battle captain corpus Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Title say it all really! :drool: Did GW ever verify any of the other Luna Wolves Captains? Maybe in some of the artwork books maybe? Basically does anyone have a longer list than just Loken, Torgadden etc?.... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaolin saiyan Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 there are a few listed in horus rising and false gods. they are listed in the characters section in the begining of each book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1435711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Rik Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 You're going to have a hell of a job naming the Captains of each company of the Luna Wolves Legion! Each chapter now has, going by the assumption of one per company, 10 Captains. That's for a Chapter. A Legion consists of several, chapters... by which I imagine means more than one or two - probably along the lines of 6, 7, maybe up to 10 Chapters worth or more marines. They really were huge. To name that many captains is a tall order. Even for Chapters GW barely names any commanders, save the famous ones. This is to leave authors, and gamers, to make up their own. Also remember that the captains will change, regularly, as they are killed and someone else rises to the rank. If you name a specific Captain, you have to name the era and timeframe he was Captain in. For example, Marneus Calgar was a Captain once. He's not anymore, someone else is in his place. Also he has not been the only Chapter Master. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1435718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
esinhorn Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Tybalt Marr(the either) capt 18th Moy(the or) Iacton Cruze capt 3rd Serghar Tarost....7th also lodgemaster Luc Sedirae....13th Falkus Kibre(the widowmaker)capt of the justaerin Kalus Ekaddon..capt of the Catulan Reavers(1st comp jumpack elite) hope that helps some Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1435916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel of Sanginius Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Tybalt Marr(the either) capt 18thMoy(the or) Iacton Cruze capt 3rd Serghar Tarost....7th also lodgemaster Luc Sedirae....13th Falkus Kibre(the widowmaker)capt of the justaerin Kalus Ekaddon..capt of the Catulan Reavers(1st comp jumpack elite) hope that helps some Captain Garviel Loken...10th Company Captain Tarik Torgaddon....i think its 2nd but not sure. I'll have to dig the books out And some Legions consitsed of several chapters (like DA) but i think that Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus is just a lot of Companies (EDIT: sorry, a little misspelling) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1436389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
esinhorn Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 yeah Tarik was 2nds capt Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1436415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLARGAG!!! Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 i thought that Abaddon was the captian of the Justarian (aka 1st company), or am i remembering that wrong? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1437011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 As in False Gods: Ezekyle Abaddon : First captain of the sons of horus Tarik Torgaddon : Captain 2nd company Iacton Qruze (the half heard) : captain 3rd company Hastur Sejanus (dead) : Captain 4th company Horus Aximand : Captain 5th company Serghar Targost : Captain 7th company and lodge master Garviel Loken : captain 10th company Luc Sedirae : Captain 13th company Tybalt Marr (the either) : Captain 18th company Verulam Moy (the other) : Captain 19th company Kalus Ekkaddon, captain of Catulan Reaver squad.. ( no company named so I don't think he's a captain of a company) Falkus Kibre, Captain of the Justaerin terminator squad There's no mention though of the squad sizes for Kalus and Falkus. Additon of Horus rising : Lev Goshen: captain 25th company Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1437167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artos Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Wow, that about includes em all! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1437978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-betrayer Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 @ BLARGAG!!- Abaddon was indeed the fist captian, Falkus Kibre was captain of the first squad of the first company the Justaerin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1438318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Seems that there's a difference between "captains". You got the Company captains, and squad captains.. Altough I wonder what squad size that would be, since normally you've got sergeants leading a squad.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1441818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StratoKhan Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I think Luna Wolves were confusing because their Pre-Heresy Companies have the same name as the Post-Heresy Chapter Companies. In equivalencies, you'd have: Company (LW) = Grand Company = Pre-Heresy Chapter. (Roughly anyways) Or am I off? It's weird though because Loken is 4th Company Cpt, but his Co. always seemed small to me. But when I think about it in abstract terms it seems logical these units would be 1000 men each. Hmm. I think the HH series really confuses the size issue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1441974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel of Sanginius Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I think Luna Wolves were confusing because their Pre-Heresy Companies have the same name as the Post-Heresy Chapter Companies. In equivalencies, you'd have: Company (LW) = Grand Company = Pre-Heresy Chapter. (Roughly anyways) Or am I off? It's weird though because Loken is 4th Company Cpt, but his Co. always seemed small to me. But when I think about it in abstract terms it seems logical these units would be 1000 men each. Hmm. I think the HH series really confuses the size issue. Loken is 10th company Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1441995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Oh, the utter confustion of Legion sizes and naming conventions. OK, lets see what we can clear up a little. The Horus Hersy books says the Legions were much larger than the later 40th Millenia 1000-man Chapters. Each of the Legions was originally a single Regiment of only several hundred warriors when the Emperor first created the Space Marines on Terra before the Wars of Unification. They grew slowly during the conflict were each several thousand men strong at the end Unification Wars, before the Great Crusade began. They only grew bigger from that point on. We are told that during the Great Crusade each Legion recruited from their newly adopted Homeworld's where their Primarch was discovered or from hundreds of the most feral, savage worlds scattered throughout the Imperium. "There was no limit on the size of a Space Marine Legion and most of them could muster at least 100,000 combatants. The Ultramarine Legions was by far the largest, and it's primarch, Roboute Guilliman, could call upon the services of over 250,000 Space Marines." (now we know why Horus was so determined to keep the Ultramarines from reinforcing Terra) Now the issue of ranks. With such large sizes, the ranks we associate with later 1000-man Chapters break down, and new terms are needed. This structure is described as loosely being followed by most Legions: 100 Men: Company (led by a Captain)5 Companies: Batallion (led by a Lieutenant Commander) 2 Batallions: Regiment, also known by some Legions as Wing, Chapter, Great Company (led by a Commander, Master or Lord Commander) So that leaves us with all the issues of exactly what rank terms are used by the various Legions and how many men did some of our favorite characters command. Take the Luna Wolves for example. Loken is described as a "Captain" but is a member of the Mournival, and the number of companies listed would seem to indicate that these are probably the larger 1000 man formations to make sense in the overall scale of the Legion. The Death Guard are said to have only been composed of 7 Great Companies but they were of much larger size than was normally the case in other Legions. Thus "Battle Captain" Garro probably commanded many more than the 1000 men the above chart indicated. These Legion formations also makes sense of the constant talk of the regular "line officers" who were common good soldiers but not the great leaders within their Legions. This rank makes no sense in the 40th Millenia, but with such giant Legions, each must have had dozens upon dozens of regular Captains who would never achieve the greatness to lead the larger formations or join their Legion's elite leadership councils. That in a nutshell is the real trick with the Legions, each used its own titles and varied its organization slightly. The rigid conformity you see by the 40th millenia did not exist at this time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1442083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StratoKhan Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Thanks bigred, that was a good post, very informative. Loken is 10th company My mistake. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1443296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Brushes Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 But contrary to popular belief, the Luna Wolf companies number 600, not 1000. And there were atleast 25 Companies, so that leaves you with plenty of space to invent names for your Luna Wolf commanders, or you could take inspiration from the art books. And damnit! I can't believe you missed out Horus Aximand, Captain, 5th Company! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1443950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
esinhorn Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 Sorry Aximand,I was just posting the lesser known names if you did'nt read the book I would,nt forget him he's one of my favorite conversions Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1443957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JekCromium Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Quick Question: Do we know what became of Lev Goshen, the captain 25th company? He's listed in the initial dramatis personae for Horus Rising, but I don't believe we ever hear about him again. Did he stay loyal or did he join the lodge? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1688818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ensis Ferrae Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 he was always talked about in the past tense. one thing i did have a problem with, in the later heresy books, when you had the word bearers... they talk about chapters... in the 41st millenium, we know that they have hosts (much like a loyalist chapter), wouldnt they have had a host, instead of chapter, even back in the pre-heresy days? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1689966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunawolf01 Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 i will have to look up what book it was but it said specifically when horus took over his legion he was given command of 10,000 newly created space marines. and there have been many old references that the although the ultramarines were indeed the largest many of the other legions had sizes very close to that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/124782-luna-wolves-captains/#findComment-1690344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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