Codex Chaos space marine Q&A

[Iron-Daemon Forge]

Hi Folks

 

Though I start a new topic for people to ask question on what happing with codex Chaos to find what there, what change & what gone as well as what confirmed from the rumour. Also just less messy than asking on other topic where there 40+ pagies & it been asnwer 20 odd times before.

 

Now I#ve not had much time to read codex Chaos on background (just trying get time) only parts on the Alpha Legion wipe a chapter, group of Spave Wolfs turning chaos (well red corsiers) & a Sarg who take over a whole plaent :D also anyone else who read the codex is more then free to chip in there bit as well, of course :teehee: Also to sort out any mistake anyone made when given there answer.

 

So anything you want to know about the new codex that is no breaken GW IP rules or any of the B&C rules. Feel free to ask

 

IP

[Bloodwave]

A ) Is there any rule or option that allow to extend the "fearlessness" of an IC to a CSM unit that said IC may join?

 

My guess is that the Fearless condition of an IC is pretty much wasted if the IC joins a non-cult unit, but I would like to have this confirmed by someone more informed than me.

 

B ) While on the subject of IC joining units : How it works the cult aligment restriction now in joining units? I mean : now the IC can buy icons, but they doesn´t have the rules of the specific cult units right? Nor they have access to vet skills... So, a Chaos Lord with the icon of Khorne it is not a berserker Lord (ie : no furious charge ). If I´m right on this, an IC joining a cult unit : Would prevent that unit from using vet skills that is particular of that unit?

 

C ) Related to point B : a non cult aligned character: Is free to join any unit? Or he can´t join cult units unless it bears the icon of that power?

 

Thanks in advance.

[Cornelias]

any chance you can give me a heads up on what's happening with fabius bile? ;)

 

any info would be great thx heh

[minigun762]

If the rumor true that rhinos will only be able to have 1 weapon at all on them, whether its a TL bolter, combi weapon or havoc launcher?

 

EDIT: I'm just dittoing wanting to know about an ICs fearlessness and the unit he's in and how that works.

[Maladon]

Found this one Warseer: Khorne Berserkers and Thousand Sons entries in codex!

 

Brought to you by Jared Blyte from warseer!

 

Edit by Insane Psychopath: Image took away so it not to break GW IP rules, if you want to see them, wait until the codex Chaos come out. :sweat:

[The Defiler]

As far as I've understood:

 

 

A ) Is there any rule or option that allow to extend the "fearlessness" of an IC to a CSM unit that said IC may join?

 

My guess is that the Fearless condition of an IC is pretty much wasted if the IC joins a non-cult unit, but I would like to have this confirmed by someone more informed than me.

 

No special option to extend fearlessness to a CSM unit.. If you were looking for something like Demagogue Ability.. well.. :teehee:

So yes.. fearless lord better goes with cult troops than marked marines..

 

B ) While on the subject of IC joining units : How it works the cult aligment restriction now in joining units? I mean : now the IC can buy icons, but they doesn´t have the rules of the specific cult units right? Nor they have access to vet skills... So, a Chaos Lord with the icon of Khorne it is not a berserker Lord (ie : no furious charge ). If I´m right on this, an IC joining a cult unit : Would prevent that unit from using vet skills that is particular of that unit?

 

 

Marked Lords are not Cult Lords, you're right..

According to the Universal Special Rules section, a Khorne Lord (for exemple) won't gain Furious Charge when joining berzerkers, but the berzerkers from the unit the Lord joined won't lose FC.. (same goes for the other 3 cults)

 

C ) Related to point B : a non cult aligned character: Is free to join any unit? Or he can´t join cult units unless it bears the icon of that power?

 

He seems to be able to join whoever he wants.... No problemo about an icon..

 

I'm hoping to be correct on this, as those marked Lords with lesser abilities than their cult troops seems really strange/unbelievable to me..

 

TheDef'

[Sati]

Did the special/hvy weapon options of regular CSM change? Can we still take 2 spec. weapons? Does a sqaud really have to be over 10 to take the hvy. too?

 

Is LR still a dedicated transport option for termies? What transports may the choosen take-only rhino I presume?

 

Thanks!

[Terminator Tomatron]

why cant i see the plague marine bit :teehee: ?

[BloodRed]

You'll like the Plague Marines-- they have feel no pain. And since you can gather what the mark of nurgle does (hasn't changed a whole lot), you can look at the noise marine scan and figure out pretty much exactly what the plague marines will be. They have the same special weapons to choose from as before. Basically take a regular chaos marine, give it the mark of nurgle, give it fearless and feel no pain as well as blight grenades. A champion can take the stuff you'd expect and the squad can have a couple special weapons or plasma pistols. T5 + feel no pain? Yes please!!

 

For CSM, special weapon at minimum, then either another special or a heavy for a 10 man plus squad.

 

Yes, the LR is a dedicated transport for termies.

[Maladon]

Someone didn't put a goofy scan of it? You'll like the Plague Marines-- they have feel no pain. And since you can gather what the mark of nurgle does (hasn't changed a whole lot), you can look at the noise marine scan and figure out pretty much exactly what the plague marines will be. They have the same special weapons to choose from as before. Basically take a regular chaos marine, give it the mark of nurgle, give it fearless and feel no pain as well as blight grenades. A champion can take the stuff you'd expect and the squad can have a couple special weapons or plasma pistols. T5 + feel no pain? Yes please!!

 

Goofy scan, :cuss? you forgot one thing Int 3 plague marines.

 

@terminator Tomatron- It shows for me fine... adjust your setting!

[BloodRed]

I thought it was a bit funny that someone can post a scan as long as they edit out the points values. Or is it a GW released preview? That's what I meant by goofy scan. As you can see, you quoted me in the short minute before I edited out that statement-- my apologies.

[Iron-Daemon Forge]

A ) Is there any rule or option that allow to extend the "fearlessness" of an IC to a CSM unit that said IC may join?

 

My guess is that the Fearless condition of an IC is pretty much wasted if the IC joins a non-cult unit, but I would like to have this confirmed by someone more informed than me.

 

I say it work like it dose in 40k right now. I alway though if a IC join a squad who fearless would then make the squad fearless until he left or got killed. But don't quote me on that. I'll have a proper look, just got back from a long fun games of BFG & tired as hell.

 

Cornelias Posted Today, 02:22 PM

any chance you can give me a heads up on what's happening with fabius bile?

 

You don't roll random for his states like before where like one set made him good in combat, another shooting & just normal. It just one set for him.

 

His Needle pistol look the same (nevre use him so not 100%) Rod torment cause instant death by looks (will get a better read tomorrow) & Enhanced Warriors are still there B)

 

Brought to you by Jared Blyte from warseer!

 

He'll be one of the Vets in my GW.

 

Did the special/hvy weapon options of regular CSM change? Can we still take 2 spec. weapons? Does a sqaud really have to be over 10 to take the hvy. too?

 

Yes still there to take Heavy & Specil or 2x Specil but you need 10 models or more (up to 20). Other wise just one specil weapon & the Champ plasma pistol if you pay the pts.

 

Is LR still a dedicated transport option for termies? What transports may the choosen take-only rhino I presume?

 

Give me one sec....... Termies can still take a Land Raider transport. So you can get 6 Land Raider in total from my understanding (3 Heavy, 3 as transport)

 

So sorry if anything mess up or wrong I will have a proper look that the codex, but the above from a quick glance I had there.

 

IP

[minigun762]

Ohhh 6 Land Raiders....

 

Hmmm can I justify it

 

(Begins the plotting)

[DeathsHead]

I just heard that CSM no longer have frag and/or krak grenades.

 

Please confirm or deny.

[BloodRed]

Almost everybody starts with them. So denied. CSM have both grenades.

[Brother Evar]

Could someone explain how the marks work in the new dex? I just do not understand it well. Is it true the mark effect is confered by a banner/icon, so a banner of undivided provides the bonous like the mocu currently? Meaning that each individual in a squad has no individual mocu but gets the benifit from the singular banner? If this is the case then I see LOS sniping and other underhanded tricks to rob the benifits of a marked squad by taking out the banner bearer. What next adding in a musician for a full command group in a squad! :P

[BloodRed]

If this is the case then I see LOS sniping and other underhanded tricks to rob the benifits of a marked squad by taking out the banner bearer. What next adding in a musician for a full command group in a squad! :P

 

I was surprised to find out, but that's exactly how it works. It specifically says that if the icon is lost, all of its benefits are lost. Wow. I completely missed that.

[Focke]

You have it more or less right. For non cult units they can take a banner that gives them the mark be it the new chaos undivided (don't remember the name off the top of my head) or for one of the four powers. This means yes to nurgle raptors if you are of the mind.

And yes if the model with the banner gets it then the unit looses the mark (if I remember rightly).

But this dose not have any effect on the cult troops like plague marines and such. They have their marks as part of their profiles, and not as a unit upgrade.

I hope that this helps (and that I read the dex right).

[Iron-Daemon Forge]

DeathsHead Posted Today, 02:10 AM

I just heard that CSM no longer have frag and/or krak grenades.

 

Please confirm or deny.

 

Who ever told you that talking out there rear. They DO have Frak & Krak grandes, Lord, Sorserer (sp), Chosen, Chaos Marines, the four Cults, Bikes, Havocs.

 

Could someone explain how the marks work in the new dex?

 

It Icons now who give the power say like Bezerker +1 attack. But if he get killed then you loss that power given to the unit. So be careful where you place that Icon bearer :P As said Cult units are not effected.

[blamb]

Icons will be the main target for people now. You can't have tooled champions anymore, just a few mundane options (regular marine stuff) where as icons make the unit as a whole better and act for summoning and count as a teleport homer for Deep Striking.

[Spellbound]

I converted all my Aspiring Champions to be holding banners for their units, as it specifically said before that the champion could be the guy to hold the icon.

 

Is that not the case anymore? As with most codices, usually the "character" of the squad doesn't have access to squad options like plasmaguns, etc so can he still take the icon?

 

 

I'm just going to start picking models and painting a dot on their base as their "icon" if they keep switching it up like this. Pretty soon everyone's going to have some sort of icon, and I just won't tell my opponent which is the real one. I'll mark his base and write it down somewhere or something so it doesn't change.

 

Disappointing I have to now stick all my plasmagunner marines in different squads of basic guys as they can't join the ranks of the blastmasters, but such is life.

 

On the other hand, all of my troops will have sonic blasters and bp/ccw! If the sonic blaster still has an assault firing mode, that means I'll be able to run in, double tap, charge, and still get the bonus from 2x ccw AND charging. Eat that, Grey Knights! (And I'm I5 ;))

 

-Spellbound

[Magnus the red]

Hows lucius shaping up?

[The Defiler]

I converted all my Aspiring Champions to be holding banners for their units, as it specifically said before that the champion could be the guy to hold the icon.

 

Is that not the case anymore? As with most codices, usually the "character" of the squad doesn't have access to squad options like plasmaguns, etc so can he still take the icon?

 

...//...

 

If the sonic blaster still has an assault firing mode, that means I'll be able to run in, double tap, charge, and still get the bonus from 2x ccw AND charging. Eat that, Grey Knights! (And I'm I5 :) )

 

-Spellbound

 

Your aspiring champions can still bear the icon..

One model may be given one of the following icons means anybody.. Aspi-Champ' or not..

Sonic Blasters still have assault firing mode too..

[Maladon]

I thought it was a bit funny that someone can post a scan as long as they edit out the points values. Or is it a GW released preview? That's what I meant by goofy scan. As you can see, you quoted me in the short minute before I edited out that statement-- my apologies.

 

No worries, but I noticed the thread I go it from is nolonger up on Warseer now! :)

[Maladon]

Question-

 

Does the chaos codex have the rules for transports concerning access point and fire ports?

 

So there is no multy page debates about RAW again! :) :cuss <_<