Abaddon's sword, Drach'Nyen...

[Captain Idaho]

sure this topic has been comprehensively anwsered, but its a slow Sunday afternoon and im bored!

 

Personally I buy into the theory that the 4th C'Tan is the Tyranid over mind. When the other 3 constructed their tomb worlds and went dorment this one built a Tomb Ship and set sail beyond the Eastern Fringe in search of a fresh galaxy. He found the tyranid's home galaxy and after taking control of them and devouring their entire galaxy through them he grew himself some hive ships and set off back towards his own home galaxy, longing for the taste of star flesh. The Drach'Neyn theory is interesting though, one could only guess at what neferius scheme the Deciever is playing out here.

 

fine theory, but it doesnt take into account several factors that would make this impossible.

 

1) the C'tan have no ability what so ever to affect the warp except to create null zones (i.e. Pariahs and Pylons). the Tyranids are a highly psychic race and therefore would more likely be weapons of the Old ones as they utilised genetic and psychic weapons against the C'tan.

 

2) the Tyranids eat all the prey and leave no survivers. this contradicts the vision of the future that the Eldar Farseer had in Codex future (the C'tan plan for the future) and more importantly, how the hell do the C'tan get to eat?!

 

3) the Outsider is the 4th C'tan. hes in realm of metal surrounding a Sun, feeding off its energy (as per Adept Corteswain's testimony). apparently the "Dyson sphere" in the out skirts of the galaxy (as per Codex Necrons)

 

as for the sword unpronouncable, its a daemon weapon. question is, what kind of Daemon? definitely a greater one, but there is little info on from what power.

[Commander Skaav]

as for the sword unpronouncable, its a daemon weapon. question is, what kind of Daemon? definitely a greater one, but there is little info on from what power.

 

There is one theory that I have, that the daemon within the sword itself, is a Greater Daemon of the now forgotten power Malal (I seem to think about Malal alot in posts such as these, perhaps a little too much), though I will admit it does not seem plausible because Malal hates all the other Chaos Gods as he is the Renegade God, Abaddon follows all 4 powers as Chaos Undivided.

 

Perhaps it's something we will never know as official background will always be ambiguous to the full story of Chaos and it's powers.

[TheDarkApostle]

sure this topic has been comprehensively anwsered, but its a slow Sunday afternoon and im bored!

 

Personally I buy into the theory that the 4th C'Tan is the Tyranid over mind. When the other 3 constructed their tomb worlds and went dorment this one built a Tomb Ship and set sail beyond the Eastern Fringe in search of a fresh galaxy. He found the tyranid's home galaxy and after taking control of them and devouring their entire galaxy through them he grew himself some hive ships and set off back towards his own home galaxy, longing for the taste of star flesh. The Drach'Neyn theory is interesting though, one could only guess at what neferius scheme the Deciever is playing out here.

 

fine theory, but it doesnt take into account several factors that would make this impossible.

 

1) the C'tan have no ability what so ever to affect the warp except to create null zones (i.e. Pariahs and Pylons). the Tyranids are a highly psychic race and therefore would more likely be weapons of the Old ones as they utilised genetic and psychic weapons against the C'tan.

 

2) the Tyranids eat all the prey and leave no survivers. this contradicts the vision of the future that the Eldar Farseer had in Codex future (the C'tan plan for the future) and more importantly, how the hell do the C'tan get to eat?!

 

3) the Outsider is the 4th C'tan. hes in realm of metal surrounding a Sun, feeding off its energy (as per Adept Corteswain's testimony). apparently the "Dyson sphere" in the out skirts of the galaxy (as per Codex Necrons)

 

as for the sword unpronouncable, its a daemon weapon. question is, what kind of Daemon? definitely a greater one, but there is little info on from what power.

Actually the Pariahs "null void" is genetical and not something the Necrons have created themselves. As a matter of fact I recall all Pariahs originally being humans born with the Pariah gene, something which results in both the Inquisition hunting them down to make their Assassins and the NEcrons hunting them down to make Pariahs.

 

TDA

[Leonaides]

@The Jeske - "only the Blades of Vaul are only methaforicly weapons . They are ships , just like the seals that closed up The Void Dragon were the BSF." The baldes of Vaul were real swords. The 3rd Dawn of War book (Tempest) has the Blood Ravens realising that one of their Librarians has been using a force weapon of eldar origin made from the broken fragments of the imperfect Blade of Vaul. 99 perfect ones and one other to make up the numbers for Khaine's battle with the Necrons....

[the jeske]

First of all if any book should not be canon its the BR ones . To much PC game in . thats one thing.

Second thing . Yes the weapons are described as swords of great power in Eldar legends. From the time when they were a very , very young race . Its just like in our legends . The eldar gods were made by the old ones [a bit like the big E made his primarchs] , the swords is a symbol of power and war[remember as much as we like it the fluff the story is writen by RL humans and not eldar. no swords, no matter how powerful could have destroyed a space going race or huge Ctan ship .

[BrainFireBob]

The Necrons implanted the Pariah gene into humanity, so yes, they did in fact have something to do with it.

[Khestra the Unbeheld]

The Necrons implanted the Pariah gene into humanity, so yes, they did in fact have something to do with it.

 

Source? There's nothing in the Necron or Eldar Codices to suggest the Necrons ever had direct contact with humanity prior to their stasis hibernation; in fact, it's more suggestive that unlike most of the other races, humanity remained basically untouched by outside forces.

[TheDarkApostle]

First of all if any book should not be canon its the BR ones . To much PC game in . thats one thing.

Second thing . Yes the weapons are described as swords of great power in Eldar legends. From the time when they were a very , very young race . Its just like in our legends . The eldar gods were made by the old ones [a bit like the big E made his primarchs] , the swords is a symbol of power and war[remember as much as we like it the fluff the story is writen by RL humans and not eldar. no swords, no matter how powerful could have destroyed a space going race or huge Ctan ship .

http://uk.games-workshop.com/necrons/eldar-mythology/

 

Whilst the Death-bringer sought ever darker ways to slake its unquenchable thirst, Khaine was not idle. He struck a bargain with Vaul the Smith-God; in exchange for Kurnous' and Isha's release from Khaine's dungeons, Vaul would forge one hundred swords for Khaine's war against the Yngir. Thus were born the Swords of Vaul; the Blade-Wraiths.

 

TDA

[Commander Skaav]

First of all if any book should not be canon its the BR ones . To much PC game in . thats one thing.

Second thing . Yes the weapons are described as swords of great power in Eldar legends. From the time when they were a very , very young race . Its just like in our legends . The eldar gods were made by the old ones [a bit like the big E made his primarchs] , the swords is a symbol of power and war[remember as much as we like it the fluff the story is writen by RL humans and not eldar. no swords, no matter how powerful could have destroyed a space going race or huge Ctan ship .

http://uk.games-workshop.com/necrons/eldar-mythology/

 

Whilst the Death-bringer sought ever darker ways to slake its unquenchable thirst, Khaine was not idle. He struck a bargain with Vaul the Smith-God; in exchange for Kurnous' and Isha's release from Khaine's dungeons, Vaul would forge one hundred swords for Khaine's war against the Yngir. Thus were born the Swords of Vaul; the Blade-Wraiths.

 

TDA

 

An rather interesting and intriguing peice.

[BrainFireBob]

Actually, the Necron codex itself.

 

The Deceiver seeded the Pariah gene- the "Harvest" is the harvest of Pariahs, to aid in sealing the warp once and for all, and as a tool to prevent the Enslaver plague from returning.

[Primarch Naogedd]

The Tau and the Pariahs were made by the C'tan before they went into stasis. Neither of them have any psychic signature, which is exactly what the C'tan wanted.

 

My theory is that the Ethereals are actually estranged Eldar, who went astray at the birth of Slaanesh and found the Tau to guide. If the Deciever came back and made the Ethereals "disappear", eventually the Tau, without Ethereals to guide them, would go back to warring and then the Deciever could step in and take control.

[chaos strong]

Where does it say the Tau were created by the C'tan? That is rumors

 

I like the Eldar approach for the ethereals, never thought of that, but pretty cool.

[Commander Skaav]

Where does it say the Tau were created by the C'tan? That is rumors

 

I like the Eldar approach for the ethereals, never thought of that, but pretty cool.

 

 

I have to agree with you on the Tau being created by the C'tan, I've heard nothing on this matter, I would also say it's rumours.

 

As for the Eldar and the Ethereals, I would need a little bit of convincing on that one, as to why, I don't quite know, but it sounds a little too obvious to me, but hey, that's just me being me B).

[Parias]

Interestingley enough, no one mentioned the excerpt from Necron dex when Abaddon asks about the Mars, and what's under it. This could be some form of connection with the C'tan...maybe Deciever said to him that he extrapolates the exact location of The Dragon?

[Vassakov]

Right, the Eldar's Fall:

1. Created the Eye of Terror, thus collapsing the Warp Storms and allowing the Great Crusade to begin and

2. Occurred way after the 'Crons went to sleep.

 

So... in Eisenhorn, amongst other places (and frankly, I'm inclined to trust what Abnett says, but thats my opinion) the Cadian Gate exists because of the Pylons - created by the Necrons. Who were asleep when the Eye opened. :cuss?!? Someone can't have thought that through, unless I have my timeline screwed up. Either that or the Cadian Pylons were astonishingly well placed. Also, again from Eisenhorn Quixos is described as trying to use the Pylons to collapse the Warp Storms and therefore the Eye. Which would surely leave humanity stuffed? Or am I way over my head here?

 

Oh, and is Cyphers sword relevant, cause no other Primarchs weapon seems to be significant. Could it be that Cypher and Abbadon were both manipulated by the Deceiver as a form of insurance policy - if one fails, the other must succeed. If this is so, what game is the Deceiver playing? Destroy Mankind, or control it?

[davidren2401]

Right, the Eldar's Fall:

1. Created the Eye of Terror, thus collapsing the Warp Storms and allowing the Great Crusade to begin and

2. Occurred way after the 'Crons went to sleep.

 

So... in Eisenhorn, amongst other places (and frankly, I'm inclined to trust what Abnett says, but thats my opinion) the Cadian Gate exists because of the Pylons - created by the Necrons. Who were asleep when the Eye opened. :cuss?!? Someone can't have thought that through, unless I have my timeline screwed up. Either that or the Cadian Pylons were astonishingly well placed. Also, again from Eisenhorn Quixos is described as trying to use the Pylons to collapse the Warp Storms and therefore the Eye. Which would surely leave humanity stuffed? Or am I way over my head here?

 

Oh, and is Cyphers sword relevant, cause no other Primarchs weapon seems to be significant. Could it be that Cypher and Abbadon were both manipulated by the Deceiver as a form of insurance policy - if one fails, the other must succeed. If this is so, what game is the Deceiver playing? Destroy Mankind, or control it?

 

You're right about Cadia being well placed but remember there are thousands of tomb worlds through out the galaxy and everyone of them has pylons. So the fact that there just so happens to be one near the eye isn't that astounding.

 

As far as I know if the pylons are destroyed the only stable route into the eye will collapse leaving the chaos space marines trapped inside and elimenating at least one threat to the Imperium.

 

The sword of Lion El Johnson which Cypher carries is proberly only significant as a relic. After all the DA still carry the Lion's helmet as if it's the holy freakin grail. I'm sure it's a potent weapon but I doubt anything much will happen as a consequence of reforging it.

[GrantDaKiller]

anyone ever wondered what would happen to the tyrannids if the necrons manage to block the warp???.....

[the jeske]

nothing as nids psy powers are not based on the warp . they would lose they warp travel ability[what if you ask me was a very , very stupid idea in the new nids dex .along with the 3 days eating up a planet] , but somehow nids lived without this in the 2ed and 3ed .

[BrainFireBob]

The Hivemind exists "in" the Warp- they would lose contact with the Hivemind, jeske.

[Eiric Hakon]

I think there was something like this on the C'tan Support Group.... here's the link to the Background board

 

As far as I can make out Abaddon was lead to Drach'Nyen by the Deceiver....possibly to kill the Nightbringer....just what I think, I'm probably wrong...

[Commander Skaav]

Right, the Eldar's Fall:

1. Created the Eye of Terror, thus collapsing the Warp Storms and allowing the Great Crusade to begin and

2. Occurred way after the 'Crons went to sleep.

 

So... in Eisenhorn, amongst other places (and frankly, I'm inclined to trust what Abnett says, but thats my opinion) the Cadian Gate exists because of the Pylons - created by the Necrons. Who were asleep when the Eye opened. :cuss?!? Someone can't have thought that through, unless I have my timeline screwed up. Either that or the Cadian Pylons were astonishingly well placed. Also, again from Eisenhorn Quixos is described as trying to use the Pylons to collapse the Warp Storms and therefore the Eye. Which would surely leave humanity stuffed? Or am I way over my head here?

 

Oh, and is Cyphers sword relevant, cause no other Primarchs weapon seems to be significant. Could it be that Cypher and Abbadon were both manipulated by the Deceiver as a form of insurance policy - if one fails, the other must succeed. If this is so, what game is the Deceiver playing? Destroy Mankind, or control it?

 

You're right about Cadia being well placed but remember there are thousands of tomb worlds through out the galaxy and everyone of them has pylons. So the fact that there just so happens to be one near the eye isn't that astounding.

 

As far as I know if the pylons are destroyed the only stable route into the eye will collapse leaving the chaos space marines trapped inside and elimenating at least one threat to the Imperium.

 

The sword of Lion El Johnson which Cypher carries is proberly only significant as a relic. After all the DA still carry the Lion's helmet as if it's the holy freakin grail. I'm sure it's a potent weapon but I doubt anything much will happen as a consequence of reforging it.

 

Hang on... have I missed something here? Has something passed me by? Cadia a Tomb-World! I must have missed that one by a long shot! I don't even recall it being mentioned in Codex Imperial Guard!

[davidren2401]

Oh yeah, Cadia's totally a tomb world. The pylons on the surface were even disscussed in-depth in a WD article where an Imperial Surveyer makes direct comparrisons between these pylons and one's on other worlds that have since lost contact with the imperium (necron awakening anyone?) Personally I think GW will make the Crons a central theme in the 14th Black Crusade

[Khestra the Unbeheld]

Oh yeah, Cadia's totally a tomb world. The pylons on the surface were even disscussed in-depth in a WD article where an Imperial Surveyer makes direct comparrisons between these pylons and one's on other worlds that have since lost contact with the imperium (necron awakening anyone?) Personally I think GW will make the Crons a central theme in the 14th Black Crusade

 

I'd feel sorry for the Necrons, then. Imagine waking up after so-and-so-million years of stasis to flex those metal bones and do some harvesting for my demigods, only to have to face down not only several hundred Regiments of really ornery IG, SMs, etc. that call this place home, but also the hordes of invading Chaos and all their Warp-driven daemonic glory. I think I'd hit snooze on the alarm and stay dormant until the dust settles; that's love only an Ork would want to jump into the middle of. :P

[Commander Skaav]

Oh yeah, Cadia's totally a tomb world. The pylons on the surface were even disscussed in-depth in a WD article where an Imperial Surveyer makes direct comparrisons between these pylons and one's on other worlds that have since lost contact with the imperium (necron awakening anyone?) Personally I think GW will make the Crons a central theme in the 14th Black Crusade

 

Which issue of White dwarf does it feature in? It might be one I don't have as I only started buying WD in 2002, even though I'd been playing 40K for 2 years by then.

 

And I have to say I honestly like the idea of a 14th Black Crusade, it would give me chance to dust off and repaint (using the best paints available, and I do mean foundation paints which I absolutely love I might add) some of my older Chaos Marine models (ones I have not used very often)

[davidren2401]

Which issue of White dwarf does it feature in? It might be one I don't have as I only started buying WD in 2002, even though I'd been playing 40K for 2 years by then.

 

Can't remember but it was around the time of the Eye of Terror campaign. Anybody out there wana help me out?