Alpha Legion in the EoT?

[Captain Tezdal]

Recently re-reading the chaos codex and the story about the AL infilitrating the Emp's Swords chapter and noticed that it says that they broke out of the eye of terror to attack. Now, if i remeber from the old IA article they always lived inside the imperium and never retreated into the eye. Is this some fluff ret-conning or what?

[the jeske]

more like Gav forgeting that AL had a different story , then the other chaos legions . Aside from that one place the official fluff is still that they live withing the empire .

[Dammeron]

Considering the general inadequacy of the new codex, it's probably more a matetr of incompetence than a deliberate fluff change. The same factor can be seen at work in the Noise Marine entry, in which it points out that the Noise Marines have their origins on Davin; a world that, according to the Horus Heresy novels, Fulgrim and his legion never even visited....

[Night Stalker]

Considering the general inadequacy of the new codex, it's probably more a matetr of incompetence than a deliberate fluff change. The same factor can be seen at work in the Noise Marine entry, in which it points out that the Noise Marines have their origins on Davin; a world that, according to the Horus Heresy novels, Fulgrim and his legion never even visited....

 

guess why Noise Marines are out of place ^_^

[Brother Aristeo]

2nd edition said that some of the Alpha Legion went to the Eye of Terror while most of them stayed behind in Imperial space.

 

Index Astartes (3rd edition) changed the background, while the new Codex ties it all together.

[Senseilord Ashahara]

"guess why Noise Marines are out of place "

 

they were on tour.

Supported by D-Rok.

[Lay]

The current take of Chaos seems to be a rehash of older editions.

Maybe they've put it in because they used the 2nd edition as a reference.

 

The way the "Devide and Conquer" paragraph is written, it seems as if the Alphas outside the Eye act as infiltrators/raiders and those within as an assault force.

 

Anyway with "Legion" as new center point of the AL I doubt that there will be any future references towards the Eye.

 

 

But on a sidenote: Imperial Armour 5 makes the same "mistake".

[Brother Aristeo]

Hey Lay, I haven't read Imperial Armour 5. What "mistake" are you talking about exactly?

 

I also like how you summed up the way Alphas work inside and outside the Eye of Terror. That's an interesting take on it. It makes it seem that the different splinter groups work in conjunction with each other, as opposed to each group just doing their own thing.

 

I have to disagree with you on the novel Legion being the new center point though. It's more of a starting point, and just sheds some light on what happened at the beginning. I personally think there will be another book, since Legion took place before the Heresy. Post-Heresy, the Alpha Legion definitely ends up on the side of Chaos, so there has to be more to the story.

 

 

Back on topic, what about Dawn of War? Are the Alpha Legion from the Eye of Terror in the game? I've never played the game, but I've seen screen shots with sorcerers and defilers and demons, so I always assumed the Alpha warband in the game hailed from the Eye.

[Prot]

I believe it's possible we're going to see a division in the chapter of the multi-headed serpent.

 

Dan Abnett has added his touch, and I've heard rumour that the Alpha's do not get off unscathed when plotting against Horus. Only time will tell but I think there's a lot more to Alpha that has been written (a lot of it is ambiguous to begin with.)

[DuskRaider]

In IA5 they're represented as worshipping the Chaos Gods as a pantheon, but also still using their sneaky infiltration and manipulating tactics they're so good at. They actually arrive as a "Relief Force" for the DKoK, and when they make it to the front lines, they start gunning them down. They're also pretty much manipulating the Renegades into their grand scheme, of what we do not know. We do know that they somehow contacted other Legions to come support the Renegades, as IA6 will feature Death Guard and World Eaters (hopefully with new rules).

 

I will say, however, their special character, Arkos the Faithless, is quite awesome and his stats and special rules are really nice!

[Norm]

Ever thought the AL acts as a balance between Chaos and the Imperium? Instead of choosing sides they could have took their own side and decided to act as a balance between the two, keeping the two in a stalemate. And inasmuch you would need to keep tabs on both the Imperium and Chaos, hence you have the AL in the EoT and in real space.

[Brother Aristeo]

Whoa, spill the beans Prot! Tell us what you know! Sounds like you got a hold of some nice rumours.

 

Hey Norm, I've come up with a lot of conspiracy theories about the AL and that is one of them. They're such a bunch of sneaks, there's no telling what they're really up to.

 

So DuskRaider, IA5 says that the AL contact other Legions from the Eye to come and back them up on Vraks? That's pretty cool. If they're tight with the World Eaters like that, I might have to throw a squad of Berzerkers in with my Alphas. OT - does IA5 have rules for cultists, or just renegades? If not, can the renegades infiltrate?

[Lay]

So DuskRaider, IA5 says that the AL contact other Legions from the Eye to come and back them up on Vraks?

Actually it says that Arkos' warband has already been in the Eye ever since the end of the Heresy - that's the 'mistake' I was talking about.

However, there might be more to it than I expected at first.

 

does IA5 have rules for cultists, or just renegades? If not, can the renegades infiltrate?

The list is primarily a guards list with some quirks.

Apart from the 0-1 squad of Alpha Legion Chosen, you can take the "Disciples of Xaphan"(kinda like Hardened Vets).

Both are Elites and the AL squad limit is lifted if you take Arkos himself as HQ.

 

what about Dawn of War? [...] I've never played the game, but I've seen screen shots with sorcerers and defilers and demons, so I always assumed the Alpha warband in the game hailed from the Eye.

DoW is 40k for the masses - vanilla looking armies that fit most color schemes. But it's the spirit that counts:

In the original campaign they orchestrate a Waaagh in order to cover their presence and the sorcerer plays mind games with one of the main characters.

Not too shabby.