Verlaine Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 New member here. I'm relatively new to 40k as well; as I've only been at it for a few months now. I've read up on some of the game's fluff and found that I hate Space Marines, but love Dark Angels because of the stain in their heritage. I'm wondering whether it'd be kosher to use a Dark Angels Veteran Squad as a Chosen CSM squad or not. I bought the squad and have them all done in the pre-heresy black of the Dark Angels, but I've heard that it would probably be a no-no (of course after I buy and paint them). Here are the three decent pictures I have of some of them. http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/marqueemoon982/FallenAngel4.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/marqueemoon982/FallenAngel2.jpg http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/marqueemoon982/FallenAngel3.jpg And thanks in advance for any help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Imho you'd be fine to use them, while they don't appear to be very Chaos'y in appearance, corruption can be mental as well as physical. Apart from the shield on the 2nd model, everything is perfectly legit for Chaos and WYSIWYG purposes. I'm curious, what are the reasons for it being a no-no? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1607494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verlaine Posted June 23, 2008 Author Share Posted June 23, 2008 It mainly stemmed from a conversation about conversions and how there's only so much you can do with an army until it goes beyond the rules. Again, I'm pretty new and don't know how things like this would be seen in the eyes of an opponent or whatnot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1607498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 As long as the models carry the weapons and upgrades that you give them from the Chaos Codex you're good. If I wanted to I could paint up my NL Chosen in pink, with flowing robes, bunny ears and clown shoes and they would still be Chaos Space Marine Chosen under the rules (and certainly scary, but in a totally different and unwelcome way). If your opponent is mature then at worst you will get asked what 'those guys in the robes' count as. However, if you want to go the last mile, add some Chaos symbols here and there, just a few. My 2 Kraks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1607596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
teh_perfesser Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Those are fine (and superb looking as well). There are no models specifically for Chosen, so to be perfectly honest, you are using the correct models for your chaos army. Like Nihm said, the second marine with the shield is not technically legal probably... it's the other side of WYSIWYG you need to model wargear choices, but do you need to make wargear choices to match your model? Might want to replace that arm :mellow: (P.S.: Page 76 of the previous Chaos codex for an example of Loyalist Marines, anbd Loyalist paint schemes, used in a completely legal Chaos army). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1608113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 As has been said, all that really matter game legal wise, is WYSIWYG on the model. Doesn't matter what the model is/was so long as it represents what it is in your army list. I have seen chaos armies use the DA vets as chosen on more then one occasion, and they look awesome. One NM army had them all in pink robes. I have a Fallen Angles themed army, but using the Chaos codex for it. But all my models are actually space marine models, because well, these are preheresy dark angels and so I'm using those models. I have a unit of DA vets for some chosen in it. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1609958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaptain Von Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 I've every intention of doing exactly that - my two Chosen units will be Fallen Dark Angels and the Blackest of Templars, both attached to a character (Cypher and my ex-Emperor's-Champion Chaos Lord). I'd say it's well kosher. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1610014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spreader Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 I'm glad you brought this up. I did EXACTLY 100% the same thing. I loved thenew models for the Vet Dark Angels, combined with their fluff and Cypher I couldn't help myself. I went so far as to model a full tact. squad (combined with older metal vet angels) and an oop rhino! Someday I'll even post pictures, thought they look VERY similiar to yours :sweat: I actually kept mine non-chaosy so that my friend could use them as legal loyalist pre-heresay marines wiht his Dark Angel army! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1610024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Bleedin fallen scum... But mate, those are really cool dude. My brothers has them as veterans and Cypher as a Chaos lord (we dont know the proper rules yet). Use them if you dare... I'll hunt you down and make you repent.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1610044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Bleedin fallen scum... But mate, those are really cool dude. My brothers has them as veterans and Cypher as a Chaos lord (we dont know the proper rules yet). Use them if you dare... I'll hunt you down and make you repent.... I have a nice Cypher all painted up and my army list from 3rd codex was using his actual rules. (got a WD from Ebay that has them) But some things changed in the 4th codex and it was just not good points spending for him to stay as Cypher. He has no invuln save, which is lame. So now I use him as a lord model. Looks great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1610079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verlaine Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 That's something that I'm glad has come up. I found the last Cypher model at my local gaming store and decided to buy him. I guess his rules have been tossed by GW, but once again love his fluff. How do you play him on the table? Do you play him as a Lord with a combi-weapon or just as the Aspiring Champion for the Chosen squad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1610371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
feuer_faust Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 There are some people who are very much against conversion and the like, or who are against "stand in" armies (using Black Templars rules for, say, an Iron Warmongers chapter), or fluff deviations ("no way would Abaddon do X"). This is a part of the hobby, but fortunately not a big part. While some will say "no spikes = no chaos", most are willing to simply play anyways, rather than argue the precise components that make up your list. And these are some fine pieces. While not totally accurate, you could probbaly explain that shield to your opponent as decorative (looks cool B) ), as long as there are no shields like that which actually are functioning bits of wargear in your army. Whew. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1611966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 If one however would give the unit an Icon of Chaos one could argue that the shield itself is the Icon :) TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1612164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verlaine Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 While some will say "no spikes = no chaos", most are willing to simply play anyways, I remember reading something about Cypher not having any visible mutations for some odd reason. Just figured that the crew of veterans that are following him into combat might be the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139215-fallen-angels-in-a-csm-army/#findComment-1612209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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