TyrantKaiser Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Read a bit of this. Great ideas and stuff. I like it. I look forward to seeing it finished! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1591467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Raise. Raaaaaiiiiiiisssssseeeee. Can you smell the dust? My next modeling project is set to be the Vocates Honour Company. I plan to use the Black Reach set to accomplish this and start this project in December. So to accomplish this, I need some details set down. Who's around to help establish this, besides Molotov and Barret? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1747342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be26 Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Yes. What details are you after? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1747423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 Well, it really depends on how you're going to construct the Honour Company. I figure you're going to do one squad of each of the eleven Chapters, though in 'actuality' certain Chapters contribute heavily to the Honour Company, whilst others have entirely absented themselves (the Alpha Wolves, for example). Tell us a bit more and we can probably provide opinions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1747439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Well, it really depends on how you're going to construct the Honour Company. I figure you're going to do one squad of each of the eleven Chapters, though in 'actuality' certain Chapters contribute heavily to the Honour Company, whilst others have entirely absented themselves (the Alpha Wolves, for example). Well, I intend to establish it entirely to fluff. Which we have to make first :) So settling on which chapters still send marines and what kind of marines or equipment they send is what I intended. Then I can start the modeling. So it wouldn't necessarily be 11 squads from each chapter. Some chapters may choose to send a ship instead of marines, others (such as the Black Watch) may provide tanks instead of squads and a few may send specialists instead of a larger commitment of marines. Well I can certainly be around to help with things, but if it's a modeling project I don't know how much help I can possibly be. As above, I wanted to establish all the fluff behind the Honour Company before I started modeling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1748377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colrouphobic Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I was around before, and around now, I can do some visuals if the fluff is established or close to establishment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1748379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 What I can find from the older threads. I know there was more on the old website, I'll have a try at retrieving it later. the Reapers fragmented as the Apothecaries rose up. This leads to a civil war where the loyalist elements of the Chapter are wiped out. Before that, the First Company Captain broadcasts a message to the Oathbrethren and the Inquisition. .... The Oathbrethren prosecute a purge against the hive-worlds (rife with corruption and taint, especially to angry, biased Space Marines) which the Reapers recruited from. As part of this, the Thousand Swords accidentally encounter a large warband, and the entire First Company is wiped out at Thermo-Pylon E. The Second Swearing - the Oath is re-sworn and the Honour Company is formed. Almost immediately, the Alpha Wolves quit the Honour Company, dissatisfied (and sure they can do better on their own) The Honour Company looks set to disintegrate. Low on 'raw materials', the Harvesters storm the homeworld of the Execrators, butchering and/or capturing most of the defenders and seizing gene-stock. The world is corrupted to the point that the Execrators virus-bomb it (?) This perhaps draws the bonds in the Vocates closer. I was around before, and around now, I can do some visuals if the fluff is established or close to establishment. That would be awesome, Col. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1748510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barret Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Well... The Thousand Swords contribute heavily to the Honour Company. They have a particular beef with the Reapers (after all, who wouldn't hate giant robots from the cold void between galaxies, bent on an unceasing cycle of mass extinction?) and have always been a big part of the Honour Company. Most of the seconded Marines come from one of the Reserve Companies; the one that is trained to deploy as bikers en masse. The Sixth? The Marines Ascendant I'm not sure about. While they would probably be a part of the HC, I think it would be in smaller numbers. Probably never more than a squad at a time, if that. In more general terms, I don't think that the Honour Company would be structured like a Battle Company. Instead, it would be a much more fluid organization consisting of whatever Marines, equipment, etc, have been sent by the Vocates. While there would probably be a relative balance of the various types of squads and vehicles, it probably wouldn't be as fixed as a Codex formation. Did we ever talk about how the leader of the HC would be determined? Election? Trials by combat? The most senior officer present? Are there regimented "terms" for which Captains lead the HC? Shifts, that each of the participating Vocates take? How big, roughly, is the Honour Company? Battle-Company-sized? I know it would fluctuate, but a rough average might be a good bit of info. Is there any kind of unifying marking for the members of the Honour Company? Some kind of crusade or campaign badge? Do they repaint one of their shoulderpads? Something else? I know among the Thousand Swords, any Marine who has served in the Honour Company is permitted to repaint one greave white, with a winged prime helix in black for each term of service. How does the Honour Company get around? Do they have a Strike Cruiser or Battle Barge (and attendant escorts, I would assume) on semi-permanent secondment? Does the provider of the transport fleet fluctuate? Maybe they use captured Reaper vessels, taken during the initial purging. How does the Honour Company interact with the wider Imperium? I'm assuming they would have relatively close ties to the Inquisition, or at least some elements thereof, so that they can get any and all intel on the activities of the Reapers. Obviously, they don't spend all their time fighting the Reapers/Harvesters. Do they get involved in other conflicts as they roam around, like a "normal" crusade/fleet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1749364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 I'm a little conflicted with the Castigators. My feelings is that in later years they have contributed to the Honour Company, but that their contribution has been minimal - they couldn't not contribute, for honours' sake, but they've been busy. So their contribution would be minimal. (That also means you don't have to struggle with my Chapter symbol, Sig!) My thought is that (within the Honour Company) the Castigators get far more attention than they deserve. What with Baraquiel being such an instrumental character, the others tend to defer to the Castigators, or look to them to break a deadlock. I don't want that to mean that the Castigators always command - I don't think that would be the case at all - but the Castigators would be influential indeed. I would suggest a Veteran Squad from the Castigators - seems like a decent compromise. I agree with Barret that the Vocates Honour Company (abbreviated to VHC for convenience) would have a fluid structure, depending heavily on what the various Chapters contribute at any particular time. We likely have ten of the remaining eleven Chapters each contributing - that means at the minimum, we could expect ten squads - but certain Chapters would contribute heavily - the Sublimators, Execrators and Thousand Swords would do so, for example. So the VHC could end up numbering as much as 300 Marines at times. Part of me thinks that as 999.M41 draws near and the various Chapters of the Astartes begin to look inwards, to fortify against the coming storms, the VHC might shrink a little in size. I don't think that there would be 'shifts' - that seems a little too arbitrary to me. I'm a little undecided, so I'm willing to allow Sigismund to decide much of the specifics of the VHC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1749570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 The numbers issue- I have half a company of the Sublimators committed at all times. I may scale it back. AoP- one Librarian plus 1-2 squads Marines Ascendent- 5-10 marines Thousand Swords- heavy commitment Judicators- ? Black Watch- vehicle and techmarine support? Execrators- heavy commitment Warlords- perhaps provide fleet arrangements Castigators- 1-3 squads? Shield Bearers- ? Part of me thinks that as 999.M41 draws near and the various Chapters of the Astartes begin to look inwards, to fortify against the coming storms, the VHC might shrink a little in size. A nice idea. I think that I would plan to model the Vocates Honour Company in the decade of 990M41 to the current day of 40k. A lesser number of models that way :wub: The symbol of the honour company I planned was the Harvesters (or Reapers) symbol (I couldn't find a description of it) broken in two by a sword. Then possibly the other distinguishing mark would be a white helmet or white shoulder pads. I can't manage to get anything from the old Vocates site. Mol, would you be able to retrieve the details on the Honour Company from there? I remember we had a number of discussions we had on the Second Swearing (and First) of the oath. If we had something for Colruphobic to do, what would you guys like to see? Possibly the First or Second Swearing of the Oath is an idea that I had. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1750043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barret Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 If we had something for Colruphobic to do, what would you guys like to see? Possibly the First or Second Swearing of the Oath is an idea that I had. Either would be cool. The First Swearing would have all those mighty heroes of ages past, but the Second could be quite evocative, with the banner of the Reapers smoldering to ash in the background. Just to clarify a couple things. The Marines Ascendant would have one Veteran Squad on permanent attachment. The members of that squad would rotate, but that entry on the Chapter "org chart" would be always with the VHC. As for the T-Swords, recent events (Hive Fleet Behemoth, namely) have certainly diverted much of their attention and perhaps the strength they are capable of sending, but hate for the Reapers still burns hot for them. Several Tactical Squads, with Rhino support. Maybe an Assault and Devastator squad. A Techmarine, to care for their wargear and a Chaplain for their souls. Plus a Venerable Dreadnought, preferably one of the few who was there at the time of the Second Swearing. The T-Swords cadre would be commanded by a Captain or senior Sergeant. A small detachment (two or three) of the Throat Cutters, probably. That actually leads me to my next thought. Because of the VHC's nature as a multi-Chapter thing, it might not be quite as rigid a command structure as within a proper Company. I would suggest that the senior commanders of each Chapter would act almost as a council. One, probably the most senior/gifted/charismatic Captain would be in overall 'command' so that there's one definite leader, but there might be a level of discussion on tactics, deployment, "what do we do now" between all the officers. Furthermore, what if the VHC isn't actually one monolithic company? What I mean is, there's one Vocates Honour Company. But within that there could be multiple fighting forces. Maybe they have three Strike Cruisers, and each is filled with Marines from the various Chapters and act semi-independently and only come together for large engagements. That would be a convenient way for us not to have a half-Chapter size force rampaging around after their personal bugbear (which might upset various people) and allow for multiple people to have different VHC armies without them having to exist in alternate universes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1760307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostLegion Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I hate to interject with nothing interesting/of value to add....but is this Astartes Vocates project rolled up into a couple pages of good reading anywhere, or does it only exist as a running conversation. As it is, I would love to be able to sit back and just read the whole thing, but paging through the comments and revisions gets kind of painful... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1760344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barret Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I don't think so, no. You could dig up the old Vocates thread and see if there's a summary... Okay, here's the old thread, with a summary of the project's ideals at the beginning and a lot of discussion afterwards, but that's almost two years old (!). The basic nature of the Vocates has remained pretty unchanged, but a lot of the detail has evolved and changed over the years and still is, to some degree. A lot of our information was stored on the Vocates forum, but that's been gone for a while. If anyone has a summary, it's Herr Kommissar but he's a lazy git and hasn't written IA: Astartes Vocates, yet. --edit-- Check out the third post of this thread. Mmm, crow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1760493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 If anyone has a summary, it's Herr Kommissar but he's a lazy git and hasn't written IA: Astartes Vocates, yet. As opposed to people like Awol/Darrell/etc who've just upped and disappeared? ;) I'd consider writing IA:AV but it's not really been worthwhile - especially with Chapters like the Alpha Wolves and the Marines Ascendant not being fleshed out. I'll consider it, but I would have to make it relatively general so as not to trample over various people. If people want it, I'll do it. I hate to interject with nothing interesting/of value to add....but is this Astartes Vocates project rolled up into a couple pages of good reading anywhere, or does it only exist as a running conversation. As it is, I would love to be able to sit back and just read the whole thing, but paging through the comments and revisions gets kind of painful... I fear that's the nature of most online discussions - though as Barret mentions, I did provide a summary of sorts at the start of this incarnation of the thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1760623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barret Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 This is more than a bit of a non sequitur, but it's for the Marines Ascendant, and this seems as good a place as any to catalog it. The voice of rejoicing and salvation is in the tabernacle of the righteous The right hand of the Lord doeth valiantly The right hand of the Lord is exalted I shall not die, but live and declare the works of the Lord The Lord hath chastened me so, and he hath not given me over unto death Open to me the gates of righteousness, I will go into them I will go into them, and I will praise the Lord This is the gate of the Lord, into which the righteous shall enter I will praise thee, for thou has heard me and become my salvation The stone which the builders refused is become the headstone of the corner This is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes And a Space Marine-ized version: The light of salvation and death is in the soul of the righteous The right hand of the God-Emperor doeth valiantly The right hand of the God-Emperor is exalted I shall not die, but live and shine the light of the God-Emperor The God-Emperor has created me so, and hath not given me over unto Chaos Reveal to me the light of righteousness, I will go into it I will go into it, and shine it forth unto the dark places This is the light of the God-Emperor, into which the righteous shall enter I will praise the God-Emperor, for He hath seen me and become my salvation The light which the blind have refused is become my soul This is the God-Emperor's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes We are the right hand and mirror of the God-Emperor --Battle-Chant of the Marines Ascendant Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1767642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I'm not too well-versed in poetry, but this is good Barret. Now when will we see a rough outline on IA: Astartes Vocates, Mol? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1767841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barret Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Well, I think Mol has a good point in saying that IA:AV can't be completed without all the Oathbrethren being more complete. I know for my part I've barely scratched the surface of the Marines Ascendant, and the Thousand Swords are due for a full rewrite Real Soon Now . However... perhaps the initial work on IA:AV might be worthwhile? Anything requiring details of the missing Oathbrethren could always be left for later, and I think we have a good grasp of the timeline and key events now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1767966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasoroth Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 In a vain attempt at being included I'd like to volunteer for any job, be it virtual coffee maker or fleshing out a beliefs system. My credentials include being active and being semi-competent with fluff, both home grown and official. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1768131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted November 11, 2008 Author Share Posted November 11, 2008 Well, I think Mol has a good point in saying that IA:AV can't be completed without all the Oathbrethren being more complete. I know for my part I've barely scratched the surface of the Marines Ascendant, and the Thousand Swords are due for a full rewrite Real Soon Now . However... perhaps the initial work on IA:AV might be worthwhile? Anything requiring details of the missing Oathbrethren could always be left for later, and I think we have a good grasp of the timeline and key events now. I have done the initial work on IA:AV! It does drive me to distraction when people imprecate that I haven't done anything for the Vocates :rolleyes: - but right now, I think the other Oathbrethren need to work on their Chapters. The Marines Ascendant and the Alpha Wolves, especally, are lacking - and I'd be happier if they were further completed. I don't much fancy working on an article just to have to re-work it later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1768180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 So, where are we at the moment? http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Zodiacmockup.jpg The Alpha Wolves - The Purity of Strength (IA Thread HERE) The Angels of Perdition - the Purity of Mind (IA Thread HERE) The Black Watch - The Purity of Form (IA Thread HERE) The Castigators - The Purity of Flesh (IA Thread HERE) The Execrators - The Purity of Hate (IA Thread HERE) The Judicators - The Purity of Word (IA Thread HERE) The Marines Ascendant - The Purity of Spirit (IA Thread UNAVAILABLE) The Reapers (The Harvesters) - The Purity of Purpose (IA Thread HERE) The Shield Bearers - The Purity of Faith (IA Thread UNAVAILABLE) The Sublimators - The Purity of Deed (IA Thread HERE) The Thousand Swords- The Purity of Focus (IA Thread HERE) The Warlords - The Purity of Heart (IA Thread HERE) The Alpha Wolves, Execrators, Marines Ascendant and the Shield Bearers need perhaps the most work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1772514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasoroth Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 So just a few ideas on fleshing out the Shield Bearers: Shield Bearers: Purity of faith Religious belief in the Emperor Non-orthodox Religious belief is necessity, due to proximity to EoT. Deist is the term for them I believe Dual responsibilities of guardians of the EoT, and Vocates membership weighs heavy, but they don’t mind. (No wangst marines) Humane but aloof towards Imperial citizens Grey and red color scheme Grey shield, diagonally divided by a red stripe for emblem It's by no means comprehensive or complete, but its a basis at least! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1773892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted November 16, 2008 Author Share Posted November 16, 2008 It pretty much ties in with what I had intended. I had thought of incorporating symbolism from Atlas - he bore a great burden. Something I've tried to encourage within the Vocates from day one is an attempt to move away from obvious or generic DIY Chapters. For example, I would have to insist that this religious Chapter didn't have an obsession with 'cleansing flame' like 99.9% of other religious Chapters out there. (It's worth noting that Hasoroth and I talked on MSN about the Shield Bearers yesterday.) I had suggested earlier that the Shield Bearers be both Vocates and Praeses, and that they struggle to maintain their responsibilities to both. For example, they might not have a substantial commitment in the Vocates Honour Company. Alternately, they might have a decent commitment despite the difficulties. The idea was that faith is their shield, just as they shield the citizenry of the Imperium. I had thought they would be at the forefront of defending the Eye of Terror from the Black Crusades, and that they could perhaps incorporate some of the Nietzschian ideas of "staring into the abyss." They stand at the gates of hell, but they won't abandon hope. Not sure on the religious belief in the Emperor. It rather depends how it's done and how it's carried through the Chapter as a whole. Also, define 'aloof' in this context, Hasoroth? I think we tend to get a lot of 'aloof' Marines in the Liber, and so I'm curious as to how that 'aloofness' contributes to the themes inherent in the Chapter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1774200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasoroth Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 To clarify: I see the Shield Bearers as being hermits in a way. They believe in the Emperor, but not in the Ecclesiarchy. They guard the Eye of Terror and maintain their duties in the Vocates. Due to all those responsibilities I can see them being rather reclusive, maybe a bit archaic due to their solitude (please understand I haven't had any sleep for the last 24 hours, I'm slightly wonky). Aloof was probably the wrong word, it implies arrogance. I figured the Shield Bearers to have been set apart by the gravity of their duties, neither better nor worse for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1774258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Cambrius Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Erm, do you guys mind if I made a colour scheme called the Shield Bearers? I made it sometime back in June 2007: That ok with you all? :( You can use it if you wish. Cambrius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1775449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund Himself Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 [color=#000000; background-image:url(http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/hq2.gif); background-repeat: no-repeat; background-position: 8px 2px; padding: 12px 8px 12px 8px; border: 1px solid #DDD; margin-left: 0 auto; text-align: left; color: #fff; text-indent:50px; font-size:130%; width:50%;">Index Astartes: Vocates Honour Company [/color] "The warp spawned abominations shall taste of our blade wherever they may try to hide. We shall not rest while their hearts still beat. When we strike, we will strike with hatred in our mind and so strike with the strength of the Emperor. Strike for your brothers, strike for your Oathbrethren and strike once more for the Emperor. Strike for striking's sake. Leave none alive, lest their impurity harm others." -Chaplain X of the Execrators at the Purging of the Garl Empire. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/hq2.gif); background-repeat: no-repeat; background-position: 8px 2px; padding: 12px 8px 12px 8px; border: 1px solid #DDD; margin-left: 0 auto; text-align: left; color: #fff; text-indent:50px; font-size:130%; width:50%;">Organisation The Honour Company consists of detachments from ten of the Oathbrethren. The level of commitment from each chapter tends to vary. Some chapters send marines merely to honour their chapter's oath while others, such as the Sublimators and Thousand Swords, have maintained heavy contributions of marines and resources since the Honour Company's inception. Due to this variance, as chapters face other immediate threats and sustain losses, the Honour Company's number of marines vary exceptionally. At some times, the company has been known to number 350 marines. At other times, the number of marines from some chapters can be counted on one hand. As the end of the 41st Millennium draws nearer, more and more of the Oathbrethren look to their own defences. As such, the Honour Company's numbers are barely a Codex Company's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/131456-the-astartes-vocates/page/6/#findComment-1778261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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