Commissar Molotov Posted March 26, 2008 Author Share Posted March 26, 2008 I'm actually planning to delete it. It's not really that needed, I think, especially what with Darrell and Barret (and you, of course) having joined the evil empire. ;) The forum itself is still there, just all the content is no longer accessable. Edit: Apart from THIS Chapter Standard bit. Ah, well if it's still there, I haven't deleted it, have I? :lol: Back onto the matter at hand: With regards to Purity, I had considered a Chapter based around the Eye of Terror. They'd need faith to stand resolute before that gaping rent in the fabric of reality and remain steadfast. Just like the Redemptors needed faith to continue at the edge of known space. I liked the idea of a Chapter having to balance the conflicting demands of being Vocates AND Praeses. Praeses would entail guarding the Eye of Terror, to the near-exclusion of all else, whilst the Vocates would include aiding their Oathbrethren, and seconding Marines to the Honour Company (in order to hunt down the Reapers). It could be interesting to see a Chapter having to balance and manage various duties and oaths without over-committing itself. I had imagined using the shield as a big thing for them. Their faith is a shield, a guard against the depredations of Chaos. And the Chapter is a shield itself, defending the Imperium. Just some initial concepts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1528364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Good ideas Mol. I like the thought of a Chapter having the burden of many duties at once. Protectors of the Eye, yet members of the Vocates and Oathbrethren. The only thing that confused me was the fact that they are part of the Vocates, the 14th founding, when the Praeses is another founding much later on. How are they part of two foundings? I do like the direction your taking them so far, so please bear with my stupidity and explain. I like the connotation of the shield realating to the matter, it is very fitting. Now post some more, when you got it written up (or thought out, whichever comes first ;) ). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1528370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 The Praeses Chapters aren't from any specific founding. Rather, they're a group of twenty Chapters assigned to protect the Eye. The earliest we know of are the White Consuls, from the second founding. The Relictors are supposed to be twentieth founding, and they're Praeses, too. And yet Chapters like the Iron Hands, on the doorstep of the EOT, aren't considered Vocates. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1528376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 The Praeses Chapters aren't from any specific founding. Rather, they're a group of twenty Chapters assigned to protect the Eye. The earliest we know of are the White Consuls, from the second founding. The Relictors are supposed to be twentieth founding, and they're Praeses, too. And yet Chapters like the Iron Hands, on the doorstep of the EOT, aren't considered Vocates. I must have completely read the small tid-bit in the 'Eye of Terror' Codex, wrong. Thanks for clearing that up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1528377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 Of course, by 'aren't considered Vocates', I meant 'aren't considered Praeses'. This just in, from chatting with Barret: MARINES ASCENDANT-Mirror-Cult: The Chapter is a rigid "theocracy" dedicated to the belief that all men can and do reflect the Emperor, in the way that a planet reflects the sun and thus appears to have its own light. They believe the spirit or soul must be purified and cleansed (and kept thus) in order to properly reflect the Emperor's light. This is achieved through a subsuming of individuality into the Mirror Cult. Recruits are subjecting to horrific rites and rituals designed to erase their personality, and thusly cleanse their souls. As they age and grow in the Mirror Cult, they slowly regain their personality (or more accurately, develop a new, or "true" one). This is how each man/Marine reflects the Emperor's light in their own way. Captains are the paragons of this transformation, being both individuals and avatars of the Cult. Chaplains act as the shepherds on the path of the Mirror Cult, encouraging those who show promise and culling those who don't. Librarians, as psykers and thusly more akin to the Emperor immediately and yet untrustable, are fell, alien Others who have attained a state that is inhuman. They wear the Mirror-Helm to symbolize this. Techmarines, who already mirror the Omnissiah in spirit (Rite of Pure Thought, etc) seek to mirror Him in flesh.Mirrors are a huge part of their iconography. They have a technique that imbues a mirror with psychic energy, such that any who look into it are forced to view a reflection of their souls, which can be anything from discomfiting to mind-breaking. The Mirror-Helms worn by Librarians are the most common of these, though the most notable example is a massive fresco in their Fortress Monastery (probably a space station) that depicts an imaginary scene of the Emperor and all eighteen Primarchs just before the Heresy in which the Emperor's face has been replaced by one of these mirrors. Any visiting the Chapter must thus be tested. We're using "Marines Ascendant" as the Spirit-Chapter name. Seems to fit pretty well. I'm going to be doing a progress report pretty soon to see how we're going. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1528395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddic Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Commisar Mol, can I say your just a breath of fresh air into my hobby. I was considering quiting the hobby altogether until I started following the castigators, now I (even though I am a xenos at heart) have been given the impetus to push my marine army forward (as any WH40K player should have almost a complete space marine army). My army will most likely be an antagonist,but I feel they (space marines/stormtroopers) are the backbone of this hobby... I loved the space marines from the get go and as I progressed to other armies I still feel a soft fuzz feeling for my battle brothers. so you have definitely kept my little fire burning. on that note I wish the Astartes Vocates could include my new DIY "reiksguard" ... that is until I find an original name that I am searching for for my DIY chapter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1528477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Thanks for the comment on him Nine, the suggested color scheme you posted, looks awesome. :lol: It's just I can totally picture a battlefield with orange/grey armored figures running head on into waves of the dreaded Tyranid foe. I really like the idea of the Alpha Wolves competitive nature. They still strive to be the best, even once becoming a Space Marine. I'm assuming some of their ranks, would include criminals, and killers, and the like. This bit, would really push the feeling of a Caste system even more so, than already. Especially if an old felon rose to the rank of Captain, stirring more conflict than the norm, in the chapter. As for battling against the Orks, I think it would fit quite well. Both living in different, yet dishevelled societies. Just some simple thoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1529158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted March 29, 2008 Author Share Posted March 29, 2008 I picked up the fortress world because such a place has the most obvious reason to have a ruling warrior caste. And a ruling warrior caste would no doubt appeal to a chapter such as the Alpha Wolves. However, having it as just a recruiting world would be preferable and avoid many problems. The last thing I want to do is have to focus on why the Administratum isn't giving the Alpha Wolves a hard time. The idea of the chapter living on a over-hunted, near-dead world is interesting. I say "near-dead" because there would surely be some organisms left that aren't worth hunting. Matter of fact, what if the Alpha Wolves turned their homeworld into a (to use an AVP term) "Hunters Planet". They might take the apex predators from across the system and worlds they operate on back to their home world just so those predators can be hunted for sport. Of course that is an unnecessary addition and may even distract to much from the chapter itself, but cool nonetheless. This seems wrong to me. The most obvious world that'd have warriors ruling would be either a tribal of feudal world. Fortress Worlds are effective giant planets of Imperial Guardsmen. Whilst that's a military society, it's perhaps not a militaristic one. It strikes me that the Imperial Guard are designed to follow orders unquestioningly. When it comes to a Fortress World, I see a dour population used to hardship - sacrificing today's rations so that the manufactora can produce things vital to the war effort. They do everything they need to do for their world, and they do it because they're told to. But that's a sort of 'greater good' mentality that doesn't seem to work with the Alpha Wolves. They seem to be far more competitive. Something that wouldn't manifest on a fortress world. They wouldn't be fighting eachother - rather, they'd be fighting whatever force is about to invade their world. And that list was pretty much off the top of my head; I still like the idea of the Alpha Wolves fighting in the thick of a Tyranid invasion. But if so many other Vocates are doing the same thing, I guess Orks would be fun too. Depends. It strikes me that the Alpha Wolves would be going after whatever threat is greatest to them. The greatest Challenge, etc. I think Sigismund was complaining because the Sublimators seem somewhat focused on the Tyranids in recent times. The Thousand Swords are also Tyranid-centric recently, what with their homeworld lying dangerously close to Inquisitor Kryptmann's cordon. I also understand that the Warlords are anti-Tyranid-ish. But then there's plenty of other Chapters that aren't. The Angels of Perdition, the Judicators, the Execrators, the Castigators... so I don't especially see it as a problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1530689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 I was just pointing it out. I'm considering dropping the Tyranids with the Sublimators and going with some Orks. I'll probably end up keeping the Tyranids but in a lesser role than which I initially envisaged them as. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1530840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted March 30, 2008 Author Share Posted March 30, 2008 You raise the interesting point that it would be good to work out what all our Chapters are doing in the present day. I see the Castigators being primarily focused on heretics and the like. The Fourth Company (under Captain Timon) is the widest-ranged, having fought the Tau in one campaign, whilst Captain Sirius of the Third has led a number of Campaigns against the Tyranids. To me that fits with the Castigators' focus on purity. If needs be, they'll gladly fight aliens, but they tend to find themselves preoccupied against heretics and traitors. Still, at least we have the Zodiac semi-finished, now: http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Zodiacmockup.jpg I wrote this list earlier: - The First Swearing- The Fall of the Reapers - The post-fall purge. - The Second Swearing - The Honour Company/The Alpha Wolves breaking away. - Maltheus and the Zodiac - Relationships between the AV Chapters - AV Campaigns (Zarath Strand, Symien, the Tau Campaign) We've detailed more of the Reapers' fall - though we haven't discussed the consequence - the Vocates attacking their homeworlds, the Thousand Swords getting caught up in the battle for Thermo-Pylon E, etc. We'd also need to discuss the second swearing and the formation of the Honour Company. Anyway, just putting that up there so we can discuss things further. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1531028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 I was reading through, and I though that "Purity of Clarity" could be a good one for the Reapers. This could be interesting, as it contrasts with how the Apothecaries lost sight of the ends in pursuit of the means, and how the Reapers had their moral vision obscured. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1531190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted March 30, 2008 Author Share Posted March 30, 2008 We're looking at Purity of Purpose, because it ties in with the Flesh-Smiths post fall - their single-minded obsession with their experiments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1531211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox 01 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 You raise the interesting point that it would be good to work out what all our Chapters are doing in the present day. Well, this is the last thing I have the Black Watch doing: 999.M41 – Abbadon’s 13th Black Crusade: The Black Watch dispatch an expeditionary force to the Scarus Sector in order to help the Reapers. The Black Watch joins Task Force Hebenus Exitus led by Chaplain-Captain Versalius of the Reapers. Captain VanGordon of the Black Watch takes a seat on the Task Force’s council. The chapter takes up a defensive position on the forge world of Nysa Stromolo throughout the campaign, fighting tirelessly against Orks and Chaos Space Marines alike. Present - Captain VanGordon leads a detachment of Black Watch to the Abraxis sector. Of course, the whole Abraxis thing passed me by due to RL issues, so I'm thinking of dropping it entirely. As a whole, the Black Watch is focused on fighting Orks (and to a lesser extent, other alien races due to their close ties with the Ordo Xenos). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1531907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Ok, just doing some random thoughts on Maltheus' work. I've tried to incorporate the various bits and pieces we had on him. Feel free to rip it apart <_< Inquisitor Maltheus first came into contact with the Judicators sometime in the middle of M37. His witnessing of the Trial of Ordeal of an Imperial Governor whose PDF had turned against him piqued the Inquisitor's interest. The belief of the marines in judgement and the absoloute certainty that they were entitled to do this worried him. He carried out further research into their beliefs and history, attempting to find how their beliefs had come about. At this time, Maltheus was a member of the Ordo Hereticus. He had been fairly successful in his work, having completely eradicated the insidious Cult of the Golden Wyvern in the Dardinian Sector and penetrated the mysteries of the murder of Arch Deacon Dorian. During his delvings into the Judicators chapter, the Inquisitor was reassured immensely by the chapter's conduct. In particular, the Trial of the Warlords was the ultimate example of this chapter being justified in their choices and beliefs. Maltheus continued his research into this event, eventually uncovering the deeds of the Warlords. Interested why the crimes were not enough to warrant higher punishment, Maltheus continued to probe. Eventually he uncovered a relationship between the two chapters was found. Maltheus found the two chapters had still continued to meet after the event, something a little strange considering their previous transaction. He heard rumours of an ancient bond, an ancient promise. His investigations into this lead to the publication of his work, the Treatise Vocates. To be continued.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1537090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Knight Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Although I am not part of the Vocates and I know you are not looking for any more, I noticed that you you were working on a more monastic chapter. I started some ideas for such a chapter awhile back but never fluffed it out. Here it is if you want to take and run with it. Chapter Name: Crucifiers Founding: Not decided Colors: Red, Black and White Symbol: A black hand holding a white crucifix Geneseed: Ultramarines Doctrine: Fanatically codex. Beleifs: Completely loyal to Imerial doctrine and Dogma, submissive to the Major factions of the Imperium, and devience from the will of the High Lords is Heresy. Just and idea, if I am sticking my nose in where it is not wanted I apologize, your IA's in general have been great reads and keep up the fabulous story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1539979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted April 9, 2008 Author Share Posted April 9, 2008 Hey, IK, and thanks for the input. :yes: The biggest problem with your concept (from my view) is that the Crucifix has such huge, huge connotations. You can't use a symbol like that without being aware of those connotations - it's like having a Chapter emblazoned with swastika symbols, I feel. I mean, sure, ancient Roman torture/execution devices might still be in use in the 41st Millennium, but equally they might use other devices. To my mind, taking 'monastic' to its endpoint within 40k, such a Chapter might well deviate from Codex norms. The thought of a Chapter that keeps vows of silence, even sewing their own lips together - that's something deliciously dark and gothic. I can't remember mentioning monastic Chapters, though I'm sure I did - it was probably to do with the 'Purity of Faith' slot, which is now occupied by the (WIP) Shield Bearers. It's certainly possible we could potentially incorporate some of your ideas into them - perhaps you could post in further detail? :huh: 'Fanatically Codex' and 'Deviance from the High Lords is Death' isn't much for us to go on. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1539989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasoroth Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 So just a quick question for the unenlightened, what else is left to be done with the Vocates? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1540477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Well, a couple of people are still MIA and a few articles are needing completion ie. my own.... Plus we still need to detail the Reapers Fall a bit more, other campaigns and the relations between the Brethren. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1540518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasoroth Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Any MIAs I could fill in for? I'm done with my mock IGCSEs, and my Subjugator's are past the IA phase and into the "painting-50-marines in a month" phase :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1540547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Knight Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 MOL, see my IA rough draft on the Purifiers, these are many of the ideas I had for the crucifiers and took your advice to change the name, please feel free to use them or the Ideas, with all the projects I am working on I dont know how fluffed out they will get. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1541055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToyShip Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Its ALIVE!!! OR, Toyship rises again!!!! Hows everyone doing? I took a very long break from this, our beloved hobby, but i'm back, and ready for anything. Looks like there's a lot to catch up on, so excuse me as I read through this thread again to see where we are. I dont know if you guys want me to become master of the Execrators again, but I hope I can offer constructive advice/criticism! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1581282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted May 27, 2008 Author Share Posted May 27, 2008 Well, considering I'm the one that PM'd you, I'm very keen for you to work on the Execrators. But yes, as mentioned, the best thing for you to do would be to read through this thread. There's been a lot of work done on the Zodiac and the like since you were last around. I look forward to hearing more from you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1581293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Cambrius Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 So err, are you looking for more candidates or are you full? :P I look forward ot what will become of this and perhaps one day the website will return. :lol: Cambrius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1581296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted May 27, 2008 Author Share Posted May 27, 2008 So err, are you looking for more candidates or are you full? :P I look forward ot what will become of this and perhaps one day the website will return. :lol: Cambrius I figured you were busy with your twelve billion DIY Chapters? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1581298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Cambrius Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 So err, are you looking for more candidates or are you full? :P I look forward ot what will become of this and perhaps one day the website will return. :lol: Cambrius I figured you were busy with your twelve billion DIY Chapters? ;) I'm slain Mol, that was a deep cut in my pride. We will duel with an IA battle! ;) Ah well, I would be willing to work on one again if need be, heck I did have the idea for one a while ago that fitted into this. But still, 12 million articles? That would be a dream for me... Cambrius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/4/#findComment-1581302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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