Beserkers vs Possessed

[Smurfalypse]

I started doing a standard list around my gaming store which consisted of 10 termies footslogging, 10 possessed footslogging, and the combo has literally been an anvil for every game ive played since. Ive gone 21-0 since i started using them footslogging. I would 100% use possessed anyday over zerkers, which i find to be a little bland and lacking in most areas anyhow.

 

Tell an ork player that feel no pain on possessed is crap, watch a nid-zilla army get the fear of the gods when you roll up rending, see how it works out for you when you get fleet of foot and they are rushing at your enemy and force themselves to be the priority target leaving your terms and other units to do what they please, str 6, init 5 on the charge is pretty good in any situation when you roll up furious assualt, even in 5th ed scout is going to be much better and a little more usefull (right now its the only one that is kinda worthless in general).

 

My point is that people who say possessed are worthless, havnt play tested them much, if any at all. They can really still be a scourge of the battlefield if you use them in a manner that suits them.

 

Just my two cents!

 

OK, what I would point out here is that ALL infantry will gain the run special rule enabling them to move D6 in the shooting phase at the expense of shooting and being able to assault. Fleet of Foot will allow a unit that has run to charge in the shooting phase (as of 5th edition, which is so close we might as well take as read) Rending becomes ignores armour saves on a to-wound roll of a 6, rather less impressive than it is now wouldn't you say?? I'll admit Furious Charge is and will remain a good one, but remember you are paying a lot of points for that unit of possessed, and with furious charge they have 1 point of strength over the 'zerkers but have 1 less weapon skill, which balances out (roughly) so you are paying an extra 5pts per model for a 5+ invulnerable save... seem like a lot, particularly when the difference between a marine and a thousand son is 8 points and they get a 4+ invulnerable save and inferno bolts for that... do the math. Scout will be more useful in 5th edition, but it may mean having to leave your expensive unit in reserve, hope for a quick turnout and hope to get the board edge you want, a lot of things left up to chance.

 

Now I never said possessed were worthless, I personally like the models (except for some of the heads) and used correctly I'm sure they CAN be effective, I'd rather have a unit that used correctly WILL be effective regardless of a single dice roll made at the start of the game. Now I personally wouldn't take them, it doesn't mean that no-one should. It just seems to me that with 'zerkers being almost as good for less points and more reliable game-to-game there is not the justification there for ME to take them.

 

As for the 10 Terminators, now I agree there, OW... especially as they come with a 2+ armour save, a 5+ invulnerable save and power weapons for 30pts a piece, they, to my mind are the Elites Choice to go for... Particularly with a good array of combi-weapons for shooty goodness and the odd Chainfist for Monster/Tank Whamming...

 

Just my two pence!

 

Laterz...

 

Again to all of you people who are bashing possessed, try running them every so often and then talk about what you know. Im fairly certain none of you have run them more than 2 or 3 times AT MOST and are now just talking pretty much out of your buttox's ;) People fear possessed still for a reason, you run them vs anyone and their priority target is going to be possessed over zerkers and in 5th they are going to be much much better with the fleet working as it will be working. Its ok if you dont believe me, but the writer of this post asked and i gave my answer. Possessed rock and can be truly brutal in every sense of the word, they bring terror to your opponent and draw a huge amount of fire from anyone you play.

[Dam13n]

Again to all of you people who are bashing possessed, try running them every so often and then talk about what you know. Im fairly certain none of you have run them more than 2 or 3 times AT MOST and are now just talking pretty much out of your buttox's :lol: People fear possessed still for a reason, you run them vs anyone and their priority target is going to be possessed over zerkers and in 5th they are going to be much much better with the fleet working as it will be working. Its ok if you dont believe me, but the writer of this post asked and i gave my answer. Possessed rock and can be truly brutal in every sense of the word, they bring terror to your opponent and draw a huge amount of fire from anyone you play.

 

I didn't bash possessed... I didn't say they were worthless, I made sure I highlighted the most important word in my statement, the word ME I don't like the rules so don't take them, end of story...

 

I've highlighted one key point in your post, possessed DO get targetted above 'zerkers, which means they'll die quicker, and are less likely to make it into combat. Seeing as they have NO ranged weapons that leaves them out in the cold... at least 'zerkers get Bolt Pistols and access to the Plasma Pistol, giving them some say in the shooting phase if they need it.

 

when quoting someone actually read the wording of the post, you basically attacked my OPINION. something you have no right to do!! And did so in a way that suggested you haven't even read what I said... Talking out of my buttox, really... maybe you should take your head out of yours!!

 

Laterz...

 

edit - [i apologise in advance if any mods find my comments there offensive, I just wasn't happy with the way my previous analysis was so rudely dismissed]

[Playa]

Hey,

 

try running them every so often and then talk about what you know. Im fairly certain none of you have run them more than 2 or 3 times AT MOST

 

I'll just chime in to state that I wasn't dissing anyone's love of their Possessed models - I own ten myself.

But, I thought I had pretty fairly summarized my objections to their use as an Elite Unit in a competitive list.

I outlined the facts as I see them, and other interpretations are welcome - as long as they're not mere prejudice.

 

At root, the difference between opinion and prejudice is that one has its basis in fact.

 

IMO, as far as Possesed as a viable Elite alternative are concerned, the facts speak for themselves.

The models are nice, and some players "just like to use them", and that's fine - for them.

They're just not substantive enough reasons to recommend that others do the same.

 

Not hatin' [shrug], just sayin'.

 

 

Playa

[meeper]

if it means anything, as the creator of this potential monster, ive decided to go with terminators. Better shooting, deepstriking (i dont need to waste points on a rhino making the squad overall cheaper), all power weapons or fists (cheaper than getting a 40pt upgrade on a model), plus combi bolters or combi weapons and a heavy flamer that can be used to full effect even while moving? oh yeah and their awesome saves. IoK assures me that i have a monstrous amount of attacks on the charge.

 

I cant capture points though but oh well :D

 

Its sad though, even though they have great models, the rules for possessed are wasted potential, instead of giving us opportunities to make possessed a true asset to the army with rules on having demons of specific gods take control of them or making them cost less, they are just slightly better but clumsier bezerkers. hell they could have even given us more incentive to take a champion by letting him reroll on the possessed chart or something.