My DIY Ideas

[Lex Taliones]

Ok, I know I am probably getting WAY ahead of myself since #1. I just started the hobby. #2. I haven't fought a single battle/game. #3. I don't even know anyone to play with yet. #4. I havent even completed modeling/painting the first boxed sets of my chosen army. And #5. I really don't know very much about the history or cartography of the galaxy that Warhammer 40k takes place in yet. That having been said, I am already interested in the creation of my own chapter ... well, two chapters actually. I have an image of my army forming in my head and along with some of the premade chapters and standard Chaos Army units in it, I see two chapters at the vanguard of my Forces. I'm not sure what sort of special abilities, or weaknesses they will have (mostly because I haven't got any experience in the game yet, and I haven't even started reading the chapter creation rules), but I know what I want them to look and behave like. Is it wrong that I already have this stuff in my head? Part of the reason I chose to start this particular hobby is my obsession with customization and a place to vent my creative energy (also one reason Ichose the Armies of Chaos) ... I can't help it if I get a little ahead of myself. Plus, I wanted to start working on the look of my chapters now as I start modeling/painting my army.

 

Anyway ... I just wanted some advice concerning things to avoid (yes I have been reading the posts here too, but I still feel abit as if I'm stumbling into a shooting range with blinders on.), and things I might want to sort out early. Why don't I just toss a few ideas out at you and see what you think eh?

 

Chapter: Deathforge Spawn

 

My idea for the Deathforge Spawn grew in my head after I read up on the Thousand Sons. I love the idea of the armor of the soldiers armor being animated as their bodies inside have fallen to dust. I LOVE ROBOTS! I thought it might be cool if there was a group of warriors who willingly gave up their spirit to become a living suit of armor. So I came up with this loose story/idea...

 

"A huge machine belching smoke, spewing sparks and pouring rivers of molten blood called the Deathforge (I originally was going to call it the Infernal Machine) created by a mad turncoat from the Adeptus Mechanicus which he uses to create the soldiers of the Deathforge Spawn. Soldiers sacrifice themselves into the moaning chambers of the machine and are stripped of their flesh and bone as unholy chanting and industrial wails accompany their transformation... their souls forged into the very alloy that will form their chaos armor." ... or something like that anyway. This also gives me an opportunity to use an armor color I have always wanted to see. I have always loved the look of polished Hematite and I though that would make an excellent color for a living (evil) armor. I have already mixed up a GREAT (if I say so myself) batch of hematite looking paint (chaos black, boltgun metal, mithril silver, black ink)and painted my first batch of Chaos soldiers. Afterwards I painted another layer of chaos black over their boots and shoulderpads. I plan on painting the boot/pads trim in straight chainmail, and the helmet horns will be in brazen brass highlighted with dwarf bronze. At that point I can decide on the embellishments. As you can see I want a lot of metal going on here! I don't have any specifics figured out yet in terms of home planet, region of space, or a timeline, but once I get some more reading and understanding of the universe under my belt I can come up with that. I'm fairly creative and I usually surprise myself with the quality of my work. (Toot toot!)

 

A quick question ... Can you create heros along with your chapter? I would love to have Vex Xarious (I think that will be his name ... The creator of the Deathforge) on the battlefeild. The Deathforge Spawn will be followers of Khorn, I think. (They better be, I already made their models with the Khorne icons)

 

My second chapter is a group of Nurgle followers called The Boiling Sons of Entropy. Their armor would be a grotesque version of a medic theme (corroded white armor with red cross ... perhaps incorporating a caduceus somehow) along with elements of the predictable plague marines paint scheme (lots of green, brown, yellow, etc. Trails of stinking foam dragging behind them and crawling down their legs to pool at their feet. You get the idea) I haven't put as much thought into this chapter as I have the "Spawn", but Ilike the idea of them somehow once being exactly the opposite of what they are now. Maybe they started as a chapter of space marines created specifically to combat the evils of Nurgle and his diseases? It could be they were outfitted with backpacks that constantly provided their bodies with vaccines, stims and medicines to fight off disease ...and in the end Nurgle found a way to pervert those to his own ends. I'll ponder it further.

 

Anyway I have taken too much of your time already, and my wife is giving me the eye. I guess it's time to split. I just thought I'd get some of this off my mind and see what you guys thought of it. Please, please, please give me any advice you have. (I'm a big boy, I can take it). I have an open mind and I am basically just throwing ideas around right now anyway.

 

Thanx

 

Lex

[Sigismund Himself]

#1. I just started the hobby.

#2. I haven't fought a single battle/game. #3. I don't even know anyone to play with yet.

#4. I havent even completed modeling/painting the first boxed sets of my chosen army.

And #5. I really don't know very much about the history or cartography of the galaxy that Warhammer 40k takes place in yet.

Don't worry, only #5 vaguely matters here :o For some background, have a look through the B&C Librarium, in particular, the Lexicon. The Ultimate DIY Thread contains a lot of advice for making DIYs (including some link to maps of the 40k galaxy in the last post) and our timeline has some basic events that will directly concern you as a DIY creator. If you want a full timeline, see here.

 

....but I know what I want them to look and behave like. Is it wrong that I already have this stuff in my head?

If you mean what they will look and behave like in the fluff, no, that's a good thing

 

My idea for the Deathforge Spawn grew in my head after I read up on the Thousand Sons. I love the idea of the armor of the soldiers armor being animated as their bodies inside have fallen to dust. I LOVE ROBOTS! I thought it might be cool if there was a group of warriors who willingly gave up their spirit to become a living suit of armor. So I came up with this loose story/idea...

Ok, so you want robots/animated armour gribbly things (forgive a poor loyalist player :wub:) ? As you have, connecting them with the Dark Mechanicus is a good idea.

 

Deathforge Spawn

It seems a little bit of an obvious name. Where do they come (spawn) from? The Deathforge. I think we could get a little more inventive ^_^

 

"A huge machine belching smoke, spewing sparks and pouring rivers of molten blood called the Deathforge (I originally was going to call it the Infernal Machine) created by a mad turncoat from the Adeptus Mechanicus which he uses to create the soldiers of the Deathforge Spawn. Soldiers sacrifice themselves into the moaning chambers of the machine and are stripped of their flesh and bone as unholy chanting and industrial wails accompany their transformation... their souls forged into the very alloy that will form their chaos armor." ... or something like that anyway.

What soldiers? Marines? An idea I had while reading this was that captives (normal human and astartes alike) were brought to the machine and fed into it, creating the Deathforge Spawn warriors. Only Vex and a couple of marines that started the warband with him are the only marines within the organization who have not undergone the Deathforge....

 

A quick question ... Can you create heros along with your chapter? I would love to have Vex Xarious (I think that will be his name ... The creator of the Deathforge) on the battlefeild.

Of course! The more evil the better ;) Seriously though, with chaos, it takes a really good (or should that be evil?) marine with ruthlessness and vision/hate to be able to lead marines.

 

The Deathforge Spawn will be followers of Khorne

How will this work with the machine/non feeling idea that you have? Khorne is about blood, skulls and martial honour (in that order).

 

Boiling Sons of Entropy

Seems a little bit of a sissie name when you say it aloud. The best way to test a chapter name is to do the good old THIS IS <insert chapter name here>!!! Another is to imagine the marines from Dawn of War saying your chapter name. Would they be able to say it without sounding stupid?

 

Maybe they started as a chapter of space marines created specifically to combat the evils of Nurgle and his diseases? It could be they were outfitted with backpacks that constantly provided their bodies with vaccines, stims and medicines to fight off disease ...and in the end Nurgle found a way to pervert those to his own ends.

I don't know, creating a chapter to take on a chaos god is a bit one sided ^_^ The idea that you have for how thye turn is an awesome one. Maybe this constant immunization protects them too much and they get a super hyperactive immune system that eats away at their own body... Or maybe they don't have natural antibodies from surviving diseases and fall foul of the common flu *wobbles on shaky medical ground*

 

Some nice ideas, keep them coming :mellow:

[Lex Taliones]

Deathforge Spawn

It seems a little bit of an obvious name. Where do they come (spawn) from? The Deathforge. I think we could get a little more inventive ;)

 

Hmmmm ... Maybe just call them The Deathforged, or maybe just The Forged ... Sons of the Forge? War Machine? Death Machine? What's Latin for death? Isn't it mortis? Mortis Mechanicus? Mortis Ex? I'll give it some thought.

 

 

 

"A huge machine belching smoke, spewing sparks and pouring rivers of molten blood called the Deathforge (I originally was going to call it the Infernal Machine) created by a mad turncoat from the Adeptus Mechanicus which he uses to create the soldiers of the Deathforge Spawn. Soldiers sacrifice themselves into the moaning chambers of the machine and are stripped of their flesh and bone as unholy chanting and industrial wails accompany their transformation... their souls forged into the very alloy that will form their chaos armor." ... or something like that anyway.

What soldiers? Marines? An idea I had while reading this was that captives (normal human and astartes alike) were brought to the machine and fed into it, creating the Deathforge Spawn warriors. Only Vex and a couple of marines that started the warband with him are the only marines within the organization who have not undergone the Deathforge....

 

I like that idea. I originally pictured the men being strapped into a cage-like contraption (think the one in Indiana Jones Temple of Doom, but made of riveted/spiked metal) and lifted up into the flaming maws of the Forge as they started to shriek in pain, but it might be better if they were struggling as they were strapped in. Afterwards they exit from a lower portion of the Forge as smoking blocks of slag. The slag is shattered and the marine armor is left standing amidst the steaming rubble ...it's eyes light up and it raises it's hands to the sky with a growling birthcry ... "WAR!" I do think they should all start as Space Marines however, whether they be captive or volunteers. I don't think mundane mortals should be able to survive the process.

 

 

 

The Deathforge Spawn will be followers of Khorne

How will this work with the machine/non feeling idea that you have? Khorne is about blood, skulls and martial honour (in that order).

 

I never said I wanted them to be emotionless shells. Quite the opposite in fact, I want these guys to be monsters made of metal! If that's how my description came across, I apologize. Let me clarify... I want these marines to be walking machines of war and destruction, living armor seething with hate and loathing. Obviously not Terminators, or Dreadnaughts (but they will be in there too), but I am thinking I might alter some of the models so that instead of holding bolters, flamers, plasma guns, etc ... they will have them grafted onto their bodies. I want these guys to love war!

 

 

Boiling Sons of Entropy

Seems a little bit of a sissie name when you say it aloud. The best way to test a chapter name is to do the good old THIS IS <insert chapter name here>!!! Another is to imagine the marines from Dawn of War saying your chapter name. Would they be able to say it without sounding stupid?

 

You think so? Darn, I thought it had a nice ring to it. :( I'll think about this one a while longer I guess. I might keep it though. I could just call them The Boiling Men. The Boiling? I hate to loose the entropy part, that's kind of what they're all about. I'll ponder it a bit.

 

 

Maybe they started as a chapter of space marines created specifically to combat the evils of Nurgle and his diseases? It could be they were outfitted with backpacks that constantly provided their bodies with vaccines, stims and medicines to fight off disease ...and in the end Nurgle found a way to pervert those to his own ends.

I don't know, creating a chapter to take on a chaos god is a bit one sided :confused: The idea that you have for how thye turn is an awesome one. Maybe this constant immunization protects them too much and they get a super hyperactive immune system that eats away at their own body... Or maybe they don't have natural antibodies from surviving diseases and fall foul of the common flu *wobbles on shaky medical ground*

 

Again I don't think I was clear. I didn't mean they were created to combat Nurgle, so much as they were created to combat his minions (ie: Plague Marines and their ilk). Maybe they were combat medics too? I like your idea about the immune system consuming the host though ... That's great! Perhaps the integrated Stim/Vaccine system overides their bodies own immune system and the soldiers become addicted to their own armor ... eventually falling prey to the Ruinous Powers?

 

Lots to think about! Thanx for your input!

 

Lex

[Sigismund Himself]

I like that idea. I originally pictured the men being strapped into a cage-like contraption (think the one in Indiana Jones Temple of Doom, but made of riveted/spiked metal) and lifted up into the flaming maws of the Forge as they started to shriek in pain, but it might be better if they were struggling as they were strapped in. Afterwards they exit from a lower portion of the Forge as smoking blocks of slag. The slag is shattered and the marine armor is left standing amidst the steaming rubble ...it's eyes light up and it raises it's hands to the sky with a growling birthcry ... "WAR!" I do think they should all start as Space Marines however, whether they be captive or volunteers. I don't think mundane mortals should be able to survive the process.

Sounds good mate :tu:

 

I never said I wanted them to be emotionless shells. Quite the opposite in fact, I want these guys to be monsters made of metal! If that's how my description came across, I apologize. Let me clarify... I want these marines to be walking machines of war and destruction, living armor seething with hate and loathing. Obviously not Terminators, or Dreadnaughts (but they will be in there too), but I am thinking I might alter some of the models so that instead of holding bolters, flamers, plasma guns, etc ... they will have them grafted onto their bodies. I want these guys to love war!

Oops, sorry :) I like it. Are they all insane as well? How do they view demons and the warp etc.? Have you heard of the Obliterator virus? It is a techno-virus that merges mechanical and organic parts.

 

 

You think so? Darn, I thought it had a nice ring to it. :( I'll think about this one a while longer I guess. I might keep it though. I could just call them The Boiling Men. The Boiling? I hate to loose the entropy part, that's kind of what they're all about. I'll ponder it a bit.

The Sons of Entropy sounds good to me :) It's your choice mate. It's just the boiling bit that sounds out of place.

 

Again I don't think I was clear. I didn't mean they were created to combat Nurgle, so much as they were created to combat his minions (ie: Plague Marines and their ilk). Maybe they were combat medics too? I like your idea about the immune system consuming the host though ... That's great! Perhaps the integrated Stim/Vaccine system overides their bodies own immune system and the soldiers become addicted to their own armor ... eventually falling prey to the Ruinous Powers?

Just me picking on the wording ;) Play with and expand upon the idea. You never know where it will take you ^_^

[Lex Taliones]

Are they all insane as well? How do they view demons and the warp etc.? Have you heard of the Obliterator virus? It is a techno-virus that merges mechanical and organic parts.

 

Of course they're insane! ;) I'm thinking that the conversion somehow amplifies their base instincts ... focuses them so completely on their inherent compulsion for combat that they become slaves to violence and the heat of battle. That gives mean idea! They are so captivated by battle that they need very little prompting or control, that's where Vex Xarious and the ruling members (squad leaders, seargants, whatever) come in. You mentioned in your first response something about a certain body of the chapters' members who did not undergo conversion. That will be them! The main members of the chapter are given certain methods (control words, devices, hand signals, comlink, psychic control, etc) to control the mass of converted soldiers placed under their command. Hmmmm ...maybe that could be a weakness too? Maybe the soldiers cannot hear anything outside their own armor/comlink ...so they can only hear the commands of their squad leader? Maybe they have no real freewill and cannot act with any autonomy (beyond fullfilling the last destructive act they were given) and must be given direct commands to perform any action? If their squad leader falls in battle, they simply become mindless berserkers and attack anything in sight! Neat huh? I'll think on it some more.

 

Not sure about their views on Demons, or the Warp. They probably wouldn't care as long as they are given the chance to continue to fight.

 

I have not heard of the Obliterator Virus, but I want to hear more. Maybe it can be incorporated somehow? Sounds like it would fit in there nicely!

 

It's just the boiling bit that sounds out of place.

 

Maybe your right. I suppose I have always liked the term since reading it in The Crow graphic novel. There is a portion where he (The Crow) is stabbed and he simply pulls the blade from his own body without flinching. When his assailant makes a comment of surprise he replies... "Pain? I know pain at the molecular level... it pulls at my atoms... sings to me in an alphabet of fear... I am the boiling man!"

 

I'm a big Crow fan. I have a wicked tattoo of him on my forearm.

[Brother Hausser]

The Obliterator virus is what makes an Chaos Obliterator from a Chaos Space Marine. It origins lie in the infamous Eye of Terror. After the Horus Heresy, the traitors fled to the Eye of Terror, and there met with several virulent plagues that they had not encountered before. One of these is Nurgle's Rot, famed within the Death Guard. Also, the Chief Apothecary of the Emperor's Children Fabius Bile was experimenting with various pathogens, viruses and plagues and measuring the effect of the warp upon them. Whether it was from here that the Obliterator Virus comes is unknown, and will likely stay that way.

 

It effects a victim in 9 stages, ranging from simple carriage to total absorption. The carrier may not even know they have the virus until it is too late to stop. Due to the mutating nature of the virus, it tends to take time for the Obliterator to fully grow, and as such their numbers are quite limited, although in the Iron Warriors they are much more prolific. Why this is so is unknown, although rumours possibly mention the Iron Warrior's infecting their own warriors in order to increase their numbers. There is also some evidence that the virus has been left in the wake of Abaddon the Despoiler's 13th Black Crusade and is now spreading rampantly throughout the Imperium. With this revelation came the possibility of the existence of Obliterator Cults spreading through the worlds of the Imperium.

[AkiraCho]

basically people getting fused with their armor and weapons and they can change their weapons and bodies too, like living with a mechanical/organic demon thingy

[DutchKillsRambo]

I like the idea of making your Nurgle models corrupted doctors and such. Seems clever. Maybe the original chapter they came from was so obsessed with preventing mutation and such that they had extremely high numbers of apothecaries or something, and then they fell to Chaos.

 

On the other hand, Im not super keen on Khorne worshippers becoming so adept at the inner workings of technology, but then again, Chaos is extremely multi-faceted. Im interested by it though for sure. Sort of vaugely reminds me the demonculaba from Dead Sky Black Sun, but its clear your ideas came from elsewhere.

 

 

 

OT, is that Kevin McDonald from Kids in the Hall in your avatar?

[Lex Taliones]

Thanks much for the info on the virus guys. Can you guys point me in the direction of any good resources (still available) for some of this info besides the codexes and the 40k rulebook? When I started the hobby a couple weeks ago I bought the Chaos and Necron Codexes (the two armies that I found most attractive ... although it seems I am falling in love with chaos :)) and the latest edition of the rulebook.

 

I like the idea of making your Nurgle models corrupted doctors and such. Seems clever. Maybe the original chapter they came from was so obsessed with preventing mutation and such that they had extremely high numbers of apothecaries or something, and then they fell to Chaos.

 

On the other hand, Im not super keen on Khorne worshippers becoming so adept at the inner workings of technology, but then again, Chaos is extremely multi-faceted. Im interested by it though for sure. Sort of vaugely reminds me the demonculaba from Dead Sky Black Sun, but its clear your ideas came from elsewhere.

 

 

 

OT, is that Kevin McDonald from Kids in the Hall in your avatar?

 

 

I like the idea of the Apothecaries falling to chaos and leading the other marines along. Maybe the marines of the chapter regularly meet to replenish their supplies of stims and vaccines for their chirurgeon type backpacks and just a small group of the apothecaries falls to chaos ... and begin secretly replacing the life giving medicines and elixrs with chaos infecting agents? slowly turning their combat medics into walking horrors! Man, I haven't even played yet and I already love this game. I haven't had my creative juices going like this in literally years! Maybe it's partially because I quit video gaming?

 

Demonculuhubulahahhawha??? What's that? Sounds interesting? Sounds kind of manga-ish? Feel free to turn me on to anything else cool here.

 

Yes! ... that guy in my avatar is Sir Simon Milligan as played by Kevin McDonald from the PIT OF ULTIMATE DARKNESS on the Kids in the Hall. My avatar is a combination of just a few of my favorite evil people :lol:

[Commissar Molotov]

This is a semi-useful reference to the Obliterator virus.

[DutchKillsRambo]

Demonculaba are basically a pregnant woman/demon hybrid mix that gets force-fed chopped up peices of dead space marines until they give birth to skinless new marines. These marines then get clothed in the skin of captive humans that are bred to become huge, then skinned. I would recommen "Dead Sky Black Sun" by Graham McNeill as it gives some decent insight into the messed up ways of Chaos. I dont know about it being manga-ish, as Ive never been a fan.

 

I like the apothecaries converting the others idea. To often it is the Librarians that get blamed, and Apoth's overlooked. Its fresh and original, at least IMO.

 

 

Also, Im glad to see theres other Americans familiar with such a great Canadian TV show. Almost makes me want to change mine to Cabbage Head.l

[Lex Taliones]

So is this an officially recognized piece of fiction? Is it part of a series? If so, what would be the title of the first installment? Are there other series I should look at? I can use all the info I can get in helping me create my DIY as well as immerse myself in the world of 40k. (I was looking for some new fiction to read anyway.)

 

I also decided to change my trim paint colour from Chainmail to Mithril Silver. I tested it on one model and i like the look a little better ... seems to set of the darker colours nicely.

 

I am testing the J.B Weld and the Great Stuff today sometime ... I'll keep you posted on my results. I will also post pics either today or tomorrow of the Macragge set I painted, the progress of my first Chaos Marines, and my tests of the J.B Weld and Great Stuff.

 

Lex

 

OT- Cabbage Head Rules! KItH was one of my favorite shows before I quit watching TV.

 

Addend: I just discovered The Black Library ( http://www.blacklibrary.com/pdf/deadskyblacksun.pdf ) and I am perusing the site as well as I can as I watchmy kids. I'm trying to find where to start reading the fiction.

[Brother Barkus]

Read the Ultramarines Omnibus is a good start. Other books would be the Horus Heresy series.

[DutchKillsRambo]

Their also re-releasing Storm of Iron, which is by far one of the best looks at Chaos. Awesome book. Didnt read Dark Apostle though, but Im a fan of pretty much all BL novels, as it's pulp Sci-Fi, you cant really go wrong.

[Sigismund Himself]

Dark Apostle is a little meh. The insight into the Word Bearers is nice but the rest of it is not nearly as good. Plus the ending is a little annoying.

[Lex Taliones]

I also decided to change my trim paint colour from Chainmail to Mithril Silver. I tested it on one model and i like the look a little better ... seems to set of the darker colours nicely.

 

Changed my mind again. Chainmail is back on the trim, and Mithril is on the weapons. I think my "Hematite" mix is toosimilar to have the boltgun on the weapons and I needed better contrast there so I went with Mithril. Plus, i like thelook of the trim a little better.

 

Did I mention I'm colour blind? For all I know my Marines look ridiculous!

[Lex Taliones]

Ok ... what doyou think of this for my DIY Chapter names?

 

The Nurgle Marines: Entropy Saints ... and their symbol would be the caudecus made up of Snakes/Worms and bones.

 

The Khorne Marines: The Cog ... and their symbol would be (obviously) a cross between a cog and skull.

 

I've been thinking about it a lot as I prepare to work on my marines. Not sure how I'll get the symbols on their armor, or if I'll get the symbols on at all. Maybe for now I'll just get it on the banners.

[DutchKillsRambo]

Hey I remeber this thread. IMO, Sons of Entropy works better than Entropy Saints. Saints doesnt seeme to Chaos-y for me, but i do love the symbol idea.

 

Now for your Khornate Marines, I think Id have to see what your planning, because the Mechanicus symbol is also a cross between a cog and a skull. As for the name The Cog... Im not a huge fan, but thats partly because it makes me think of the character Cog from the Spawn comicbooks. But then again he was evil.

 

But now that Ive thought about it a little more, if it works perfectly. Cog has the connotation of something that moves inexorably forward, and if I remeber correctly, your marines are basically automatons. So yeah, I like the name.

[Lex Taliones]

Hey I remeber this thread. IMO, Sons of Entropy works better than Entropy Saints. Saints doesnt seeme to Chaos-y for me, but i do love the symbol idea.

 

Now for your Khornate Marines, I think Id have to see what your planning, because the Mechanicus symbol is also a cross between a cog and a skull. As for the name The Cog... Im not a huge fan, but thats partly because it makes me think of the character Cog from the Spawn comicbooks. But then again he was evil.

 

But now that Ive thought about it a little more, if it works perfectly. Cog has the connotation of something that moves inexorably forward, and if I remeber correctly, your marines are basically automatons. So yeah, I like the name.

 

Ya, I wasn't too sure about the Entropy Saints idea either. It does sound a little too ... uh ... nice. It's just that the Sons of Entropy sounds like they are the result of entropy, rather than the cause IMHO. I'm looking for something like Champions of Entropy, or Entropy Zealots, or something. I'll think on it some more. I guess.

 

I do really like The Cog though. ;)

[Commissar Molotov]

'Entropy Zealots'? 'Entropy Saints'? The problem I have with some of your names is it just seems like you've slapped two words together without real thought to it. Something that often helps is the syllable rule. The snappiest two-word names tend to be long/short or short/long. Black Templars is 1/2 - short/long. Crimson Fists, however, is a long/short name.

 

It helps it roll off the tongue easier. Give it a try, and it might help you come up with a snappier name.

[Lex Taliones]

'Entropy Zealots'? 'Entropy Saints'? The problem I have with some of your names is it just seems like you've slapped two words together without real thought to it. Something that often helps is the syllable rule. The snappiest two-word names tend to be long/short or short/long. Black Templars is 1/2 - short/long. Crimson Fists, however, is a long/short name.

 

It helps it roll off the tongue easier. Give it a try, and it might help you come up with a snappier name.

 

Nope, I actually put some thought into it. I'm pretty particular about any crafting I do ... even word crafting. I tend to work with a word's definition first, make a list of words I feel are appropriate, then work it out from there. i don't EVER just slap things together.

[Lex Taliones]

I know you're probably tire of this old thread, but since I am so fickle, and obsessive, I can't leave it alone...

 

i have decided on my two chapter names...

 

The Cog

 

&

 

The Sons of Entropy

 

Also, I just finished moving into a new home, and as part of that move I lost my awesome 200sq ft office where I used to play, craft, etc. I'm a little sad, but this is a better home for my family to grow in. I'll take the sacrifice and guild another office sometime next year hopefully. I mention this because also as part of the move (due to the loss of my office) I have moved all my stuff into a cramped basement. I had to build a spray-booth so I could do my base-coats indoors without getting totally stoned off of fumes. I must say, it turned out GREAT! I'll post picks of it (as well as picks of my models, and the new foam cutting tool I built) as soon as I can! I'll also give plans to anyone who's interested.

 

Ok ... I'll shut up now.

 

:yes:

[Geddonight]

Alright, that was a helpful read.

 

Here are my thoughts:

 

The Cog:

 

Space Marine vehicles come with gunner crews that have adeptus mechanicus symbols on the pauldrons (half cog and skull). I know I have a few hiding somewhere in my bits boxes... perhaps you could use them to help identify your champions, etc.

 

This army screams dreadnoughts and defilers. Actually, the dreadnoughts would be awesomely represented with penitent engine parts--they'd be victims/volunteers strapped into horrible chaos machines, driven insane by drugs and pain. I also see Khorne Beserkers as the ones who've fully undergone "the treatment" while the regular renegades with marks & icons of khorne are aspirants trying to prove their worth.

 

Sons of Entropy:

 

The soon-to-be-obsolete Space Marine codex has a chapter trait "Purity Above All" where all veteran sergeants are apothecaries. I could see modeling all of your chaos champions to look like twisted apothecaries. You could run with a different overall color scheme, but use the white armor for the champions in each squad. Then it could very well be explained that the chapter recently fell to hyper warp-based diseases while fighting a chaos infestation. What I would think about doing is come up with some ideas for what the chapter used to be-- the "Sons of ____" and then, as they succumb to the plagues that ravage their chapter, they change their chapter name in a forlorn attempt to placate pappa nurgle (no doubt driven to that extreme as elements of the Inquisition, Adeptus Mechanicus, and other Astartes chapters attempt to purge them from the galaxy). It could be a real cool greek tragedy type of story.

 

I think this chapter is best represented by a force that most closely mimics a standard space marine chapter--little to no daemonic influences, no defilers, no obliterators, etc. (though they could very well show up if you decide that the Sons of Entropy have been established as a chaos chapter for 300-400 years). Use havocs and chosen; use space marine assault marines with some chaos conversions for raptors, etc.

 

Just some thoughts. We can discuss more in person too.

 

Cheers!

[Lex Taliones]

UPDATE!

 

I am concentrating my efforts on completing my Chaos army, and the bulk of what will be my "Cog" Chapter. I'm going to start writing the fluff sometime after Christmas. I'll submit it here for review.

 

I have put my other DIY chapter on hold for now. I'll work on the "Sons of Entropy" later. It's nice working on a custom chapter, but after I get most of my "Cog" units finished I want to try painting up some chapters from right out of the codex. I'm starting with a squad of Khorne berserkers that came with my Chaos Battleforce.

 

I've been experimenting with different paints, materials, and techniques and I did some really neat looking Posessed Chaos Marines for my army that have all the metal look that my other "Cog" guys have, plus I tried something new to give them a "glass" look. So they look like metal soldiers encased in a skin of red glass. I'm working on building a little digital photo booth so I can take nice close-up shots of my work so I can put it up soon for you guys to see. I also was torn between what kind of clear-coat varnish I wanted to put on for a while, but I came up with a great idea. I liked the gloss look for my "Cog" guys since they are supposed to be forged from metal, but I didnt want everything to be gloss (terrain bases, tires on the Chaos bikes, the skulls embellishing their armor, the flesh on the Chaos Spawn, etc), so I sprayed a few coats of matte varnish down on all the pieces, then I went over and brushed gloss varnish on all the metal & glass portions of the pieces. Pretty good huh?

 

I'm starting to make my own terrain finally. I've been talking about it for a while, but I'm actually drawing plans now, and I'll be cutting/painting/gluing/etc sometime after Christmas. I have a neat idea for some of the pieces I'm doing. Any of you guys ever play Star Wars Galaxies? I used to play back when the game was great (it's dead now), and there are a lot of different styled of player housing/buildings in the game. I always liked their look, so I am going to make a bunch of abandoned &/or burned out ruins based on the buildings of Star Wars Galaxies!

They should fit pretty well on a gaming table I think!

 

Anyway, that's my update for now. Everyone have a merry Christmas & Happy holidays!

 

Lex