Son of Corax Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 So I know that a majority of death guard becam plauge marines and a majority of emperors children became noise marines, but where did thousand sons and khorne bezerkers come from? Thanks for filling in my knowledge! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corax_rg Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 well, thousand sons were a result of the rubric of Ahriman. Pretty much anyone with little or no psychic powers were turned to dust in their power armour. Berserkers are pretty much lobotomised marines. IIRC parts of the brain which control pain and rational thinking is removed. Acctually, i think loss of rational thinking may be a side effect of the lobotomy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1546572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somar Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 zerkers came from the world eaters legion, led by Angron... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1546587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Corax Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Thank you both, the only question remaining is: was there a specific legion associated with the thousand sons, or just a bunch of guys who decided Ahriman seemed like a nice enough guy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1546622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
benno_wallace Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 They are the Thousand Sons Chapter Marines. The Thousand Sons were affected by wide spread mutation. To stop it from spreading further in the legion Ahriman cast his now infamous Rubric. All rubric Marines were once normal Thousand Sons Marines although now they are mindless automatons. While Beserkers, Noise Marines and Plague Marines appear outside the World Eaters, Emporors Children and Death Guard there is no canon fluff i know of to support Rubric Marines outside the Thousand Sons Chapter, not to say you can make some up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1546633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM THE AWESOME Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 The specific legion related with thousand sons is, umm... thousand sons Well at least you asked EDIT: Dang! beat to it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1546634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Corax Posted April 17, 2008 Author Share Posted April 17, 2008 Ahhh, thank you. That clears that up. Now, With Abbadon's black crusades, was there not warriors of all four variaties? was this just an alliance of multiple armies or did he have such resources in his personal army? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1546635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peredyne Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 The Thousand Sons is the name of the original legion. Quick breakdown: World Eaters = Khorne Berzerkers Emperor's Children = Noise Marines Death Guard = Plague Marines Thousand Sons = Thousand Sons Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1546637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattman Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Abbadon leads the black legion, which is devoted to no single god. he allied both with renegade marines and some of the fallen legion marines as their structure for the most part disintegrated and they fight as warbands instead of chapters or legions as it were. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1546682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 The Thousand Sons is the name of the original legion. Quick breakdown: World Eaters = Khorne Berzerkers Emperor's Children = Noise Marines Death Guard = Plague Marines Thousand Sons = Thousand Sons as stated several time here and in other places - you are wrong Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1547121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flintlocklaser Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 The Thousand Sons is the name of the original legion. Quick breakdown: World Eaters = Khorne Berzerkers Emperor's Children = Noise Marines Death Guard = Plague Marines Thousand Sons = Thousand Sons as stated several time here and in other places - you are wrong How so? The OP wanted a quick guide as to which of the original legions provided the majority of the original 'cult' troopers, and Peredyne provided it. Do you have info that contradicts this? A flat 'you are wrong' is aggressively unhelpful, particularly when the poster you are jumping on is right as per the parameters of the original question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1547239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiri the Corrupted Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 The Thousand Sons is the name of the original legion. Quick breakdown: World Eaters = Khorne Berzerkers Emperor's Children = Noise Marines Death Guard = Plague Marines Thousand Sons = Thousand Sons as stated several time here and in other places - you are wrong How so? The OP wanted a quick guide as to which of the original legions provided the majority of the original 'cult' troopers, and Peredyne provided it. Do you have info that contradicts this? A flat 'you are wrong' is aggressively unhelpful, particularly when the poster you are jumping on is right as per the parameters of the original question. You're right flintlocklaser, saying that Peredyne is 'wrong', is indeed a bit blunt. But Night Stalker does have a point. It is not really wrong, but a it's not accurate either. Saying that cult-troops (berzerkers and the like) come from the four original legions is technically correct, but it's a gross simplification. The Black Legion has World Eater psycho-surgeons that can replicate the original implant and make 'true' berzerkers instead of simple frenzied Khorne worshippers. Like wise the Nurgle Sorcerors can gift other Chaos Marines with the Destroyer Plague that turns them into Plague Marines. Noise Marines are just Slaaneshi warriors with sonic weaponry, any Slaanesh worshipping Marine with a sonic blaster is automatically a Noise Marine no matter his origins. It's true that these four legions consist almost exclusively of Cult troops, but cult troops do not automatically come from these legions. Except of course Rubric Marines, those are 1k sons only warriors, but I've heard stuff about new ones being made. Not sure 'bout those though. Codex-fluff states pretty clearly that only the warriors present on the Planet of Sorcerors during the casting were turned into Rubric warrior automatons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1547262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreachon Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 The OP question is from which legion the cult units originated from, so Peredyne is 100% correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1547275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flintlocklaser Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Saying that cult-troops (berzerkers and the like) come from the four original legions is technically correct, but it's a gross simplification. But again, the OP asked for a simplified answer, which Peredyne correctly (as you said) provided. Then, your expanded answer also addressed the OP's follow-up question about how Abbadon came to field cult troops despite not being from their original legions, which was both helpful and correct. A flat and unsupported 'you are wrong' however, is worse than useless, it's combative and uninformative. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1547281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Now, With Abbadon's black crusades, was there not warriors of all four variaties? was this just an alliance of multiple armies or did he have such resources in his personal army? - Yes, there was warriors of all 4 variates. Yes, it was an alliance of multiple armies and legions. Yes, there is also warriors of all four "cult" types in the Black Legion, Abbadon's "personal" army. BL brzrkrs that are not worldeaters, BL "noisemarines" that are not E' children, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1547343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadian16th Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Essentially, all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. AFAIK, the same goes for cult marines, i.e. all Death Guard are Plague Marines, all World Eaters are Khorne Berzerkers, not 100% on the Emperor's Children, but, all Thousand Sons (the legion) are Thousand Sons (the cult marines). However, not all Plague Marines are Death Guard, etc. Not 100% on this, someone correct me if I'm mistaken, or confirm so I don't feel like an idiot :pinch: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1547408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dammeron Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 The Thousand Sons, unlike the other Chaos Space Marine "cults" (Plague Marines, Khorne Berserkers) are all derived from the legion of the same name. They were the result of the legion's chief librarian's attempts to halt the physical degeneration that exposure to Chaos was causing following their fall into the service of the Chaos God Tzeentch. The Khorne Berserkers are a cult that originally derived from the World Eaters legion, and are utterly dedicated to their role as the Sacred Destroyers of the Blood God. They are joined by initiates from various other sources, and are by and large the most expansive and significant of the Traitor Marine "cults". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1547913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Essentially, all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. AFAIK, the same goes for cult marines, i.e. all Death Guard are Plague Marines, all World Eaters are Khorne Berzerkers, not 100% on the Emperor's Children, but, all Thousand Sons (the legion) are Thousand Sons (the cult marines). However, not all Plague Marines are Death Guard, etc. Not 100% on this, someone correct me if I'm mistaken, or confirm so I don't feel like an idiot :P You got it pretty much. The only part that is different is the Thousand Sons as mentioned already. TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134344-chaos-legions/#findComment-1548666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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