kil78 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 it is also possible that he might have been related to he emperor, if you belive the old sensi fluff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1529399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Of Ultramar Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 To be fair, there is a difference between stupidity and insanity....I like to think that Angron epitomises the latter ^_^ na thats Night Haunter heh :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1531438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 it is also possible that he might have been related to he emperor, if you belive the old sensi fluff He was indeed a distant relative of the EMP hence his psykic (sp) powers.. this is from the collected visions artbooks. However he was nowhere near a primarch. The custodes or anybody else for that matter were no made using his genetic make up. Yes he gathered the people for the emp that would perhaps form the Inquisition. As for Angron, no he was not a mindless beserker. It does not say that he was. His tactic for charging headlessy into the enemy was still a tactic that won him battles. He was not stupid. his plans worked. Ok alot of his guys died but hell its a war Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1531516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiss Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Could I have a page number for that beef? It mentions that there were rumours, as far as I remember, but does not state this as fact... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1531903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Temujiin Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 If you can get a hold of the limited edition 2-story novella from GDUK (I think it was called Lightning Tower or some such), the story that shows Dorn preparing the palace for the seige gives more detail about Malcador. A decent bit of background on him is given, including showing his chambers where he has "ancient" Mk.1 Thunder Armour from the Unification Wars and such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1532009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Could I have a page number for that beef? It mentions that there were rumours, as far as I remember, but does not state this as fact... Which part do you want the page no for?? the angron bit or the malcador being a distant relative bit?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1532795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiss Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 the malcador bit. I have no interest in a lobotomised bezerker primarch... :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1532852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 ok in the third art book on the page with the titlke "malcador despair II" . . .it say " . . although he shared a mysterious psychic bond with his master that no other coulkd rival or understan he was still denied access to the master of mankind." From the first book page 11. "blessed with unnaturally long life there are many rumours around him. soem say he is a powerful pysker, the first to have undergone the soul binding ritual. other Rumours say that he is distantly related to the EMP" Hope that helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1534197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiss Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 So those two quotes give you the right to say emphatically, with no shadow of a doubt, that Malcador is a distant relative of the Emperor? The very quotes you base that on not only say that what you stated as fact is only rumour, but also lean towards the other explanation: that he is soul-bound to the Emperor (a rather more likely story). I remembered those quotes, I just thought you had something rather more substantial than that, that I had missed... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1534681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utsujin Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I don't know where i read it :) but still were gettin a bit off topic. In one answer Malcodor was not a Primarch but was a extremely powerful psyker who was the closest human to get any where near the power of a primarch. Also read in false gods that angron favourite tactic was to charge mindlessly at the enemy. World eaters only go insane in combat. Kind of like how the space wolves fight, CHARGE. Not saying it's a bad thing, but the World Eaters are your traitor counterparts. IIRC, in one of the Horus Heresy novels, doesn't Malcador wear the armor of an Adeptus Custodes? He IS the regent of Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1534788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle captain corpus Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Also read in false gods that angron favourite tactic was to charge mindlessly at the enemy. World eaters only go insane in combat. No, your overlooking the facts. the World Eaters BEFORE Khorne took hold, had the policy of just going further any other legion. They did this because sometimes the situation called for extreme violence, but CONTROLLED. It is when Khorne took hold they became psychopaths/sociopaths. They were a grim and violent Legion, but were'nt they all during the crusades? Anyway, back on topic, its very interesting reading some of the fluff that gestures in the direction that Malcador was fighting with the big E before the crusades and that he maybe a distant relative.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1534795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiss Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 IIRC, in one of the Horus Heresy novels, doesn't Malcador wear the armor of an Adeptus Custodes? He IS the regent of Terra. We haven't encountered him in any of the main novels so far, though in one of the short stories sold at Games Day, abnett describes his room and there is a complete suit of MkI Thunder Armor in there. Whether it is an ornament or he actually used it is unspecified... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1534882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 So those two quotes give you the right to say emphatically, with no shadow of a doubt, that Malcador is a distant relative of the Emperor? The very quotes you base that on not only say that what you stated as fact is only rumour, but also lean towards the other explanation: that he is soul-bound to the Emperor (a rather more likely story). I remembered those quotes, I just thought you had something rather more substantial than that, that I had missed... Man i was slighlty off as I read the books ages ago. Atleast I got back to you. Hell I am still waiting for somebody to show me where it says Russ beet Horus in training> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1534923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiss Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 oh right, it's just you didn't mention anything with your quote so assumed you were sticking to your guns... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1534928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I still think he was the Emps Love Child but thats my take on it :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1535227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utsujin Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I'm pretty sure I read about Malcador somewhere, I think it was flight of the eisenstein where he meets with Garro and Qruze. It says he wears golden armor and blah blah blah, at first, I thought it was the Emperor himself, then it said, Malcador, the Sigillite, Regent of Terra. I'm not sure if it was flight of the eisenstein tho. I know I read that though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1535250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiss Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 ??? I always thought he wore robes and a staff... memory may be faulty though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1535499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corax0420 Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 it was a Adeptus Custodes who turn up in Flight of the Eisenstein beside malcador and it was the Custodes that hade the armour, if i remeber right, but my memory is a bitt bad :mellow: :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1535523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 ??? I always thought he wore robes and a staff... memory may be faulty though... thats how he is pictured in the art books Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1536297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
local Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Yeah Malcador was in robes and held a staff and the custodes were to his sides in there golden armour, just checked the book and yeah it was the flight of the eisenstein. +++local+++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1538272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utsujin Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Ok, so I was right to some extent. I just remembered the dude wearing his bling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1541020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdr. King Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Malcador was clearly a powerful psyker whether this and his long life were through being related to the Emperor somehow or whether he had some sort of gene enhancement is so far unclear, but im not surprised he had a suit of Thunder armour stowed away after all its not uncommon for a battlefields leaders advisors to wear protection in the field even if they played no role in the combat itself. As for the subject of the thread: No, i would seriously doubt that Malcador was a Primarch since he was with the Emperor far before the Primarch experiment took place Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1569238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiss Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 I would think psychic enhancement unlikely, myself. Legion has shown us that high-order psykers seem to occur naturally. At least, Grammaticus makes no mention of any kind of special upbringing... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1569248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdr. King Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 True, John Grammaticus was a high function psyker of no small talent but he was repeadtedly outclassed even by Shere. I would imagine that Psyker powers couldnt be created artificially by gene enhancement but could potentially be boosted by it and if Malcador underwent the Soul Binding as well then its viable that it would push his powers far higher than that of any human other than the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1569292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weiss Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Hmm, just gotta love speculation... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131194-was-malcador-a-primarch/page/2/#findComment-1569298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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