Abaddon's sword, Drach'Nyen...

[Commander Skaav]

Ok, so this question may have been asked elsewhere, I've searched for it using the Forum's search function, but can't seem to locate a thread in relation to my question or statement (depending on how this is read).

 

Right, ok, so I've been a Chaos collector for a while now and I have a few "representatives" of the Black Legion in my Undivided army (the bulk is Nurgle but it is lead by an undivided lord) and I do indeed have a miniature of Ezekyle Abbadon the Desopoiler, (it just doesn't feel right to me now if I don't use his first name as well). Any way as all, or at least most Chaos collectors will know he carries with him the Daemon Sword named Drach'Nyen.

 

Now I've heard numerous stories in regards to this weapon, and whilst I tend to stick with it being a Daemon weapon after all why else would a Champion of Chaos such has Abaddon use it? I am intrigued by one theory that it may infact be the "Outcast" who is also the 4th C'tan, the 1st two being the Deciever and the Nightbringer (obviously), and the third supposedly being the Dragon (who is said to sleep beneath Mars, is worshipped as the Machine god, and if should awaken, would cause the entire fall of the Imperium in more ways than the Horus Heresy everh hoped to achieve!)

 

I digress from the subject at hand though if I continue to talk about the Dragon. I guess that in a nutshell I am interested to know does this theory hold any ground in the background of 40K, or is it simply fan fiction fluff that's been put out on the web due to misinterpretations, or has there been hints or clues in other sources and codex's I may have missed as to Drach'nyen's true yet somewhat mysterious origins?

[davidren2401]

The only bit of evidence I have read to support that theory is the fact that Drach'Nyen was found in a TOMB and Abbandon was directed their by a GOLDEN SKINED prophet. Personally I buy into the theory that the 4th C'Tan is the Tyranid over mind. When the other 3 constructed their tomb worlds and went dorment this one built a Tomb Ship and set sail beyond the Eastern Fringe in search of a fresh galaxy. He found the tyranid's home galaxy and after taking control of them and devouring their entire galaxy through them he grew himself some hive ships and set off back towards his own home galaxy, longing for the taste of star flesh. The Drach'Neyn theory is interesting though, one could only guess at what neferius scheme the Deciever is playing out here.

[Brother Nihm]

As the entity within his blade is described as: a writhing warp entity capable of rending reality apart, I doubt that it's a C'than.

Ezekyle was also granted the sword by the Chaos gods.

 

Just why the (alleged) Deceiver led him to the sword, is what I find to be the most puzzling.;)

[Khestra the Unbeheld]

As the entity within his blade is described as: a writhing warp entity capable of rending reality apart, I doubt that it's a C'than.

Ezekyle was also granted the sword by the Chaos gods.

 

Just why the (alleged) Deceiver led him to the sword, is what I find to be the most puzzling.:)

 

Deceiver needs a weapon to take out Nightbringer but can't wield the weapon needed himself. Who better to do the dirty work for him than Abaddon?

 

Of course, there'll be a price to pay for that little dalliance, but Deceiver can only play his tricks once or twice before the tool wises up and guts the master. :yes:

[AkiraCho]

its one of those mysteries i think GW will never reveal to us, if it is indeed a c'tan then i wonder what it will do.

 

if its a gift from chaos then rightfully so.

 

if its the hive mind, then holy bogus why a sword? i would think its a giant alian brain thing

[the jeske]

I am intrigued by one theory that it may infact be the "Outcast" who is also the 4th C'tan, the 1st two being the Deciever and the Nightbringer

you mean the Outsider the one that is siting in his sphere ? It cant be him . why? well first we have the nids fleet that tried to get inside and after the first tendrils were lost decide to go around it [a thing that never happened before] . Second thing the sword was always show as housing a demon . It was so in the 2ed and I dont think it has changed ever since .

[Nakuth]

I am shocked that no one has yet questioned just what would happen to the Outsider when Abby brought the sword back to his base deep in the EOT. Warp + C'tan= bad things for C'tan, unless I am mistaken?

 

Apart from that, it is an intriguing idea; and the question of why The Deciever led Abby to the sword is an even bigger intrigue.......

[TheDarkApostle]

I am shocked that no one has yet questioned just what would happen to the Outsider when Abby brought the sword back to his base deep in the EOT. Warp + C'tan= bad things for C'tan, unless I am mistaken?

 

Apart from that, it is an intriguing idea; and the question of why The Deciever led Abby to the sword is an even bigger intrigue.......

Ah well, some things point to the Deviever having a hand in the creation of the Tau and their evolution as well... Guess we will never know fully why's that either. :)

 

TDA

[davidren2401]

I am shocked that no one has yet questioned just what would happen to the Outsider when Abby brought the sword back to his base deep in the EOT. Warp + C'tan= bad things for C'tan, unless I am mistaken?

 

Apart from that, it is an intriguing idea; and the question of why The Deciever led Abby to the sword is an even bigger intrigue.......

Ah well, some things point to the Deviever having a hand in the creation of the Tau and their evolution as well... Guess we will never know fully why's that either. ;)

 

TDA

 

Did he? I thought the Tau were created by The Old Ones to combat the Nids?

[Commander Skaav]

I am shocked that no one has yet questioned just what would happen to the Outsider when Abby brought the sword back to his base deep in the EOT. Warp + C'tan= bad things for C'tan, unless I am mistaken?

 

Apart from that, it is an intriguing idea; and the question of why The Deciever led Abby to the sword is an even bigger intrigue.......

Ah well, some things point to the Deviever having a hand in the creation of the Tau and their evolution as well... Guess we will never know fully why's that either. ;)

 

TDA

 

Did he? I thought the Tau were created by The Old Ones to combat the Nids?

 

Actually I had a feeling it was the Orks, after all they believe they were created by a group of beings they call "Brainboyz", which is assumed to be the old ones :(.

[Maeklos]

The Old Ones created the Eldar and the Orks. Possible the humans, too. The Tau were probably created by the Eldar, since their evolution has happened in the span of the last 10,000 years of Imperial history, long, long, long after the Old Ones had been driven away or destroyed by the Enslavers.

[Khestra the Unbeheld]

If the Tau were created to fight the Nids, then outside of fluff, they did a piss-poor job of design work. :lol:

 

If the Necron Codex tells it right, humans weren't so much created by the Old Ones as encouraged to come down from the trees and use those thumbs by them near the end of the Yngir War, but then they were exterminated and that was that. Humanity was pretty much left to fend and develop for itself, which is why I think it is that the Necrons haven't begun to know the hurting Humanity can bring down on them. As far as getting a taste goes, the Necrons had better put on some helmets, because we're the flavor that'll blow their minds! :D

[the jeske]

Actually I had a feeling it was the Orks, after all they believe they were created by a group of beings they call "Brainboyz", which is assumed to be the old one

Wow people do remember what the story behind Brainboyz? Well the brainboyz were snotlings . they were using their masteries of the warp to control the more simple orks. the main power source for the BB were a special breed of fungus . and the BB made the orks harvest the fungus for them . What tge BB didnt knew was , that the orks were eating the fungus too and geting smarter. After some time there was a rebelion . The orks dumped the BB rule and the BBs without the fungus started to go all mental. On the other hand the orks who got smarter, but soon the fungus run out and orks reverted to the behavioral paterns implanted in to them by the BBs . and so were born the orks we know today.

[IronWinds]

Deceiver needs a weapon to take out Nightbringer but can't wield the weapon needed himself. Who better to do the dirty work for him than Abaddon?

 

Maybe a Blackstone fortress which Abaddon already got. The deceiver is suppose to have helped him do that, but part of that was just to keep the eldar from having them.

 

I also doubt the Outsider is the hive mind, or in a sword. The outsider is crazy, not doing stupid stuff crazy, but hears voices. Well I wonder if he is crazy, he hears voices in his head, but there really are voices in his head. The eldar tricked the outsider into devouring his follower 'lesser C'tan' and now he hears them talking to him all the time. That and being trapped in that sphere has probably made him nutz. I can't remember where I read that he was crazy, but it implies it in the Necron codex, and there was a story online that had the Outsider fighting the Eldar and they tricked him into eating a few weaker C'tan.

 

 

Did he? I thought the Tau were created by The Old Ones to combat the Nids?

 

They are far to young of a race to have been created by the old ones for any reason. They 'could' be leftovers of the old ones. That is a possibility, or they could have secretly been trained and sophisticated by the Deciever. He could have easily manipulated them, first teaching them how to build these weapons and tech, then turning them against each other in a big war, and finally playing god to the Etherals and telling them what to say and do to end the war. End result, new very powerful and unified race, and the deceiver as the whisper in their ear. The Deceiver would also like the Tau coming onto the scene. They are not a psychic race which is what the Necrons really have problems with. The Necrons would have a much easier time taking on just the Tau then the Eldar, or Humans. Maybe not in game terms, but in fluff. The Tau may be advanced, but I think they lack the psychic power(which is why the old ones even made the Eldar) or the tech the old ones had(the old ones made the warp gates). So it would likely be an even more pitiful war than the war against the old ones. The original Tau codex also talked about a world very close to their homeworld having giant underwater pyramids on it.

[the jeske]

its was the night bringer that done the eating . He didnt eat 3 of his kin . The deciver [too sneaky , but he tried], the void dragon [too powerful] and the outsider[now this one is interesting , by our standards all gods are crazy . but the outsider was seen as crazy and dangerous by his own kin . now this does tell something about him, doesnt it ].

[Darkoth]

i'm liking the i'm gonna give you a sword so you can kill the other stargod approach :lol:

[Gorb]

Righto, fluff time! *wonders why the hell Imrix hasn't posted yet*

 

Okay, off-points first. Tau were NOT created by the Old Ones, their development is attributed to either Necrons (the Deceiver in particular) or the Eldar. The Orks (formerly known as the Krork) were created to counter the Nids. Unfortunately when the Old Ones had to abandon the galaxy the Krork were an unfinished race, and they devolved into the barbaric Orks.

 

As for Drach'nyen. It is NOT a blade containing a C'tan. As Brother Nihm said, the blade contains a writhing Warp entity, the exact opposite of the C'tan. The 4th C'tan is also NOT the Tyranid Hive mind, the Hive mind is in fact a gigantic psychic (yes, PSYCHIC) collective. The 4 C'tan currently known to exist are:

 

Kaelis Ra (the Nightbringer) - currently wandering around and causing general mayhem.

 

The Jackal God (the Deceiver) - currently wandering around sneakily and causing general mayhem.

 

The Void Dragon - currently stuck on Mars *asleep*, has a few senior AdMech officials worshipping him in a heretical way.

 

The Outsider - the one GW has told us the least about. Stuck in a Dyson Sphere which everyone and everything is leaving well alone, because going near it turns you mad.

 

Hope that sums a few things up.

[davidren2401]

Where is the Dyson Sphere?

[Commander Skaav]

Where is the Dyson Sphere?

 

Does it matter really, from what I can tell, this has thread has been summed up by the previous post before the one I'm quoting, and I'm happy, obviously if there is anything else I've missed here or overlooked, any information, would be great.

[Kingin]

Gorb, you are somewhat right, in a way, and I will show you.

The Kroks (Orks) were created by the old ones to fight off the NECRONS!!! Which they had a war with, because of the fungus this race will essentially never become extinct. You can find this stuff in WIKI. The Eldar did NOT create Tau, because after the "scream of Slannash" ( sorry if i spell wrong) they were mostly worried about there OWN kind. This helps clarify things http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Ones this website talks how the Old Ones were THOUGHT to be extinct, and they go around to minor planets to make them smarter to battle there War against The C'Tan. So there might be more of them out there that made some other races, but because they are few its going to be hard to spot one or two. lol.

 

My 2 cents

[Primarch Naogedd]

First of all,

 

The Blackstone Fortresses were created by Vaul to kill the Void Dragon. There were twelve, then 6 were destroyed in the war, 2 Blackstones died in the Gothic War, 1 the Imps got back, so Abbadon has 3. Since there's only a quarter of the Blackstones left, they can't do squat. It's also hinted in the Necron Codex that the Deciever helped start the Gothic war in order to kill the 6 remaining Blackstones. With 6 left, the only person threatened was the Deciever, being the weakest of the C'tan, so there's some serious self-preservation motive there.

 

The Krork/Orks, as well as the Eldar, and Jokaero and others (possibly humans) were created by the Old Ones to help fight the C'tan, but when they left, the Old Ones were pretty much dead and the other races regressed.

 

It was the Outsider that was driven crazy by the Deceiver, and forced to eat other C'tan and eventually locked up in his Dyson Sphere, which Leviathan is avoiding.

 

Drach'nyen was specifically a Daemon weapon, and as said before if it was the outsider he'd have a nasty time in the Eye of Terror.

 

The Nightbringer used to be the most powerful C'tan, but he fought Kaela Mensha Khaine, who destroyed his real scythe on the Deciever's advice.

 

It's my personal opinion that the Void Dragon, who is the guy under Noctis Labyrinthus, being kept alive in a strange parody of the psyker sacrifices to the Emperor, as they're feeding the Void Dragon life essence, is the guy who is the Machine Spirit. The machine spirit basically does what it's told to because the Void Dragon is still dormant, but if it woke, and got mad, very bad things would happen. For example, every Leman Russ, Chimaera, Rhino, Razorback, Vindicator, Land Raider, Hellhound, Whirlwind, Sentinel, Baneblade, Stormsword, Shadowsword, and more than a few Titans would go directly to his command, him being the Machine God.

 

Evil stuff.

 

Naogedd out.

[TheDarkApostle]

It could also the added that the Nightbringers weapon, which was a sword if I recall correctly, wasn't really destroyed per see, but rather sent into the middle of the immaterium :teehee:

 

TDA

[BrainFireBob]

Nightbringer's weapon was a scythe.

 

Allright, in order.

 

A dyson sphere was proposed by a physicist whose name, as I recall, was Dyson. Shortly, that you could build a shell enclosing a sun that was solar powered, that had gravity from centrifugal force if you spun it, and would have a vast living area. Larry Niven adapted the principle for his Ringworld, which is a ring orbiting a sun, vs. an enclosing sphere.

 

The Outsider- and theoretically, I suppose, his entire quarter of the Necrons- could live comfortably in the sphere with room to spare.

 

Drach'nyen is a super-warp weapon.

 

Two fluff points to consider.

 

1) The Blackstone fortresses were created by primordial Eldar and their gods to kill C'tan (yes, kill).

 

2) Eldrad had proved to have foresight rivalling the Deceiver's own.

 

Combine these, and the Eldar are a threat to the resurgent Necrons, especially if they know where the Blackstones are.

 

Solution: Remove the Blackstones from the Eldar's possible reach. Where can't the Eldar recover them? Why, if Chaos has them.

 

Solution: Give Abaddon the key to finding the most powerful of all Daemon weapons, perhaps even the lost blade of Vaul, which the Deceiver may have hidden in the first place, as another anti-C'tan weapon. Give it to a powerful, non-psyker Chaos warlord to elevate him to a supreme command position. Encourage said warlord to seize the Blackstone fortresses by revealing their secret power, but not their purpose. Ensure that the fortresses not destroyed are captured.

 

Incidentally, this plan saw the "demise" of Eldrad, the only person to thwart the Deceiver's convoluted schemes. Coincidence? Maybe.

 

Mind, this all presupposes the GW writers have a rough bible worked out of what the Deceiver is doing.

[the jeske]

only the Blades of Vaul are only methaforicly weapons . They are ships , just like the seals that closed up The Void Dragon were the BSF.

 

The Nightbringer used to be the most powerful C'tan, but he fought Kaela Mensha Khaine, who destroyed his real scythe on the Deciever's advice.

again same thing . the real weapon of the night bringer ,"the sun killer" was a space ship.

All the ctan defeted by coalition of races werent killed , because the coalition was too weak for that . But they did managed to destroy both the Dragons and Night Bringers ships and use the seals on the Dragon to trap him .

[Pariah Mk.231]

Wow, I love a good fluff-theory discussion ... unfortunately you guys have already gone well beyond what I already know (due to me being out of the hobby for about a year) so I can't really add anything.

 

I do however love the theory about the Deceiver having a hand in the evolution of the Tau, and leading Abaddon to discovering Drach'Nyen. This is the first I've heard about the Outsider, but I knew about the Dragon.

I'm really going to have to get back into reading all the established fluff to bring myself back up to speed.