Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 the Angels Pentenance, they have some strange beliefs. they believe that the traitor legions dont deserve to be hated, but to be shown pity for having fallen from the emperor, they also believe that the emperor cant be brought back until every traitor has been killed so that they may repent and be forgiven. they theN take the corrupted geneseed, and store them looking for a way to purify and cleanse them so they could be used to recreate the orginal legions, this questionable practice has led to the inquisition to send an inquisitor to keep an eye on them, and since his arrival 100yrs ago, he has formed a good relationship with the chapter. the chapter works very closely with their parent chapter. the BA created the subchapter during the 15th founding. colors red white and gold SPOILER FOR MY FANFIC ok, so i just had an idea while browsing thru the DA forum. what if the head of the AP 'discovered' a 'previously unknown' chaos legion that just so happens to be the fallen of the DA? the DA close on the trail of the group the AP find try to take the hunt over, but end up letting the AP in on their dirty little secret so as not to cause a big inter chapter commotion. the fallen are led by cypher, who as is his tradition causes a big hub-bub, but in the end makes the imperium stronger by creating a strong bond between 2 chapters...what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Legion Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I like that colour combo. post some pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StenMK1 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 the Angels Pentenance, they have some strange beliefs. they believe that the traitor legions dont deserve to be hated, but to be shown pity for having fallen from the emperor, they also believe that the emperor cant be brought back until every traitor has been killed so that they may repent and be forgiven. they they take the corrupted geneseed, and store them looking for a way to purify and cleanse them so they could be used to recreate the orginal legions. colors red white and gold Do you mean penitent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 I like that colour combo. post some pics havent gotten round to repainting my old models yet, but as soon as i do, ill get some up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 the Angels Pentenance, they have some strange beliefs. they believe that the traitor legions dont deserve to be hated, but to be shown pity for having fallen from the emperor, they also believe that the emperor cant be brought back until every traitor has been killed so that they may repent and be forgiven. they they take the corrupted geneseed, and store them looking for a way to purify and cleanse them so they could be used to recreate the orginal legions. colors red white and gold Do you mean penitent? no, i know i misspelled it, but penitent is like a prisoner(like penitentiary)...pentenance is like doing something to repent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flintlocklaser Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Do you mean penitent? no, i know i misspelled it, but penitent is like a prisoner(like penitentiary)...pentenance is like doing something to repent Actually 'penitent' means feeling remorse or sorrow for one's past sins or wrongdoings.* The state of mind of a penitent person is 'penitence, which is the one I think you are going for here. And finally, an act taken to repent or atone is a 'penance.' Any of these could work for a chapter name! *this is indeed the root of our word 'penitentiary,' which is left from an earlier notion in criminology and penology that a prison should be a place for criminals to meditate on their wicked ways - this idea is the source of other terms for prisons such as 'reformatory' or 'house of correction.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor1313 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 That's an interesting BA successor. It feels like it borrows from the Dark Angels beliefs about the fallen, but more generalized. I think it's in keeping with the Blood Angel's utimately-hopeful theme; someone runs around here with a sig about jpw the Blood Angels taking a mud-covered savage and turning it into a Space Marine is a sign of man's hope and redemptive qualities. The part where you have to kill the fallen and harvest their geneseed, though...that's something they should keep under wraps, if you keep it at all. As far as I know, there's genestock from the original traitor legions sitting in vaults in Terra under lock and key. I'm pretty sure they don't ever intend to use it. I'd figure that your Angels of (enforced) Penitence (for others) might do well to settle for collecting all the tainted geneseed (out of the traitors they killed) and doing some ritual of purification for it. Remaking the legions is a hell of a pipe dream, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 That's an interesting BA successor. It feels like it borrows from the Dark Angels beliefs about the fallen, but more generalized. I think it's in keeping with the Blood Angel's utimately-hopeful theme; someone runs around here with a sig about jpw the Blood Angels taking a mud-covered savage and turning it into a Space Marine is a sign of man's hope and redemptive qualities. The part where you have to kill the fallen and harvest their geneseed, though...that's something they should keep under wraps, if you keep it at all. As far as I know, there's genestock from the original traitor legions sitting in vaults in Terra under lock and key. I'm pretty sure they don't ever intend to use it. I'd figure that your Angels of (enforced) Penitence (for others) might do well to settle for collecting all the tainted geneseed (out of the traitors they killed) and doing some ritual of purification for it. Remaking the legions is a hell of a pipe dream, though. idk where the idea came from, i was sitting in bed tired and the amazing idea hit me B) the chapter is keeping it a secret, they know that the inquistion wouldnt understand... which brings up another question, how many chapters still deny the emperor's divinity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 i made an edit, with a campaign idea, feed back on it please :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 I think it's in keeping with the Blood Angel's utimately-hopeful theme; someone runs around here with a sig about jpw the Blood Angels taking a mud-covered savage and turning it into a Space Marine is a sign of man's hope and redemptive qualities. I dont think I've ever seen a Sig quite like that but its a good part of theme indeed. Post Scriptum (Edit): ....Im pretty stupid some times. I just looked at my sig....I'm guessing you're referring to: ' "There is a mystical streak to many of the Blood Angels' doctrines and also a strong belief that things can be changed for the better. After all, the process of transforming a scavenger into a tall, proud and handsome warrior is living proof of this tenet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 They sound like heretics (don't take that the wrong way B) ) but if they want to kill every traitor Marine that is a plus for the Imperium. - 0b :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 27, 2008 Author Share Posted February 27, 2008 what is heretical about it? would u dispise a family member just because they ended up addicted to drugs, or was an alchoholic (i know there are some ppl that would) or would u try to help them some how? thats how my chapter sees the traitor marines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 what is heretical about it? would u dispise a family member just because they ended up addicted to drugs, or was an alchoholic (i know there are some ppl that would) or would u try to help them some how? thats how my chapter sees the traitor marines I think its cause its such a wierd different Idea. Im not really that opposed to it but at the same time Im not a huge fan and I most definitely dislike the idea of getting in on the DA secret...I mean most of their Succesor chapters dont even know! What about changing it alittle to being more like they are on a crusade to reclaim the gear/geneseed for the Adeptus Mechanus or something to Test/purify so that marines will continue to be pure in the future? Maybe an Inquistor or AM representative is twisting them to his own will by claiming to have a Black Rage cure? (Though in fact they are just replacing the marines or something?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 27, 2008 Author Share Posted February 27, 2008 what is heretical about it? would u dispise a family member just because they ended up addicted to drugs, or was an alchoholic (i know there are some ppl that would) or would u try to help them some how? thats how my chapter sees the traitor marines I think its cause its such a wierd different Idea. Im not really that opposed to it but at the same time Im not a huge fan and I most definitely dislike the idea of getting in on the DA secret...I mean most of their Succesor chapters dont even know! What about changing it alittle to being more like they are on a crusade to reclaim the gear/geneseed for the Adeptus Mechanus or something to Test/purify so that marines will continue to be pure in the future? Maybe an Inquistor or AM representative is twisting them to his own will by claiming to have a Black Rage cure? (Though in fact they are just replacing the marines or something?) it was just a sudden idea, but heres the reason for the DA for letting them in on the little secret, they see some merit in the AP's idea, and dont want to be the reason that their plans run a foul. they end up thinking of it like 'hey if it works and the emperor wakes up and is cured that would be amazing, if not...the fallen are dead any way.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 it was just a sudden idea, but heres the reason for the DA for letting them in on the little secret, they see some merit in the AP's idea, and dont want to be the reason that their plans run a foul. they end up thinking of it like 'hey if it works and the emperor wakes up and is cured that would be amazing, if not...the fallen are dead any way.' I can see where you're coming from but I still dont see them doing it...I mean I picture DA kinda like a paranoid schizo only worse. Super worried and paranoid to make sure no one ever finds out and intent on destroying any evidence. Even when near by forces have similar goals or such do they even mention it. I mean if they were thinking like that they would have had a little heart to heart discussion with the Ordo Hereticus and gotten them in for some help long ago :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 27, 2008 Author Share Posted February 27, 2008 it was just a sudden idea, but heres the reason for the DA for letting them in on the little secret, they see some merit in the AP's idea, and dont want to be the reason that their plans run a foul. they end up thinking of it like 'hey if it works and the emperor wakes up and is cured that would be amazing, if not...the fallen are dead any way.' I can see where you're coming from but I still dont see them doing it...I mean I picture DA kinda like a paranoid schizo only worse. Super worried and paranoid to make sure no one ever finds out and intent on destroying any evidence. Even when near by forces have similar goals or such do they even mention it. I mean if they were thinking like that they would have had a little heart to heart discussion with the Ordo Hereticus and gotten them in for some help long ago :lol: i know what ur saying, but after 10millenia of searching, they might have just got tired of doing it alone (not likely, but hey...their still sorta human...sorta) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor1313 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 The Dark Angels have a different idea. They do want to find the traitors and kill them. However... The Dark Angels want to find their OWN traitors. Their whole 'Hunt the Fallen' theme is hunting their OWN fallen. It'll probably remain in this exploration of their history, but at some point there was a schism in the Dark Angels; the ones that we know today as loyal to the emperor didn't take too kindly to the whole schism deal, so...they're settling the matter. Personally. They hunt down their Fallen, torture them to repentance, kill them, and mark a name off the list. If I read Lensoven right, it's that his Angels of (helpful) Penance are out to get the traitors in general, and help them see the light. (Perhaps by ventilating their armor with bolters.) From the outside, since they doubtfully talk about it to others, I'd bet you'd have to watch them ransacking the corpses of the fallen chaos marines for their geneseed. They could explain it as, say, checking to make sure they're really dead. I'd probably mark inquisitorial allies off. Further, I think I'd mark off trying to redeem the four chief chaos legions (1,000 Sons, Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Death Guard) since it's pretty obvious they're apostate. The others that aren't so devout? I think there's room to turn them. Most of Chaos are motivated by self-interest; they don't worship the chaos gods so much as ask them for favors every now and then, and it's more like they're out for their own good and incidentally serving Chaos. Or at least, thre's room to take that angle, I feel. I think the idea's workable; just needs a little more direction and definition to that whole 'forgiveness/redemption thing.' @BobMackenzie: Heck, I don't know what my own sig says half the time. They don't much show it to you when you're in the act of posting, and most people would just skip over theirs. Still, wonderfully ironic you were up a couple posts after me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted July 18, 2009 Author Share Posted July 18, 2009 it was just a sudden idea, but heres the reason for the DA for letting them in on the little secret, they see some merit in the AP's idea, and dont want to be the reason that their plans run a foul. they end up thinking of it like 'hey if it works and the emperor wakes up and is cured that would be amazing, if not...the fallen are dead any way.' I can see where you're coming from but I still dont see them doing it...I mean I picture DA kinda like a paranoid schizo only worse. Super worried and paranoid to make sure no one ever finds out and intent on destroying any evidence. Even when near by forces have similar goals or such do they even mention it. I mean if they were thinking like that they would have had a little heart to heart discussion with the Ordo Hereticus and gotten them in for some help long ago :D how about the DA just claim to have been hunting this unknown legion for a while, and their honor is at stake should they not stop them....is that a good comprimise? And i just added a new twist to the fanfic. The AP have a high ranking priest stuck behind enemy lines, and will not quit the battlefield until he is found, dead or alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 how about the DA just claim to have been hunting this unknown legion for a while, and their honor is at stake should they not stop them....is that a good comprimise? And i just added a new twist to the fanfic. The AP have a high ranking priest stuck behind enemy lines, and will not quit the battlefield until he is found, dead or alive. Works alot better for me. Its got elements of betrayl and secrets. I'd give it the thumbs up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted July 18, 2009 Author Share Posted July 18, 2009 alright, glad to have got that ironed out. again, the fanfic in cominsicar (or what ever) has been updated, check it out, and sorry for taking so long on getting more up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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