How would this work...

[Grand Master Raziel Secundus]

Hello all

 

I am a DA player and have a 3rd co I am thinkng of changing from "Unforgiven" to "Fallen" status. What would I have to do as I was thinking they could go renegade rather that worship the gods (Really to give my Deathwing something to hunt)

 

Any tips or suggestions would be helpful

 

Cheers

[Hellios]

Hello all

 

I am a DA player and have a 3rd co I am thinkng of changing from "Unforgiven" to "Fallen" status. What would I have to do as I was thinking they could go renegade rather that worship the gods (Really to give my Deathwing something to hunt)

 

Any tips or suggestions would be helpful

 

Cheers

 

Well i guess it would be a case of captain/master = lord, termies = termies, vets = chosen and so on and so forth. Older pattern armour would be cool depends how much work you want to do. Black armpur as well.

[Roultox]

The fallen often stay with their original black color scheme, or go with a newer green to show recent betrayal/representing the new Darkies theme for some odd reason or another.

 

Could go with pre-dated equipment style lists sporting lots of plasma guns in your havocs/troops.

 

However there is a discussion of that if Fallen Angels are really chaotic renegades or just traitors that follow their own noses. So its questionable if you would go with a traited Space Marine list, or chaos. Its up to you.

 

(Traits I might suggest would be Be swift as the Wind and maybe Scions of Mars)

[Hellios]

The fallen often stay with their original black color scheme, or go with a newer green to show recent betrayal/representing the new Darkies theme for some odd reason or another.

 

Could go with pre-dated equipment style lists sporting lots of plasma guns in your havocs/troops.

 

However there is a discussion of that if Fallen Angels are really chaotic renegades or just traitors that follow their own noses. So its questionable if you would go with a traited Space Marine list, or chaos. Its up to you.

 

(Traits I might suggest would be Be swift as the Wind and maybe Scions of Mars)

 

Not all of the fallen may be traitors, some of them may just have been on the planet at the time and either put out of action or fighting for the lion when they got scattered in time and space.

[Jiri the Corrupted]

Not all 'renegade' marines are Chaos worshippers (unfortunately). Some are just that, renegades. They live as pirates or mercenaries, fighting for wealth, (in)fame, power and the likes.

I could very well see a gang of Fallen fighting as corsairs/merc's, not turning to the True Gods of the Warp but going their own way as super-human-elite-shock-troops for hire in a galaxy wracked by constant warfare.

Depending on the amount of deviation, C:SM or C:CSM are equally fine. If you don't want to buy a new Chaos codex when you're not actually going to use Cult Troops of Daemon related troops, then just use the Trait system to create a infantry heavy SM force.

 

Just stay clear of Chaplains! (and DA and the Inquisition!)

[Bloodwave]

I think that an entire army of fallen would be something waaayyy too difficult to see, even an small warband entirely formed by fallen seems odd, since they are scatterd in time and space.

 

If I would put some fallen in an army, I would stay away from traits, as the new C:SM is coming, and the traits will dissapear. I would base the army in the actual C:CSM (or wait until the new C:SM came out) and model just the most oustanding models as Fallens and the rest of the army as renegades from other legions/chapters.

 

So, I would model as Fallen : Lord, Sorcerer and some Aspiring Champions. If I would want to "push it" with more Fallen, then a unit of Chosens made also with Fallen, and a small unit of Termies. For the rest of the normal CSM, I would use schemes from other renegades, or even a single color scheme from any Legion/Chapter representing an small "Conclave/Coven" of Fallen hiring the services of a renegade chapter that went mercs/pirates to add some muscle for a determined mission/incursion.

 

Even if you stay away from cult troops (although a single cult unit may well be hired as mercs... If your Fallen has no problem siding with chaos) and chaotic stuff in general, the fact that CSM now comes "full equip" can be a good representation of the Fallen "veteranship" and the fact that they work alone most of the time and then, are used to fight under different circumstances.

 

Maybe a dread sporting old DA iconography would be cool too... If there were dreads already in service in times of the Heresy... I read a piece of fiction regarding a Fallen dread, long time ago, but, IIRC, it was fan-made.

[Brother Nihm]

Small Fallen warbands are possible and explainable via existing fluff.

 

It all depends on what kind of Fallen army you want to create,

If you want a Chaos god-worshipping warband, it would allow you to embrace everything that is the Codex Chaos, from Daemons to wargear and special units like Obliterators.

 

If you want to stay true to the form of Captain Astellan and his ilk, DA marines that do not worship Chaos but have denounced the Lion, Codex Space Marines is probably a good way to go about it with the above mentioned Traits - until they remove them. Personally I'd prefer the Chaos one for the flexibility and modelling potential.

List-wise you can go either way, from a small specialist type list with a lot of veterans/chosen to a 'normal' Chaos or SM warband/force.

 

Not all of the Dark Angels' damned brethren have succumbed to the power of Chaos to the same degree. Some of the Fallen have embraced the ways of the Dark Gods totally, becoming true Chaos Space Marines. These Fallen do not belong to a Chapter of their own, like Angron's World Eaters. Instead they are dispersed throughout space and time as either isolated individuals or in small bands.

 

For more information on the fallen, check out the Chaos Literature Index

 

My 2 Kraks

 

 

PS. if memory serves there's a fallen dread called the Angel of Blades - in the short-story compilation: Deathwing.

[Roultox]

A fallen army isnt that much harder to make then a Deathwing army, heck only about 90 deathwing terminators in the dark angels chapter, and how many fallen angels could there make a 2k list? (and perhaps new fallen angels created anew/ressurected) Without chapter limitations, they could start their own mini legion for all the dark angels know of.

 

I wouldnt consider them rare, just hard to find. They could even be in disguise among loyalist marines!

 

Heck, how many marines does it take to start a new chapter, just two? (Consider black templars gene-seed started that of a thousand, they number much greater then that now so its not that hard)

[Kaptain Von]

I've often thought about adding some Fallen Chosen to various Chaos armies - unmarked, heavily armed, and infiltrating away from the Chaos allies whose company turns their stomachs slightly. The thought of a whole army of the blighters does strain my credibility a little, but it wouldn't be too hard to imagine some charismatic field commander (or Daemon Prince - an ascended Fallen convinced he's found the Way Out) pulling together all the Fallen from a sector, which would probably amount to about 1500 points worth of Chaos Marines (no Chaplains, Apothecaries or other trained specialists, and no Knowing No Fear - they've spent ten thousand years in hiding, suggesting that they're on quite intimate terms with fear by now).