Was Malcador a Primarch?

[Cdr. King]

Apparantly i do :) ..... but in my defence if they will insist on leaving gaps people will try to find ways to fill them.

[Weiss]

No worries man! So do I :)

[Senseilord Ashahara]

"Maybe, but wheres the fluff about a psychic duel on the walls i've never heard that "

 

There's a little bit mentioned in one of the very old White Dwarfs ( when I were lad an' The Dwarf used ta 'ave all this fluff in it as well as tha shiny, new kit) that the faced each other down on the walls of the Palace on Earth. The battle around then stood still; Sanguinous and Angron stared at each other wordlessly. After a while they turned on their heels and walked back to their lines and the battle resumed with renewed fury.

The piece ends with ones of those "None can say what acurred between those giants of Humanity..." bits but I think it's fair to suggest there was some telapathic 'full and frank exchange of ideas' between The Beast and The Angel.

[Tranc]

Hmm, just gotta love speculation... :P

 

I'll give you speculation... I always had the suspicion that Malcador created the Emperor! That's my explanation for how such a paragon as the Emperor came into existence, he was engineered, just as he in turn engineered the primarchs. Malcador had the mind and vision to create a united Terra but not the physical prowess nor charisma to see it realized, so he created a being who could do it :P

[Brother Styphus]

Hmm, just gotta love speculation... :(

 

I'll give you speculation... I always had the suspicion that Malcador created the Emperor! That's my explanation for how such a paragon as the Emperor came into existence, he was engineered, just as he in turn engineered the primarchs. Malcador had the mind and vision to create a united Terra but not the physical prowess nor charisma to see it realized, so he created a being who could do it ;)

 

Your speculation is 2 years late, and there are tons of cannon and removed fluff where the Emperor existed throughout most of human history. You should take your theory and make your OWN thread. I'm sure if you expanded on it and added reasoning I'm sure it would make for a great debate.

 

 

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I know calling someone out on necroposting is just as bad as the person who committed it, but please people realize that the original question by the OP has been answered, and there isn't anything new to add to it.

[Pigeons]

True, John Grammaticus was a high function psyker of no small talent but he was repeadtedly outclassed even by Shere. I would imagine that Psyker powers couldnt be created artificially by gene enhancement but could potentially be boosted by it and if Malcador underwent the Soul Binding as well then its viable that it would push his powers far higher than that of any human other than the Emperor.

 

 

 

this...isn't true at all. o.O

 

 

 

there are different types of psychic powers. grammaticus' specialty was being able to speak any language, and being able to read people well. which is why he was such a good spy.

 

 

shere just had raw power, the ability to bludgeon minds into submissions by projecting shooting pain into them. it doesn't make him more powerful than grammaticus in any way, just gives him a different set of powers. he was nothing compared to john. which is why john survived and he didn't haha

[Walter Payton]

I imagine that Malcador would have a chance at defeating some of the less psychically aware primarchs, like Dorn or Vulkan. He would, I imagine, have to be able to either halt them or neutralise them before they could close to close combat, where they would destroy him.

 

Him fighting lesser mortals puts me in mind of this:

 

[Necoho]

"Maybe, but wheres the fluff about a psychic duel on the walls i've never heard that "

 

There's a little bit mentioned in one of the very old White Dwarfs ( when I were lad an' The Dwarf used ta 'ave all this fluff in it as well as tha shiny, new kit) that the faced each other down on the walls of the Palace on Earth. The battle around then stood still; Sanguinous and Angron stared at each other wordlessly. After a while they turned on their heels and walked back to their lines and the battle resumed with renewed fury.

The piece ends with ones of those "None can say what acurred between those giants of Humanity..." bits but I think it's fair to suggest there was some telapathic 'full and frank exchange of ideas' between The Beast and The Angel.

Yup: I want to say edition 161 for some reason, but that's probably wrong. It's the one that had a mini-game where the Emperor teleported onto Horus' battle barge and hunted him down: all the people involved being represented by tokens. It was really, really, great.

 

IIRC, the above is pretty precisely what happens, but I think Sanguinus is staring imperiously down from the wall and Angron's looking up. And after the stare-out Angron turns to his troops and says something like 'there will be no parley, let no stone remain standing' or similar. The implication of a psychic stare-out is pretty clear. It was a great piece of fluff.