WLT: Selfless Healer Ravenwing Ancient - WLT: Rites of War - Repentant Fast Attack 3 x 5 Bike Squads each with - 3 Bikers - 2 Melta Guns - Attack Bike - Multi-Melta - Sgt - Melta Gun 3 Landspeeder Venegence Basically I start with 9 CP and plan to spam the 4++ strat, weapons of the dark age & targeting guidance (atleast for the 1st couple of turns) The captain is there to give re-roll 1's to the black knights to stop them killing themselves with overcharged plasma, the chaplain will give +1 to wound in both shooting and combat, but if needed will use the strat to give +1 to hit to the black knights. The outriders are usefull to clear hordes, and the bike squads are useful for melta. The landspeeders will sit on backfield objectives, sending the one up the field for targeting guidance. They also seem super good, and help with long range anti-tank. Updated So made this list more legal lol Dropped the 2 outrider units and the chaplain for 2 talon masters and a ancient I did like the outriders as a cheap OS throwaway unit but never mind This starts with 9CP but i could use paragon of the chapter for an extra WLT for the captain, probably imperium sword for 7 S9 D3 attacks against a character with +1 to hit/wound

I was already working with a lot of these core units, but I've tweaked this a bit after seeing yesterday's Art of War match vs Death Guard. Angels of Darkness (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [94 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] Outrider Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) HQ: 160 Ravenwing Talonmaster 160 Ravenwing Talonmaster Fast Attack 155 Attack Bike Squad - 2x Multi-melta - 1x Heavy Bolter 155 Attack Bike Squad - 2x Multi-melta - 1x Heavy Bolter 275 Inceptor Squad - 5x Plasma Inceptors Vanguard Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) HQ 170 Azrael - Warlord - Brilliant Strategist 125 Ezekiel - Mind Worm - Engulfing Fear - Mind Wipe Elites 85 Bladeguard Ancient - Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter - Rites of War - Pennant of Remembrance 80 Deathwing Command Squad - 1x LC (Sergeant) - 1x TH/SS 80 Deathwing Command Squad - 1x LC (Sergeant) - 1x TH/SS 440 Deathwing Terminator Squad (Objective Secured) - 1x LC (Sergeant) - 3x PF/SB - 3x CF/SB - 3x TH/SS - 2x Cyclone Upgrades 115 Ravenwing Apothecary: - Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary - Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter - Selfless Healer - Astartes grenade launcher One thing I'm toying with is swapping Zeke with another librarian with Chief Librarian upgrade (I can move it to the other detachment if need be to keep ObSec on the terminators). I could use this for getting yet another power via relic, and depending on which type I could get a couple more points to sprinkle an extra thudner hammer/watcher.

I've built the following list, I'm a casual Match-play player and my Dangels have been running since the beginning of 8th and, well, it's not been the greatest time for them. With 9th even with Covid completely screwing over the ability to get out and play I'm working on adjusting my list to make use of new units in the 9th ed Marine Codex and our impending supplement. I have almost 300pts spare and am not sure what to add to round it out. I figure some more Anti-armour might be good, but am not sure if the Plasmaceptors and Termies will be enough on their own.... Dank 2020 2000 (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [85 PL, 11CP, 1,715pts] Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels)Configuration**Chapter Selection** Selections: Dark Angels Battle Size Selections: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost HQEzekiel Primaris Chaplain on Bike Selections: 1. Litany of Faith (Aura), 5. Recitation of Focus, Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Rites of War, Warlord Reliquary of the Repentant TroopsIntercessor Squad Selections: Astartes Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle 4x Intercessor Selections: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades Intercessor Sergeant Intercessor Squad Selections: Astartes Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle 4x Intercessor Selections: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades Intercessor Sergeant Intercessor Squad Selections: Astartes Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle 4x Intercessor Selections: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades Intercessor Sergeant Intercessor Squad Selections: Astartes Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle 4x Intercessor Selections: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades Intercessor Sergeant ElitesDeathwing Terminator SquadDeathwing SergeantStorm Bolter & Power Sword Deathwing TerminatorStorm Bolter & Chainfist Selections: Chainfist Deathwing TerminatorStorm Bolter & Chainfist Selections: Chainfist Deathwing TerminatorStorm Bolter & Power Fist Selections: Power fist Deathwing TerminatorAssault cannon, Power Fist Selections: Assault cannon, Power fist Primaris Ancient Ravenwing Apothecary Selections: Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter Black Knight Bike Selections: Plasma Talon Redemptor Dreadnought Selections: 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launchers, Heavy flamer, Macro Plasma Incinerator Fast AttackBike SquadBiker Sergeant Selections: Astartes Chainsword 4x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword Selections: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Twin boltgun Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon Selections: Plasma gun Inceptor Squad Selections: 4x Inceptor, Inceptor Sergeant, Plasma Exterminator x2

++ Outrider Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [22 PL, -3CP, 500pts] ++ + HQ + Primaris Chaplain on Bike: 3. Exhortation of Rage, 3. Outrider, Benediction of Fury, Warlord + Fast Attack + Invader ATV Squad . Invader ATV: Multi-melta Outrider Squad Outrider Squad ++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [74 PL, -2CP, 1,480pts] ++ + HQ + Librarian in Phobos Armour + Troops + Infiltrator Squad: Helix gauntlet . 9x Infiltrator: 9x Bolt pistol, 9x Frag & Krak grenades, 9x Marksman bolt carbine . Infiltrator Sergeant Intercessor Squad : Astartes Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle . 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades . Intercessor Sergeant + Elites + Bladeguard Ancient Bladeguard Veteran Squad . 5x Bladeguard Veteran: 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 5x Master-crafted power sword, 5x Storm Shield . Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant: Heavy Bolt Pistol + Heavy Support + Eradicator Squad: Melta rifle . 2x Eradicator: 2x Bolt pistol . Eradicator Sgt Hellblaster Squad : Assault Plasma Incinerator . 9x Hellblaster: 9x Bolt pistol, 9x Frag & Krak grenades . Hellblaster Sergeant: Plasma pistol + Dedicated Transport + Impulsor : 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Shield Dome Impulsor : 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Shield Dome The plan is that the Outriders rock out T1 to grab objectives, forcing fire on them. Librarian supports the action by hiding in the unit of infiltrators. Infiltrators can be combat squadded to make a second no-drop zone in your deployment zone if needed. The Infiltrators and Outriders hold said objectives until the two Impulsors filled with dakka and fighty goodness arrive to clear out anything that was sent against them. Standard Intercessors provide backfield support, perhaps with a combat squadded Infiltrator squad. Eradicators either rock up with the Bladeguard or outflank depending on circumstances. Thoughts? ++ Total: [96 PL, -5CP, 1,980pts] ++

this is not a competitive list, need to get that done right off the top, but its an interesting loophole that before didnt really fit, but now that we are here may i present to you, how to get super punchy terminators. i also want to apologize in advance for bringing my legends units back, i know you guys dont like it but my love for the excelsior exists beyond the power of words 1 extra relic (-1cp) 1 sgt relic (-1cp) 1 warlord trait (-1cp) patrol detachment: hq: primaris techmarine (90), extra trait brilliant strategist troops: 1x5 intercessors, sgt with chainsword and plasma pistol, relic attonement (105) fast: 1x5 bike squad, 1 plasma gun, sgt with power sword, 3 chainswords (165) 1x5 interceptors, plasma exterminators (275) elite: ravenwing apothecary, chief apothecary, armor indomnitus (115) ravenwing champion, chapter champion, artificers armor (85) heavy: 1x3 eradicators (135) fly: dark talon (210) vanguard detachment hq: land raider excelsior (225), warlord, lay low the mighty, deathwing vehicle elite: 1x5 relic terminators, 4 lightning claws, 1 power sword, 1 grenade hardness, 3 combi bolters, 1 reaper autocanon, 1 plasma blaster (185) 1 redemptor dreadnaught, deathwing vehicle, macro plasma, onslaught gatling cannon, 2 storm bolters, icarus rockets (200) 1x5 deathwing terminators, 3 thunder hammers and shields, 1 chainfist, 1 cyclone missile launcher (220) i have flexibility in how i choose to deploy my terminators, swapping between brawly hammers or slicing claws in the land raider depending on the circumstance and matchup the land raider is legal, he is a character natively, and then he buys deathwing so he is now a deathwing character, i have individual plasma guns all over so if/when the inceptors die i have other units i can drop it on, varying from the intercessors to the champion. they are nowhere near as good but it makes it a lot harder to remove it entirely as a threat from the table by removing the inceptors the dark talon helps soften up targets, basically the core idea is to have the land raider move up, tanking damage with the techmarine following him behind providing repairs, and with a few units like eradicators and intercessors to screen for him. driving up the table along side is the lovely bikes, and i have the inceptors, 1 squad of terminators and a dark talon on the bench as i need them. i have just a good solid list, i have very good to excellent monster hunting power, i have a beefy hq that is really good in a shootout, and rugged enough to survive almost all melee smash foes. i have good elite infantry kill sort of spread around, lots of bodies. my magic defense is a weakness and that i will own up too, but i tend to avoid playing against craftworlds and thousand sons as sort of a reflexive post traumatic experience where magnus single handedly wiped out my entire army once in 7th edition, and i've had quite enough of the craftworld big book of rule lawyering so it was less of an issue anyway. i have also managed to achieved a triple wing list that is kind of wholesome, with 4 units from each wing i think i have a winner here, comments?

Hey guys! I have a fight tomorrow with some 1k points of Canoptek Necrons. My opponent is bringing to bear a Triarch Stalker with Heavy Gauss, some Wraiths, the Cryptek that buffs them, an Overlord with some warriors, and maybe Lych Guard or a group of Immortals. I'm going with the following: PATROL DETACHMENT 1000 points, 6 CP Captain in Jump Pack, with MC Thunder Hammer, and The Imperium's Sword Librarian, with Psychic Fortress and Might of Heroes 5 Tactical Marines 5 Tactical Marines 6 Ravenwing Black Knights Dreadnought, with Assault Cannon and Power Fist 10 Devastators, with 4 Plasma Cannons I'll let you guys know how it goes during the week! This is a rematch from a fight we had last week, in which he player Spyders, Scarabs, Death marks and the Doomstalker, against a list of Command Squad Terminators, Black Knights, a LSV and a Dread, with a TDA Captain. A battle I lost 67 to 76. I plan on winning this time around.