Onisuzume Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Today I managed to aquire a Mk. IV tank of the "female" variant, for roughly €30, pretty cheap compared to GW's LRC.(which is £40 o.0) I've already noticed that "she" is slightly larger than the standard land raiders. Now, my question is, how to make one look more like a LRC? I already bought a Tamiya kit with WWII era US infantry weapons, if that is any help. (Browning M2s are in it, if that matters) I've also decided to embelish it with a few DA ornaments. What do you guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYR GKIKAS Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 got any pics?not anybody here are tanks specialists. :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1297520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Devil- Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 i am not following, on the varient of it ... so need more info Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1297546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 what are you talking about dude? Post a pic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1297549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistOfDorn Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 the MKIV female tank was a ww1 era tank, much like an elongated version of the current landraider...here are some pics... hope this helps to explaint the idea somewhat Onisuzume http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/oldwolf76/MK4F.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/oldwolf76/MK4E.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/oldwolf76/MK4d.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/oldwolf76/MK4C.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/oldwolf76/MK4A.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1297577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted July 5, 2007 Author Share Posted July 5, 2007 Yeah, that's the kit I bought. Should make a nifty LRC if I do say so myself. Do note that the rear of our Land Raiders is actually the front of that kit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1297583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladislao Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 you just need more massive weapons, i guess Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1297608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_starrise Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 Ok, what you will wanna do is start adding rhino/landraider hatches, specifically those w/ a space marine hanging out of them to help tie it in. Now, you may have to scratchbuild some sponsons for the twin-lascannons as they are pretty wide. You will also need to hull mount a pair of heavy bolters. Getting a hold of some odd land raider parts would actually help you out in tieing it in well. I made a rhino from cereal box card that follows the general shape of the land raider, but is a rhino size. To make this work I had to cannibalize a poor defenseless rhinos details & exhausts. Alot of that comes seperate on the land raider sprues. If you could get a hold of just the sponson weapons & the exhausts & the hatches you'd be set on bits to convert it over but still retain the look of the MKIV. And IIRC a female was armed w/ only machineguns whereas a male had like 6pdr guns in the sponsons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1297644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Devil- Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 ohhhh okay, now i got you ... that kinda looks like the tank that was in the Indiana Jones movie that the nazi's were in ... never knew what it was called ... would look like to me .. just redoing the side gun mounts with some 'beefier' guns .. and adding a set of hatches behind them ... then a couple of hatches up top and maybe anothe gun or two ... and making up some covers for the top of the tank treads if you wanted to go that far... hmm might have to look for that model ... been looking around for what it was based on but never came across that one yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1297661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYR GKIKAS Posted July 5, 2007 Share Posted July 5, 2007 i cant compare it with the GW raider.can you post a Pic with a marine next to it???It ll be great help Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1297662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted July 6, 2007 Author Share Posted July 6, 2007 Ok, what you will wanna do is start adding rhino/landraider hatches, specifically those w/ a space marine hanging out of them to help tie it in. Now, you may have to scratchbuild some sponsons for the twin-lascannons as they are pretty wide. You will also need to hull mount a pair of heavy bolters. Getting a hold of some odd land raider parts would actually help you out in tieing it in well. I made a rhino from cereal box card that follows the general shape of the land raider, but is a rhino size. To make this work I had to cannibalize a poor defenseless rhinos details & exhausts. Alot of that comes seperate on the land raider sprues. If you could get a hold of just the sponson weapons & the exhausts & the hatches you'd be set on bits to convert it over but still retain the look of the MKIV. And IIRC a female was armed w/ only machineguns whereas a male had like 6pdr guns in the sponsons. I'm making a crusader... And I'm trying to keep it as much in it's original state as possible. (changing the ponsons is kinda impossible now that I've already put them together) Perhaps a pair of M2s ontop as assault cannon substitutes? Also, putting a marine next to it is kinda pointless since just about every bit is still on the sprue.(it's about as wide, if it wider than a LR, and at least as long&high) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1297976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurth Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 ohhhh okay, now i got you ... that kinda looks like the tank that was in the Indiana Jones movie that the nazi's were in ... never knew what it was called ... That was a Mark VIII with a turret added and some more stuff changed — here's a production illustration that shows it quite well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1298043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Wow that's a lovely model Onisuzume. I think plasticard trackguards along the top would help massivily to bulk it up. All GW Imperial vehicle models look kinda 'clunky' with thick edges to everything whilst this model looks almost delicate. More clunkiness required. How about the exhaust stack from an LR laid on the top armour plate to visually link it to other SM vehicles. Then items like searchlight, smoke launchers, Imperial Aquila, skulls and suchlike. Oh and Grenade Launchers, might even get away with using those from the LRC mounted horizonatlly onto the angled glacis front plate. My real question remains - how do marines assault from it - you thinking of putting an assault ramp on the front? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1298128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Cadente Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I'm a little worried that many do not recognize one of the most famous tanks in history, what do they NOT teach in schools these days?? other than that sounds like an interesting idea and can't wait to see pics, it has been done many times before, but not for a crusader Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1298205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted July 6, 2007 Author Share Posted July 6, 2007 Wow that's a lovely model Onisuzume. I think plasticard trackguards along the top would help massivily to bulk it up. All GW Imperial vehicle models look kinda 'clunky' with thick edges to everything whilst this model looks almost delicate. More clunkiness required. The model is at least as big as the GW land raider, so it wouldn't be needed. And what's plasticard? I've never seen it in the shops... How about the exhaust stack from an LR laid on the top armour plate to visually link it to other SM vehicles. Then items like searchlight, smoke launchers, Imperial Aquila, skulls and suchlike. Oh and Grenade Launchers, might even get away with using those from the LRC mounted horizonatlly onto the angled glacis front plate. Well, like I said before, I will be updating the model with a bunch of DA icons like the Angelis Mortis, and, ofcourse, the chapter badge. Smokes and Light is manditory for DA so I'll probably have to get another land raider sprue C. And who said that I'll use it as a transport? It's kinda pointless to put 5 storm bolters and 1 CML inside of it. I'll probably change the gun poking out the front to a twin-linked 1/35 scale M2. (gun devoloped roughly 6-8 years after the tank was built) Or maybe cannibalise one of the terminator AC arms that I got in my bitzbox. (gattling guns did exist back then, so it could look good) Also, what would be a good "count as" meltagun? The tank itself is in in 1/30 brittish scale, so that'd be roughly 1/76 cm for international scale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1298311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Devil- Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I'm a little worried that many do not recognize one of the most famous tanks in history, what do they NOT teach in schools these days?? other than that sounds like an interesting idea and can't wait to see pics, it has been done many times before, but not for a crusader it all depends on where you are from ... some areas hardly teach their own history let alone history from other countries ... that being said, most of what i have learned has came from me reading on my own or from movies and forums etc ... meh .. school was almost pointless when it came to true history. /endderail Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1298341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlâdvar The Destroyer Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 tbh You should have bought a "male" tank... like this 1 which is made by Emhar: http://www.amv-lilliput.org/modelli/mezzi/lunardi/male/male_01.jpg it comes with cannons... that you could replace with lascannons... :wink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1298529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Cadente Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 it comes with cannons... that you could replace with lascannons... :wink: Not much point of its a crusader :wink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1298545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Yeah well whatever you decide to do Onisuzume post up some pics because I'd love to see how this monster turns out. Cheers I Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1298555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillyfish Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 There's a very old White Dwarf with pictures of a Deathwing WW1 tank (pre-third edition I believe, certainly before the current LR kit came out). It looked really cool, so I shall look forward to seeing this! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1298766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_starrise Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 I'm making a crusader...And I'm trying to keep it as much in it's original state as possible. (changing the ponsons is kinda impossible now that I've already put them together) Perhaps a pair of M2s ontop as assault cannon substitutes? Also, putting a marine next to it is kinda pointless since just about every bit is still on the sprue.(it's about as wide, if it wider than a LR, and at least as long&high) Duh... misread your post sorry. Well then, I dunno what to tell you as changing the sponsons is gonna be pretty neccessary for the hurricane bolters since they are rather large. The M2s should work fine. I suggest trying to at least swap out like the top hatches for rhino/raider hatches for the right look & feel. I've never done a full over conversion from historical to 40K before. The closest I've done is M80 turret w/ TL-lascannons & scratchbuilt sponsons. You can easily make hurricane bolters out of plastic SM boltguns, but since the sponsons are already built it will be hard to attach them... Dunno, maybe I'm just not thinking 4th dimensionally :) Pair of pants to whoever can tell me where that quote came from :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1298767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joasht Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Haha I had one too! I have no idea where it went though ;) I toyed with the idea, but somehow I found it a little....well....the size wasn't feeling too right, personally at least. So yea, if you want to, go right ahead! Would be eager to see the results ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1299033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 the model looks like a pre hersy landraider. post a pick with amarine next to it for size comparison. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1299218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted July 8, 2007 Author Share Posted July 8, 2007 post a pick with amarine next to it for size comparison. Can't get a picture untill thursday at least. Probably not untill a couple of weeks.(mid-august) Due to lack of access to the model. Though I might be able to dig up some dimentions. I think the model is roughly ~7cm high. The model would be ~28cm long. A male version would be ~12cm wide. That is, if my calculations are correct and the model follows those calculations. So it'd be slightly over two 2nd edition clone marines in height. the model looks like a pre hersy landraider. And yeah, that is exactly the look what I'm after, while still largely fitting in with 1910-1930 era tanks.(Yes, I know that the 1st number is off) So in my posession I have a bunch of 1/35 scale weapons being: 2 browning M2 with tripod, ammo box, ammo belt. 2 Browning M2 without barrel, tripod, Reciever cover. 2 M1919A6 with bipod, ammo box, ammo belt. 2 M3 SMG. (Grease Gun) 4 M1 Rifle. (Garand) 2 M1 rifle with grenade launcher. 2 M18 57mm recoiless gun with tripod. 2 M2 60mm mortar with bipod. 2 flamethrower. 2 M1 carbine. 2 M2 carbine. 2 M1918A2 with bipod. (BAR) 2 2.36" rpcket launcher. 2 M1903A4 rifle. (Springfield) 2 M1A1 SMG. (thomson) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1299679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_starrise Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 So in my posession I have a bunch of 1/35 scale weapons being:2 browning M2 with tripod, ammo box, ammo belt. 2 Browning M2 without barrel, tripod, Reciever cover. 2 M1919A6 with bipod, ammo box, ammo belt. 2 M3 SMG. (Grease Gun) 4 M1 Rifle. (Garand) 2 M1 rifle with grenade launcher. 2 M18 57mm recoiless gun with tripod. 2 M2 60mm mortar with bipod. 2 flamethrower. 2 M1 carbine. 2 M2 carbine. 2 M1918A2 with bipod. (BAR) 2 2.36" rpcket launcher. 2 M1903A4 rifle. (Springfield) 2 M1A1 SMG. (thomson) Huh, wow. Sounds like they could be fun for use converting IG lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/112882-mk-4-land-raider-crusader/#findComment-1300064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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