BrotherHostower Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Abnett gives alot of good reason for why the AL operate the way they do, and the reasons theyv'e done what little background things we have for them. When they quit the Battle of Terra, they fled to the Maelstrom, and not the Eye like everyone else. It's always been a wonder as to why. In the (admittedly tiny) amount of background the AL get, they always always seem to be at odds with everyone (chaos almost more-so than the Imperium). It's not a stretch to think of it as different heads of the Hydra thinking of different ways to try to coax a new version of the Chaos Blowout like Alpharius and Omegon attempted and so you get alot of different (sometimes conflicting) actions. As to falling to chaos completely, I have serious doubts. Remember that Nightlords went corrupt not because of doctrinal issues or mission, but because Curze's 2nd batch of Marines were murders and criminals (Lord of Night did a fine job of showing that the first batch of Nightlords weren't killers murderers and thieves, they were misguided, it was the 2ND batch that rollercoastered them into corruption). As for what to use, I would (and still do) use the Chaos Codex for them. The SM codex is rigidly Guillman, something Alpharius and his legion was just against. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1542033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eetion Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 The Alpha Legion did not flee to the Maelstrom.... In fact they stayed in Imperial Space in their hidden bases. The Word Bearers fled to the maelstrom. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1542062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behdini Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 As to falling to chaos completely, I have serious doubts. <snip> As for what to use, I would (and still do) use the Chaos Codex for them. The SM codex is rigidly Guillman, something Alpharius and his legion was just against.The awkward thing about doing that is that you end up with inappropriate unit choices. Consider that on Vraks, the Alpha Legion just repainted their armour to appear as halaal Marines... and that Defilers, Chaos Dreads and the like are really inappropriate rules-wise and fluff-wise. On Vraks, the Alpha Legion had the statistics of Chaos Space Marines and were led by an Aspiring Champion in terms of games statistics, however. I consider the Alpha Legion to be potentially Chaos-utilising, but generally uncorrupted, much like Thorian-style Inquisitors who are willing to use Chaos without being tainted. There are clearly going to be exceptions, but those exceptions would undoubtedly either remain hidden within the unit or would lead to the corrupt joining up with a Chaos warband instead. They also think the Emperor is a corpse on the throne and don't value any kind of "false religion" such as that pushed by the Ecclesiarchy. So again, how would I field a Defiler? Too weird. Possessed Marines? Awkward, unlikely. Not really sure how to deal with this issue, or frankly with the issue of Traitor Marines (rather than Chaos Marines proper). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1542078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lay Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Consider that on Vraks, the Alpha Legion just repainted their armour to appear as halaal Marines... Look up the "We Are In Disguise" rule in IA 5. They kept their colors but used loyalist armour and pattern. On Vraks, the Alpha Legion had the statistics of Chaos Space Marines and were led by an Aspiring Champion in terms of games statistics, however.Not to mention their special character whose armour displayed heretical runes, spikey bits and wielded a dark blade, a gift from the gods for his deeds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1542383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 The Alpha Legion did not flee to the Maelstrom.... In fact they stayed in Imperial Space in their hidden bases.The Word Bearers fled to the maelstrom. Which makes even more since given the recent revelations. IMHO AL would not fall to chaos just because they are obsessed with being in control and having the initiative in all that they do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1542506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Not to mention their special character whose armour displayed heretical runes, spikey bits and wielded a dark blade, a gift from the gods for his deeds. pretty much like the relictors did for some time , and how [this time I mean just the weapons and armor] the 13th does for the last 10k years . On Vraks, the Alpha Legion had the statistics of Chaos Space Marines and were led by an Aspiring Champion in terms of games statistics, however as much I would love each legion sm/csm to have different stats [changing the game to d10 or d12 would help a lot with that] , I dont think it will happen soon , if ever . Also I find it quit funny that you US guys tell that IA rules are non official , but IA fluff is official [while at the same time you are very sceptic about the BL stuff] . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1543109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feor Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 IA fluff is official, IA rules have been superceeded by the newest codexes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1544399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 how is that if the new dex dont have most of the units /IC and rules , that can be found in IA books ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1545205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feor Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Because the IA rules were obseleted by the Last codex, then that codex was obseleted by the new codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1545228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 ok where in the last sm dex can I find the rules for land raider hellios ? or to stay more chaos the rules for dreadclaws or out bombers ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1545232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherHostower Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Jeske: Land Raider Helios was updated in IA2 which, I think was put out after the 4th ed SM codex. I'm not sure Dreadclaws got an update, if they did, they'd be in IA 5 or 6 most likely, i think those're `the ones with the chaos rules in'em. Eetion: Thanks for the correction, it's been so long since I've had my IA's out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1545260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 yes I know that .am Just wanted to say[sadly sarcams shows bad on the interentz] that there is no way for IA ruled models to get changed unless they get an official GW FAQ [like the siege mortats with hellfire shells , made the IG players cry , but thank god for that abomination of list gone] or included in a dex [like the drop pods]. the funy part for me and people playing here that in the US and UK , people view the IA rules and models as non official even , while they still use the models and the FW being a GW owned company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1545327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feor Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 I think of the Forgeworld rules as official, it even says right in the IA books that they're fully legal, and to be honest, they're usually worse than an equally pointed unit from a Codex. The problem with the IA rules is that they've been overruled. White Scars had IA rules, then the 4th edition Codex: SM came out and they got a new set of (considerably less impressive) rules. Alpha Legion had a set of IA rules, then Codex: Chaos 3.5 came out and had a whole new set of rules for them. IMHO, the newest version of the rules is going to be the most official. So if you wanted to play an Alpha Legion army, play by the 3.5 Rules. Or would you show up with a guard army with a Land Raider claiming "Well, I use this *pull out RT list* guard list, so this is legal."? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1545656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherLoki Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 THis thread's getting pretty confusing because of different people using IA to mean different things. Jeske's using IA to mean Imperial Armour. Feor's using IA to mean Index Astartes. It might be better to write what you mean out in full to avoid confusion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132957-alpha-legion/page/2/#findComment-1545948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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