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Challenges have become a mini-game in HH 3.0, an epic duel between 2 characters, even Primarchs...and in 2 cases, even Dreadnoughts. I don't know how it'll turn out, in fact, until dice hit the table, I don't think any of us can say for sure, but wanted to plan for list-building. +++ The Iron-clad: Iron Hands "Prime Advantage" +++ Dreadnoughts, classified as "War Engines", are harder to access in HH 3.0. Iron Hands have a "Prime Advantage" to give them a bonus slot. A Dreadnought that occupies this bonus slot also happens to get the Champion Sub-Type, allowing them to make/take Challenges. You can take a Contemptor, Leviathan, the new Saturnine or, coming in the HH 3.0 Legacies PDF, the Castra Ferrum (Box) Dreadnought. Of these, I currently think (but reserve the right to change my mind and realise I'm an idiot) the Leviathan is the go-to for such purposes. The Saturnine has higher survivability, but only has 2 melee attacks I believe. The Contemptor and Leviathan have 4, and the latter is a tougher nut to crack and has Siege Claws, which when paired give +1 Attack. Pros - it's a Leviathan Dreadnought with Siege Claws. Cons - Dreads only have a Weapon Skill of 4. I think of the boxing coach and commentator, Teddy Atlas, who used to train "Iron" Mike Tyson. He uses this term, the "eraser", for power punches. It's not so much that those fists will erase their opponents from existence, but that they erase all previous mistakes. Like a person could be out-boxed by a finesse fighter for all the rounds, then BAM 1 lucky punch negates all that by a knockout. Often others called it a "puncher's chance". That's kinda how I see a Leviathan with Siege Claws. I think any non-Primarch character will have trouble with a Leviathan as a dance partner. Its points-cost is in the same weight class as Corswain, Sigismund, Lucius Pre-Eternal, Sevatar, etc. It's something I want to do simply because someone has to do this, I mean c'mon...but that doesn't mean I even think it's at all a good idea. No idea which "Gambits" to use, should I have a Transport for this Leviathan Dread like a Tyson Fury walkout, any thoughts? +++ Cassian Draco, the Salamanders Dreadnought +++ The Salamanders have a named character, Cassian Dracos, the old Terran commander of the XVIIIth before Vulkan. He'll be coming in the HH 3.0 Legacies/Legends PDF. He was just a Boxnaught I think, but worth watching out for. +++++ So as I said, this is probably such a bad idea that I got to do it. But please do tell me every pit I'll fall into in advance.