Brother Captain Cassius Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 I was going to outfit the 2nd Company Captain with Terminator Armour with a Hammer and Sheild, then put him with a squad of Assault Terminators and a Land Raider Crusader, so he can smash into the enemy line and the carnage may ensue. Just wondering if anyone has had experiance with this or advice. ~Brother Captain Cassius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 I wouldn't go with the hammer, don't want to lose the higher initiative. Go with lightning claws or power weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor1313 Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Second that. With some lightning-claw terminators, it's quite possible that your commander will have nothing to blat with a hammer due to kill-zone rules. In addition, JamesI is correct in noting that you're tanking your I5 that you're paying for. Sidenote; the Land Raider has no access points to fire from, so you might very well be missing out on using the commaner's Rites of Battle. If so, I'd ponder a Chaplain for the Litanies of Hatred, or a Librarian for the force weapon/Might of Heroes. Both of those models are more CC-oriented than the Captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarnak21 Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Just a fluff thing. Should the second company captain be plonking around in terminator armour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Just a fluff thing. Should the second company captain be plonking around in terminator armour? As long as your chapter isnt fighting during the time Tycho was in command of the 2nd then sure why not? A chapter isnt about to go "Well captain..you've survived a few hundred years. Kept a close grip on the black rage and made it through the 1st company then as captain of the other companies to make it all the way to captain of the 2nd...but we need that terminator armour back...cause well...yeah we just dont want you to have it.." They would let him keep it. Infact I wouldnt be surprised if there were special suits set aside for each captain to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultio Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Thunder Hammer vs Power Claw can be tough, so here is a table to help. Toughness: Weapon: 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Power Claw 0.972 0.889 0.750 0.556 0.306 0.306 0.000 0.000 0.000 Thunder Hammer 0.833 0.833 0.833 0.833 0.833 0.667 0.500 0.333 0.167 Just remember that it is also Init 4 vs Init 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokunator Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Captains of other companies can be outfitted in Terminator armour if the mission dictates it. Btw, Tycho wouldn't object to anyone captaining the second company, as he was the captain of the third company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Captains of other companies can be outfitted in Terminator armour if the mission dictates it. Btw, Tycho wouldn't object to anyone captaining the second company, as he was the captain of the third company. My bad. I just dont pay enough attention to the numbers...I think it has something to do with how badass tycho was so I just assume he was captain of the 2nd instead of the 3rd >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Cassius Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 The fluff around my boys is they're a BA successor who spent 14 years fighting on their homeworld against a crashed Space Hulk full of Orks, a Chaos Space Marine invasion and an evil Inquisitor. Having had been outnumbered for so long, they're sufficiently understrength, and having only 400 Marines left, they underwent a drastic re-organization of their forces. Their are only 30 Terminatiors left in the whole Chapter and they've been spread though the battle companies as not to suffer the same losses they did during the battle for their homeworld. The Second Company Captain, took a suit of termi armour for himself and during the battle for their world he specialized in battling Chaos and his nickname became the Deamon Hammer, hence the hammer question, but it would seem that the stats are against me. ~Brother Captain Cassius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droofus Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 The fluff around my boys is they're a BA successor who spent 14 years fighting on their homeworld against a crashed Space Hulk full of Orks, a Chaos Space Marine invasion and an evil Inquisitor. Having had been outnumbered for so long, they're sufficiently understrength, and having only 400 Marines left, they underwent a drastic re-organization of their forces. Their are only 30 Terminatiors left in the whole Chapter and they've been spread though the battle companies as not to suffer the same losses they did during the battle for their homeworld. The Second Company Captain, took a suit of termi armour for himself and during the battle for their world he specialized in battling Chaos and his nickname became the Deamon Hammer, hence the hammer question, but it would seem that the stats are against me. ~Brother Captain Cassius That's some cool fluff. Stick with it. Lightning claws were the weapon of Horus (curse his name) anyway. Something that no one has mentioned is that the thunder hammer/storm shield combo will give him a 4++ rather than a 5++ in close combat. If you were using the old codex, I'd recommend that you give your captain both a thunder hammer and a power weapon. That way he'd get an extra attack AND the ability to choose between the hammer strength bonus or the speed of the power weapon. Ah, the things we've lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultio Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 That's some cool fluff. Stick with it. Lightning claws were the weapon of Horus (curse his name) anyway. Something that no one has mentioned is that the thunder hammer/storm shield combo will give him a 4++ rather than a 5++ in close combat.That's lame, the Terminator Armor takes away the Iron Halo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batface the Hat Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 True, but 'Nilla marines can't have termi armour and an Iron Halo either. I think the only one who can is Lysander, but I'm not positive there. Even Calagar loses his in Termi Armour, if memory serves. Beyond Lysander I've never known it to be able to be taken with TDA. -the Hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor1313 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 No one in Terminator Armor gets a Halo, period. Lysander is 2+/4++ because he too packs the hammer/shield combo. Calgar has the option to trade artificer armor and iron halo out for terminator armor. Much as I think the hammer and the fluff are cool, I don't think I could bring myself to arm an I5 character with an I1 weapon. Against the rank and file T4-5 enemies, claws crank out more attacks and probably more wounds; against anything but the nastiest CQC specialists you'll wipe out troops. If he's rolling with other terminators or a tactical squad, then there should be at least one powerfist around to help out, should anything larger come their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Cassius Posted April 14, 2008 Author Share Posted April 14, 2008 I know this'll be a points hog, but I was going to have Captain Grizzlehyde run with his Termi Armour, Hammer & Sheild, then stick him with a core of Assault Terminators or possibly standard Termies in a Land Raider Crusider, or just have them Deep Strike into battle behind the enemy lines. Risky I know, but thats how I win so often. You'd think when you fight Space Marines you'd expect stuff like that. But the initive 1 is killing me, a shame we're not allowed to use Termiators as Honour Guards, now that would be nice. ~Brother Captain Cassius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor1313 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 I think I'd go standard terminators for the deep-strike love, and naturally pack on the assault cannon. AGainst anyone without rending or power weapons, you're in good shape to open up with storm bolters, the assault cannon, and then throw down a nasty charge. PLus you're in good shape to punch out enemy non-skimmers as well, given the potential 12 powerfist attacks you'll be throwing at something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkiraCho Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 fluffwise my army also has reason to carry thunderhammers Lords of the Forge and yeah, ive done ok with thunderhammers, they arnt efficient or cost effective at all.. but if your fluff dictates, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nore Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Lysander is 2+/4++ because he too packs the hammer/shield combo. Lysander actually has 2+/3+. Storm shield in the regular space marine codex, grants 3+ invulnerable. He is too sick. Eternal warrior, 4 wounds, strength 10 master crafted thunder hammer, he just can't be killed!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtNACHO Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 *Calls Mephiston* I think I know who can kill him ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 *Calls Mephiston* I think I know who can kill him ;) Considering Lysander can instant kill Mephiston (str 10!) and Mephiston can't instant kill Lysander, I'd give Lysander the advantage if they faced off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatter Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 He'd have to catch him 1st. given terrain and unlimited time, meph could shoot him to death. http://www.geocities.com/shats_in_pants/Meph-versus-lysander.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nore Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 with one shot a turn? which lysander gets a 3+ save from. With 4 wounds! And to hit with a pistol he would have to be in 12", that's an assault for Lysander nexy turn, and that grants him 4 attack. - Yeah, MAYBE Mephistons best play, is to assault himself and use tranfixing glare (making lysander have only 2 attacks), and them use might of heroes, granting himself between 7-9 attacks! 4+ to hit, 3+ to wound! but still, Lysander is an eternal warrior, so force weapon doesn't work, and 4 wounds. In return, lysander has one reroll for his (potentially) 2 attacks, hitting on 4+, them 2+ is insta'kill! Lysander wins 9/10 against mephiston. And that's ridiculous IMO. Anybody other than me who thinks Lysander is overpowered? He would even kick Ghazgull's ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtNACHO Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Oh, i didn't know bout the no instant death, just one more reason their codex needs to be burned. over and over and over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Israfel Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 A little off topic but a good terminator armored hero option for the BA is a Brother Captain from the DH codex. He only has 1 W but his PwP is Str 6 and he can be equipped with a Psychic Hood and let's say an incinerator for very cheap. He won't be the uber character to end all other characters but can add a severe punch to your terminator squad and bolster your psychic defenses. Just a thought :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo1701 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 True, but 'Nilla marines can't have termi armour and an Iron Halo either. I think the only one who can is Lysander, but I'm not positive there. Even Calagar loses his in Termi Armour, if memory serves. Beyond Lysander I've never known it to be able to be taken with TDA. -the Hat According to the SM codex, both normal captains and Calgar retain their Iron halo in TDA. Calgars entry clearly states 'replace power armour with armour of antilochus' and makes no reference to his other wargear. Similarly, the Captain/chapter master entries specifically list which wargear is replaced by TDA and the iron halo isn't mentioned - in factit may be the only thing NOT replaced. If all wargear including the halo were replaced then the entry would read the same as the BA captains entry which states exactly that. Yet another discrepency between the SM and BA codex wargear which needs clearing up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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