apparition Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Hi everyone, New to this forum and just recently started getting back into 40k. I'm making a Nightlords army and am pondering, as every evil genius does, on what wargear to give my chaos lord. I'm aiming for a 1500 point force and dont know whether to give him a power fist or power sword/mace. He's definitely getting a jump pack and possibly mark of tzeentch though my fluff obsession tells me to avoid selling out. My force is going to revolve mainly around standard csm infantry and couple squads of raptors plus defiler and auto cannon armed havocs. Any ideas? Cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Don't do the fist, losing that high initiative hurts. Why not a deamon weapon. +1 strength power weapon with extra attacks (assuming no mark). I like the mark of tzeentch, but it seems wrong for a Night Lord. If you do do the mark of Tzeentch, give him a deamon weapon and deamonic steed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1550228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Shadow Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Give him a daemon weapon, that way he'll make back his points, if you don't give him one then it's going to be hard to make back his points during the game. Also who doesn't like a +1 str, +D6 power weapon attacks :( (undivided of course for night lords) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1550260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 It's become sort of a de facto rule of thumb: Chaos Lords are meant to be carrier of daemon weapons, because no one else can be. Definitely take the daemon weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1550315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apparition Posted April 21, 2008 Author Share Posted April 21, 2008 Thanks for the replies! I think ill be taking the demon weapon which has the added bonus of being more fun to paint. The only reason i was thinking of mark of Tzeentch was to increase that invulnerable save so if he was equipped with a powerfist he'd stand a chance against power weapons but glad to get away from the unfluffiness. My only concern though is that would a demon weapon to expensive to have in a 1500 point game? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1550360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I don't think so. I use a Tzeentch lord with deamonic steed and deamon weapon every game. He's my best killer, even better than the deamon prince. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1550363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maladon Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Night lord lord idea jump pack, melta bombs bolt pistol and daemon weapon! BTW and OT- apparition from Amtgard? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1550377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apparition Posted April 21, 2008 Author Share Posted April 21, 2008 hmmm 5pts for the potential to take down a tank... why not! Yeah your idea is how its looking now! @Maladon, No unfortunately he is the name of a character i had in a story i am writing though (non-warhammer related). Might call my lord that or have it in his title, seems very suitable for a Nightlord. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1550392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter099 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I say no meltabombs. With the new chaos codex, ALL your unis come with Krak grenades. I played a game against a fairly tank heavy IG army. My footsoldiers with krak weapons did the work. So no, 5pts. to increase the chance of hurting a tank is not worth it. Anyways, you shouldn't be wasting time and points assualting a tank with a souped up chaos lord who could be killing 5 marines in one go, only to find your meltabomb didn't quite kill the tank. So just leave your flunkies and meltaguns on bikes to do the tank hunting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1550440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainFireBob Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Meltabombs are for when you're stuck-in with a Dread. It happens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1550587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maladon Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Krak grenades don't always work, I was in a tourney round and the opponent was using krak grenads and melta bomb against my defiler... the melta bomb was way more effective, remember you are usually assaulting the front armour of vehicles.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1550604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Why not a dual slanny DP's with lash and 9 oblit NL's army :blush: . Glad to see you are sticking w/ the fluff. The undivided D. weop is very good. They only other choice IMO would be dual LC's on a undivided lord, but the D, weop is better IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1550689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamjar Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Has to be lightning claws and jump pack on a Nightlords Lord. Anyone who's read Mr Simon Spurrier's book Lord of the Night has to agree. Such a cool chaos space marine book! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1551614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x_beowolf_x1 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Has to be lightning claws and jump pack on a Nightlords Lord. Anyone who's read Mr Simon Spurrier's book Lord of the Night has to agree. Such a cool chaos space marine book! I agree, that was a good book... how did it go again? oh yea..... AVE DOMINUS NOX! Although i never found out if the sahaal guy actually found the crown again... Anyway, yea definatly take a deamon weapon, undivided if your sticking to fluff. If your not, i would say bliss giver, which is sorta expensive but especially good on a squad of space marines with no invulnerable, at least for me it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1551935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apparition Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 Cheers Chillin, long live the fluff! Lightning claws are nice but i prefer the demon weapon. Given up on the power fist completely since it seems it will be nerfed in 5th ed so that you only get another attack if you have two... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1552556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 but Power Fist + Combi-Plasma could be neat ... on Terminator Lord :turned: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1552833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x_beowolf_x1 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 except that the combi plasma gun would be kind a waste... 1 shot of plasma per game? i mean cmon. the deamon weapon doesnt lower your initiative and also give you a potential 6 attacks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1552992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 well - it could be daemon weapon and combi plasma - for 5 pts i take 2+ to hit one-use-only plasma any day :> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1553051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captianhowdy Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Since it says the Undivided daemon weapon can come in just about any shape, why not make IT into claws? Add some gs detailing to a pair of LCs and bam. Play a few friendly games to see if you like the D weapin or LCs better, as for wysiwyg, you can have both modeled Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1553143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Thanks for the replies! I think ill be taking the demon weapon which has the added bonus of being more fun to paint. The only reason i was thinking of mark of Tzeentch was to increase that invulnerable save so if he was equipped with a powerfist he'd stand a chance against power weapons but glad to get away from the unfluffiness. My only concern though is that would a demon weapon to expensive to have in a 1500 point game? If im honest with you can take the mark of tzeentch but basically model him undivided and maybe do something to explain why he has a better save (maybe add details to his suit or something and bam its some kind of artificer armour.) The most important thing is to inform your opponent before the game begins if its not 100% clear. I have a khornate army but its lead by a Daemon Prince with the mark on Tzeentch because I think a 4+ inv save is more worth while than a 1 more attack and I've rationalised this by the extra Daemonic armour I have given him. Someone made a comment about MoS for sorcerers/daemon princes (rather than lords) and Lash of Submission combined with a fast night lords army is very nasty indeed. But in the end go with what feels right with you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1553248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Durius Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I use the mark of Tzeentch extensively to represent personal sheild generators (similar to Iron Halos) on my units. I find also that a Deathscreamer can be extremely useful against MEqs, especially Necrons as it negates their armor save. The only problem with it is that it gives you another chance of wounding yourself, but my high Invuls take care of that pretty well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1553572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x_beowolf_x1 Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 but also since deamon weapons are two handed doesnt that mean that you cant have a gun? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1553855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainFireBob Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 No, there's no "handed" rule in the current codex- being two handed simply means you only get a bonus attack for charging, never for carrying a pistol. However, you can still have a pistol- and bolter (or combi-weapon)- that you use in the shooting phase. There's simply no taking advantage of the 2 close combat weapon rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1555027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLAND Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 doesnt having a power fist mean instant kill? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1555430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLAND Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 what happens to your initiative when you attack with a power fist? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/134656-chaos-lord-power-fist-or-power-weapon/#findComment-1555433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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