Captain Engelhardt Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Hi all ! I know this might have been covered in other threads, but I didn't find any so I thought I would post it here. After reading 'The Dark King' again, I thought about including Konrad Curze as some kind of DP in my upcoming Night Lords army. But that wouldn't make any sense if he is dead already..not even a Primarch recovers from being killed :D So, I would greatly appreciate any piece of fluff you can find on this topic...since I don't know as good as nothing about it :) Thanks in advance, Capt. E. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfbiter Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 According to the 2nd edition Chaos codex, and the WD Index Astartes article on the Night Lords, Night Haunter was killed by a Callidus assassin (post-Heresy, I think). The IA article implies that he knew the assassin was coming but let her kill him anyway for reasons unknown, possibly having to do with the prophetic visions he suffered from. That said, it sounds like a cool concept for a model, so don't let that stop you if you want to build it. Your army could reflect the Night Lords post-Heresy, but before the assassination, for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1536526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Dead. howver the video log of him being killed cut of just before he was struck dead so tecknically you cant tell. Howver most think he is dead Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1536527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eetion Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 And then you have the BL book Lord of Night. Hes dead im afraid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1536551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 And then you have the BL book Lord of Night.Hes dead im afraid. But then there are also all the talk of how BL books are not to be considered "cannon" so meh ;) TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1536566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dammeron Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Most of the available fluff confers on the point that he is dead. That said...there is some deliberate ambiguity in the Index Article in which the Primarch's confrontation with the Assassion M'shen is recorded on some sort of built-in surveillance device that shorts out before the final blow can be recorded.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1536583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelias Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 it's also found in Codex: assassins that came free with white dwarf ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1536595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Behold, The Night Lords Timeline Edit: and the Haunter is dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1536615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Well, the thing about the so-called ambiguity, is that the assassin obviously got back to her Temple, so she had to survive, and I doubt she could run from a Primarch. In other words, he's definitely dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1536968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IhateSpaceMarines Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 As much as I don't want to believe it, he is indeed dead. After reading the IA articles and also in Lord Of The Night, the evidence is right there, The whole book is really based on the aftermath of his death when you think about it ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1536972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Well, the thing about the so-called ambiguity, is that the assassin obviously got back to her Temple, so she had to survive, and I doubt she could run from a Primarch.In other words, he's definitely dead. As a matter if fact I'm pretty sure that the assassin actually was killed pretty soon after the supposed "assassination". TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1537050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Engelhardt Posted April 6, 2008 Author Share Posted April 6, 2008 Ok guys, I read some stuff until today, and I think I have to admit that NH is dead The thing I read said that the records of the killing broke off before the final blow was delivered, but it also said that this assassin M'Shen was killed by Zso Za'Haal (sp?) when leaving the Night Lords base....But then again I read that Night Haunter was totally ok with the thought of being killed...mysterious stuff^^ I think I will make a model of him anyway <_< But thanks to all you guys, and post more if you have more stuff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1537062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IhateSpaceMarines Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Well, the Night Haunter allowed himself to be killed to prove the emperor wrong , can't remember what it was but something about "Vindication is greater than death" something along those lines. It just goes to show how he is willing to die for his idealogy which basically proves that he is THE greatest of all primarchs, no bias there <_< . AVE DOMINUS NOX ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1537067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 But if the assassin was killed, then how did they get the recording? Shouldn't it be in Night Lords possession then? As for the story, Zso Sahaal only cut off the hand, he didn't kill her. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1537541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Engelhardt Posted April 7, 2008 Author Share Posted April 7, 2008 Where's that from ? I'm pretty sure he killed her... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1537634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IhateSpaceMarines Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 As for the story, Zso Sahaal only cut off the hand, he didn't kill her. I thought he made her into minced meat? Haven't got my Lord Of The Night book with me ... Girlfriend reading it :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1537753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 although there is a slight possibility of konrad being alive i highly doubt it. make the model anyway then post it in the hall of honour. :P however you can't use it pre or post heresy because he never became a DP but you can make your own rules for fun :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1537760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Lord of the Night. It states he cuts off her hand. (SPOILERS!!!) the one holding the Corona. And then the Eldar arrive, distracting him from the assassin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1537824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dourine Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 He could be still alive. Small chance, but the argument i use is this. Night Haunter hated everything and anything after the heresy. He hated all his brothers, he hated the imperium, hated his father, on and on. He knew that no matter what, one side or the other would always be after him. So he could have faked his own death. He knew the assassin was coming, so that was his oppurtunity. The fluff says he would often use body doubles to confuse his enemies, well, the supposed Night Haunter may have been one of these body doubles. But not just to confuse his enemies, but to confuse his own space marines as well. In order to finally live in peace, nobody could know he was alive. After that he found a nice little resort planet in the eye of terror where he sits on beaches where every grain of sand is the fear of a mortal and every lapping wave on the shore is the death of a mortal. Sipping fear-tini's of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1538032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 The Night Haunter faking is own death.. Lord of the NIght clearly mentioned that his captains were all present when He died and were forbidden to intervene. too bad because we could use one like the nighthaunter on the dark side as DP.. He surely would have pleased the Dark Gods a lot during the last 10.000 years after the Heresy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1538047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 The fluff says he would often use body doubles to confuse his enemies, well, the supposed Night Haunter may have been one of these body doubles. But not just to confuse his enemies, but to confuse his own space marines as well. In order to finally live in peace, nobody could know he was alive.I'm curious, where does it say this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1538317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 that is alfarius he is mixing up with Cruze. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1538576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IhateSpaceMarines Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 I just thought of an idea... considering that there is mention of the Night Haunter's psychich powers (or potential) ... could it be that he decieved everyone on the night of his death and made an illusion that himself actually dying but in actual fact he used his psychic powers to stage it ? There really is no mention of his body after the events of the assassin part, it could be possible ... considering there really is that uncertainty of the aftermath of that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1538610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Sahal saw him killed with his own eyes and then saw the calidus take Cruze Corona Nox . And then the eldar came , because they saw NL with a focused leadership a great danger for them in the future . Also in the known fluff the hunter pyschic powers were those of seeing a future the worse it could be for him . He was never shown with active psychic powers working on others . He is dead . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1538619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IhateSpaceMarines Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Yes i know Sahal saw it with his own eyes and saw the assassin take it and so on, but he does have psychic powers that extend beyond him seeing the future , based on the "Dark King", he was able to i kill everyone in a room with some sort of psychic blast... not exactly sure, but if you ask someone thats read the dark king i think they can justify that. Now I know he is dead, but from my curiousity i can't help but think up that he may've been able to stage the whole thing if indeed his psychic powers were quite formidable :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/133340-night-haunter/#findComment-1538708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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