Demon Prince proxy?

[EEG]

my current chaos list calls for a rather basic winged demon prince. however, i do not really want to fork out the $35+ for the metal demon prince model since i'm not a big fan of it.

 

but...

 

at the same time i have a tyranids list in the works that has almost-equally basic winged hive tyrant.

 

and so would it be appropriate to count the hive tyrant as a demon prince (shows how ridiculously messed up by the warp he was) or is it only passable as a proxy in casual games?

[Looted Monolith]

You will always find players that have no imagination whatsoever and they will be pretty bitchy, on the other hand you idea sound like something i would do, perhaps a compromise if you could tack on a shoulderpad and spacemarine chest plate, i think youd have your self a legitamite deamon prince/ might be hard to explain why hes your hive tyrant tho.

 

Not sure if this helps iam a very easygoing player, and whouldnt give it a second thought. GL

[Kingin]

I want to make a daemon prince also but do you think that an Ogre is a model big enough to be one?

[sonsoftaurus]

Ogres are bigger than marines, smaller than the official DP models. If it's big enough is mostly up to you.

[treadhead]

have you considered using the belakor model from the warhammer range, as with a few small details changed he makes a quite nice daemon prince

 

used him for my night lords army never had a problem fielding him, the only thing i added was a bolt pistol to his pointy arm

 

edit

added pic

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/treadhead2/nightlordsdaemonprince.jpg

 

have since drilled that pesky barrel and done the base :P

[WelshMullet]

Use a mordor or cave troll from LOTR range, and stick on some plastic wings.

[chillin]

It would certainly work in a casual game, and it is a GW model so it should be fine in a game store or even a GW store. Should be ok in a tourney but I don't know. Might want to ck out old FB DP's that's what I used for the base for my convertion. They look good imo.

[Kingin]

Sorry now i know what that is. EDITED

[Alugard]

It's a shame that GW has stopped selling individual plastic and metal peices...

 

 

Oh well my DP will have 2 Jump Packs with lots of green stuff.

[teh_perfesser]

A bottle cap is proxy enough for casual, friendly games. Anything your opponent agrees to is fine.

 

It wouldn't be appropriate have a Hive Tyrant 'counts as' a Demon Prince. Why? Because it's a Hive Tyrant. For the same reason you can't 'counts as' a Land Raider using an Eldar Fire Prism; the models are misleading since they are actually something else within the 40K Universe.

 

An appropriately size model from a non-GW line or a Warhammer Fantasy / LotR would be fine (heck a Warhammer Fantasy or LotR model is tournament legal at the GTs). Of course that doesn't help with cost, but maybe your Friendly Local Gaming Store™ has something non-40K but still Citadel available on the cheap.

[chillin]

I got my old skool FB DP for $15 (I think), but that was several years ago. I assume you can still order them or maybe get them off some "after market" site.

[EEG]

so it seems the general consensus is that i can't get away with the hive tyrant being a demon prince.

 

what i might end up doing is converting the demon prince out of chaos spawn and possessed parts, or is that not enough?

 

 

oh heck, i just might go use a bottle cap instead if it all doesn't work out :)

[Night Stalker]

spawn prince is good bet IMO

 

just customize it :D

[kharn_the_betrayer]

If you can still find it there is a MUCH different dp for fantasy. If you can still get your hands on it, It is skinny and has wings. Their is also another from the Storm of Chaos campaign that has a sword and wings, i think it also has MoU on it somewhere. I can't find pics.

[blamb]

i use belakor wielding a WE shield as mine khorne prince, and am converting a renegade ogryn (the limited edition) to have wings or a jump pack for my iron warriors.

 

as for using a tyrant, you should get away with. you should maybe have a few mutations on it. A thought that just struck me is maybe a human grafted to the tyrants chest as thought they both moved around about the same place in the warp at around about the same time in our universe (the warp don't act like our universe)

[Maladon]

I've considered the plastic Balrog from the LoTR line for a daemon prince. its got wings and the whip to represent the lash of submission(for the WYSIWYG mongers).

 

Needed to add something to this, that Balrog would make a prefect DP for the Harkan's Reavers.. as Harkan himself!

 

*Ponders even more about the buy!*

[teh_perfesser]

what i might end up doing is converting the demon prince out of chaos spawn and possessed parts, or is that not enough?

Possessed parts? Is that what those two extra sprues in the Chaos Battleforce are? :)

 

Yeah, possessed pieces would work. To be safe, follow GW's GT rules. You'd have to set him on a 40mm (terminator base) and build the base up to make him a bit taller. A Possessed Marine is sort of a mid-point between a Choas Marine and a Demon Prince, so you just have to lean him a bit more towards the DP side.

 

EDIT: I was motivated now to work on my Lord...

 

Here's a Demon Prince Model:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn74/teh_perfesser/daemon_prince_b.jpg

 

Here's my Lord (with a normal size marine for scale and ignore the GS hack... this was shot while I was waiting for it to dry enough to smooth out):

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn74/teh_perfesser/CLD001_001.jpg

 

"When I grow up, I'm gunna be a Demon Prince! :P

[EEG]

that picture is pretty helpful in terms of figuring out the size of what the model will look like.

it seems i'll have to use the chaos spawn body after all then, to make it "bigger", though it just end up being wider and not exactly taller. now, whether the possessed marine parts will be proportional or not to the body might become another issue.

 

also that's an interesting thought: explaining the relatively small size of the demon prince by saying he had just reached demonhood and hasn't fully "developed" (or something)

[teh_perfesser]

You could, perhaps, use a terminator body and some of the 'true scale' techniques here on B&C... that keeps the proportions right.

 

Getting the scale / size right would be very difficult since the DP is almost double the standard marine in height. If your DP is winged and you use the Possessed wings, you'll have the total model width right and the true scaling and a built up base should get the height close enough.

 

- Conversions must begin as Citadel miniatures and contain a majority of Citadel components Check.

- models must be roughly the same size as those you are substituting them for "Roughly" means somewhere between twice the size and half the size

- you must be consistent throughout your army If you're running two DPs, they'd need to be similar.

- you must be very clear with your opponent prior to the game Check.

 

No matter what, if you field a conversion, you will run into people who will try any excuse they can think of to get an advantage by making you remove the model from the table. You are going the have to be prepared to deal with that -- check with the tournament organizer before bringing the model and get the model okay'd prior to the event (get an email and print it out, don't expect the organizer to remember or to even be available when you need help) and don't bring it without having it okay'd.

 

Stay calm when discussing the model, some players will argue about the model just to knock you off your game, so stay cool. There are folks here in this forum who run into this kind of stuff all the time, they can help you with ways to deal with it (I would probably turn it around on them by laughing off their complaints and frustrating them).

 

My model above isn't ideal, it looks too much like a Possessed Marine. But it will more than likely never see a table, so I'm not concerned.

[krispy the klown]

hive tyrant as DP next thing you know people will say there gundam model is actuely a war hound titan ;)