Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted May 13, 2007 Author Share Posted May 13, 2007 Hey man you dont have to change what you have just because I wrote up my ideas first! With over a thousand chapters in the imperium, and nowhere near all of them fully known im sure you can go with it. If anyone does accuse you of plaugurism just let me have at them, ill set them straight! Also Im thinking of dropping the serpent/snake theme, changing my gene-seed to White Scars, just having suitably wierd and wonderfull tattoos (like from the pc game Fable) and making them simply "The Corsairs". Though I dont know if I AM going to do this yet, its just an idea to clear up some of the muddieness around my IA. Also, I am debating whether to use the Chaos SM codex, to represent their diversion from Standard Astartes Codex, as it would also allow me to model some "counts as" pieces of Xenos technology. Like that tzeenchian staff could "count as" an eldar biting blade or somesuch. Just an idea. Tell me what you think guys as this is something im having trouble deciding on this. :blush: Ah the life of an index astartes writer..... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictate Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 DOOO IT! make them the corsairs, it gives you like 10 times the breathing room and it's a much cooler name. DO IT! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted May 13, 2007 Author Share Posted May 13, 2007 hahaha yeah. Thanks man. I suppose I should! What do you think about using the CSM list though? I think it could be a good way to go, but I dont know how widely accepted "counts as" is. Maybe mmmm.... this opens up a few more options.... awsome.... time to get writing! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictate Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 what are you looking for table tactic wise? drop pods seem like something the corsairs would definetely be into, and chaos can't use those. what is it what you wanted from the chaos list? k wait lemme assemble a pros and cons for both lists chaos pros: bikers can move+fire full range plasma more powerful HQ(sorta) more flexible "tactical squads" chaos cons: many of the cooler parts of the list will be difficult to justify limiting yourself due to fluff reasons may cripple you dreads unusable due to fire frenzy loyalist pros: drop pods librarians scouts land speeders TECHMARINES! loyalist cons: can't mix veteran skills as easily as you can with chaos bikes cant move and fire+charge with plasma(also 1 less attack) slightly more limited tactical squads really I think the loyalist list would work much better if you chose your traits well. another VERY feasible option is the space wolves list, if you decide to focus on drop pods then this could work well, the loss of cool psychic powers kinda sucks though. if you want alot of techmarines in your army then dark angels might be a good list too, you can have 6 of em. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted May 13, 2007 Author Share Posted May 13, 2007 Mmmm... good points all round there.... I think im going to have to do some serious thinking here... Dark Angels sounds good, but I havent yet read the new dex. Ill resever judgement till I go down to the city and take a gander at the books. Curse moving, losing army books sucks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictate Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 dark angels pros: 5/10 man squads is a cool way to make a list, you actually feel like youre organising an army ravenwing squadrons are freakin great combat squad rules can be pretty fun a few things are cheaper deathwing assault rules dark angels cons: VERY limiting HQ choices lots of things are much more expensive points wise dark angels list would be good if you really want to go for broke with techmarines, (but 3 is really enough since they're 100 points a pop) or want lots of bikes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted May 13, 2007 Author Share Posted May 13, 2007 Mmm yeah. Well, im not 100% sure yet, It could be a good way to go. The techmarines now take servitors right? Well im not to crash hot on servitors as they are quite ... low tech for a chapter that is supposedly xeno tech obsessed. Though it would be a good way to model something special for the role. If I was to go for a list without techmarines, or not taking techmarines, then I would simply model an HQ choice as a Techmarine, perhaps... Ah what about merging the reclusiam and the forge? Techmarines are chaplains? Hmmm... so many more ideas with a potential change like this. Ive got to do some serious work.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknomancer Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Mmm yeah. Well, im not 100% sure yet, It could be a good way to go. The techmarines now take servitors right? Well im not to crash hot on servitors as they are quite ... low tech for a chapter that is supposedly xeno tech obsessed. Though it would be a good way to model something special for the role. If I was to go for a list without techmarines, or not taking techmarines, then I would simply model an HQ choice as a Techmarine, perhaps... Ah what about merging the reclusiam and the forge? Techmarines are chaplains? Hmmm... so many more ideas with a potential change like this. Ive got to do some serious work.... i've thought of this one before, but found it tough to implement. it's a goog thought, run with it. not too sure on the name change. do like the ideas for the fluff change, though. they are some small details that need to be sorted out, but none of these should really warrant a major re-write of the whole fluff as it is. Maybe if you just changed the relevent items then you could re-use the important parts that make up the whole document? just a thought. Isn't it amazing how many people come up with similar ideas? anyway, enough babble, see ya mate! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknomancer Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 yo man! trying out the codes, can u help? am confused, nice effect though! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartans Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Wow looks like you have made a lot of progress over the last 24 hrs. Any way I like the name change or at least dropping the Serpentis as is does give you more scope. Maybe you need something after it as I think The Corsairs would be a better aka for them like Imperial Fists get call The Fists. Maybe soming like Corsair Techs (not great I know but just thinking of the cuff) or go more traditional Corsair Sons or Sons of Corsairs or Corsair Lords or Corsair Legion. But as you say to me keep going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted May 13, 2007 Author Share Posted May 13, 2007 Aye I will! And thanks again spartans! Yeah the Corsair Legion sounds good... Corsair Legio Legio Corsair Corsair Legion The Black Corsairs The Red Corsairs Bah bloody names, its so freakin annoying. Ill find one eventually, but thanks for the ideas spartans! *edit* Since I re-wrote my IA it seems like I may have to go more with something like Corsairs Illuminatus or something to that effect. Anyway im sure ill find a way to end all this stuff soon enough... now time to change my sig... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip S Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Ticks along nicely, and is well laid out. I would suggest that the scout company can be broken up and assigned to the other companies, and considering their independent nature of the companies; the scout company could act as inter company messengers too? Or perhaps a weird organisation, since you seem to be heading towards more blatant non-codex characteristics with each re-write, where a full marine company and the scout company form the messaging/ scouting group? Now the salamander element is gone, are you still keeping the snake concepts? Philip PS: like the tats ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted May 13, 2007 Author Share Posted May 13, 2007 Yeah, I know about the snakes and salamanders thing and its something I am agonising over at the moment. For now I have kept the theme with the "inner circle" having the same sort of tats as Master Renal in reverance, or respect or something. Im not quite thinking straight at the moment as im a bit tired so dont mind me if i mix my words up something shocking. Thanks for your praise as well Philip. I am the sort of person that is an absoloute perfectionist and will not be happy unless I think its completely finished with nothing more to add, or take away. Which in turn leads to me going topsey turvey with ideas and concepts for this type of work. In fact I almost made them a Dark Angel successor a few minuits ago with the inner circle thing, but have decided against it because my swapping of info on the IA is bugging me. Lord, im bugging myself, thats not great is it? *sigh* Anyhow, I think the point im trying to make is that im not really sure whether im going to keep the snakey elements or not. I think for now it can stay as it is though. Thanks again Philip, especially for the ideas for the scout group, it really glues the 10th Battle Company into its place. Cheers. -Y Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 Ydalir, PM me when you get a chance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictate Posted May 13, 2007 Share Posted May 13, 2007 red corsairs are a chaos group. I disagree wholeheartedly with spartans. I think The Corsairs is a great name, it's strong. I feel that adding other words into it will weaken the name. dark angel successordom just seems unnecessary, white scars or ultramarines are probably the best picks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknomancer Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 like corsairs illuminatus, not sure about the rest. thanks for the format tips, they helped a lot. re-done my fluff, would appreciate some inout as i've re-done it a LOT. once again, thanks seey'all Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iscariot Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 OK, I’ve been watching and waiting in the shadows now for a while, reading and waiting, and I feel I have to say something. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I love the set up, I love the background, sure there are still a few holes and areas to work on but you know what, I love them too. The technological version of the Relictors is how I see them, except purer and more dedicated. I like them as just “The Corsairs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1258999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted May 14, 2007 Author Share Posted May 14, 2007 Thanks one hell of a lot Iscariot! I appreciate the praise! Im still working out some kinks and plot-holes for this IA but overall its painfully close to bieng the finished article, im just working on some points that Comissar Molotov pointed out to me (thanks for that Mol ;) ). It might take a few days but ill get there eventually :sweat:. I have been leaning more towards the use of the Chaos Codex for a while now, its a fight between codex DA and Chaos. Your idea about the chaos rapters is the closest thing thats come to clinching it so far. It would make for some wonderfull Converting opportunities at the very least! Im waiting for your PM with great anticipation mate! Thanks a lot for your support, and I like the ideas, now I just have to find a way to incorporate them properly, this fluff work is getting quite, well, difficult as this is the first IA I have ever written. That and I am not used to doing this type of writing or work, which makes it even nicer when I get praise for it! :wub: Thanks again Iscariot! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1259021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknomancer Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 ydalir, how'd you do those text boxes, mate? like to do some myself. also, not nit picking,but the word gurilla is spelt guerilla dave. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1259594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted May 15, 2007 Author Share Posted May 15, 2007 Thanks man for the grammer spotting! Sometimes my good grammer rolls snake eyes and I end up with things like that. Ill send you a PM with the coded instructions mate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1259613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknomancer Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Thanks man for the grammer spotting! Sometimes my good grammer rolls snake eyes and I end up with things like that. Ill send you a PM with the coded instructions mate. you should read my foul ups! some times i cant spell for the sake of looking at the blasted thing! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1261196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted May 17, 2007 Author Share Posted May 17, 2007 BIG change coming. I know I have said this before but I am still writing things up. Maybe by the end of the week or next will see my re-write take form up here. I will be creating a new topic for it as this one has too many other comments on it. I hope I can finish it sooner rather than later! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1261230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknomancer Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 no need for the thanks bit mate, you've done more for me than i've done for you! thanks goes to you and all the other guys here on the site, they've all been a big help to us both! just noticed something in this current version, theirs a reference in the anihillation cove thing that says about a stars' coronosphere. anything kept that close to a star would boil away to vapour in seconds, i think, because thats' the part right on top of the fiecest fireballs and flames. maybe if you say troposphere, that would help. that is if you're gonna keep it that is. I would, it works. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1262755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip S Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 I was thinking about your chapter, and perhaps it may be an idea to split it into two chapters and work up each. One with the snakes/ Salamander links the other with the Corsairs. For inspiration on the corsairs; The Corsairs could be; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsairs or perhaps; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirate with; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarossa_I http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarossa_%2...oman_admiral%29 I quite like the ‘Ottoman corsairs’ angle, lead by Barbarossa (red beard) or Aruj or Oruc Reis – all great names (some reason Barbarossa is growing on me, it may be the ‘ss’ sound). The ‘Red* Corsairs’ and, err, the ‘Hearth Snakes’. For ‘Hearth Snakes’ inspiration; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksmiths_of_western_Africa or perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus Plenty of information there! Philip PS; * = Oops :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1263072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted May 21, 2007 Author Share Posted May 21, 2007 Yeah I have been thinking about that myself. Im even starting to get 3 different chapters out of the ideas in my head. It seems every time I write up one of them, the lines start to blur and the credo's of two chapters start to appear in my mind. Its bloody annoying. :D Thanks for the ideas though Phillip, I see you search through wikipedia more than I do! Ill give it some thought, as I might just change my draft I have now into not so much pirates, but more like the special forces they are meant to be. I might make the Corsairs into an excommunicate chapter that is not loyal to anyone! Much like the Sons of Medusa I think it is. The Serpent and salamander stuff will be collected into another chapter, a dense terrain warfare specialist chapter or something. Some of the lines where the combat techniques differ also start to blur together with my other chapters, which is also a bloody great pain in the behind. Oh well, Im sure ill make sense of it all one day. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/109428-index-astartes-the-corsairs/page/2/#findComment-1263317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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