Bad News Pat Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I've been playing 40k for a little while I'm currently playing codex marines. To make a long story short, I bought Bolt Throwers 'Realm of Chaos' and the song World Eater made me pick up a copy of the Chaos Space Marine Codex. The Khorne Berzerkers caught my eye. I’m a big fan of close combat. But I was not a very big fan of the paint scheme of the World Eaters. I saw the Night Lords and loved the color scheme. I found fluff and figured that I’d start an army. (I hope this won't kill my lucky rolls with my SM army) But to the meat and potatoes, would the Night Lords take Berzerkers? And if so, how would they be painted? or is it just a would never happen kind of deal? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Well, under the Realms of Chaos fluff, the Night Lords worshipped Khorne. That has since been retconned out, but the precedence is still there. Otherwise, I could easily see some of the more criminal amongst the Night Lords turning to Khorne for some extra strength. Go ahead, really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1616183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varney Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 The 'current' Night Lords ejnoy killing so much that the worship of Khorne would seem natural for at least some warbands that have already renounced the Legion's former stance on religion. While my own guys are complete atheists and you couldn't really call them 'Chaos' Marines per se, I can see it happening in a different group. Of all the Undivided/unaligned Legions, the Night Lords and Iron Warriors would be the most likely to answer the call of the Blood God. The older fluff and some of the more recent stuff agrees with me on that matter ;) If it were up to me, I would paint the 'Zerkers in the Legion's colours, with some red touches here and there - on the helmets, weapons pads or gauntlets, most probably. Mixing parts from the 'Zerker and normal CSM sets would also be a good idea, sice I've done it myself and can tell you that the results are quite nice (although I threw in a Tactical and Assault Squad to the mix for good measure and removed the khornate marks, the cool parts are still cool parts nevertheless). A different take on painting would be making the trademark NL lightning on their armour red instead of light blue. Some nice symbolism regarding surges of rage and adrenaline there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1616323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad News Pat Posted July 2, 2008 Author Share Posted July 2, 2008 Cool, I wasn't sure if I was making a big mistake or not. I like to keep my armies I guess accurate Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1616338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varney Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 By all means, go for it. It's one of the things in the nex codex that would actually make some sense fluff-wise in a 'faithful' NL army. And you can do no wrong, since people with great tastes in music never do! :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1616345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad News Pat Posted July 2, 2008 Author Share Posted July 2, 2008 Thanks, but some of the people at my hobby shop would disagree with you on the music! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1616355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Well, if they question you, just point them to the Realms of Chaos books, back when our Legion icon was a bat! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1616363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dammeron Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 The Night Lords generally serve no one, fighting only for their own selfish ends. However, the fluff explicitly states that they make use of the followers of the Dark Gods from time to time whenever it suits their purposes, besides which there's more than enough "elbow room" in the background to allow for a contingent of Night Lords that have come under the sway of the Lord of War. Sounds perfectly viable to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1616377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Stalker Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 go for it, as it had been said multiple times - there is precedence :> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1616531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senseilord Ashahara Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 My boys fell to Slaanesh. Starting fights with 'puritan' Night Lords commanders is fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1616545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cohort Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Go for it. The Nightlords look down upon the other followers of the gods, but I'm sure a few of 'em have fallen to the worship of khorne along the way. For color scheme ideas look up the old Night Lords from the nineties. They were dark blue with red shoulder pads. One pad had the bat symbol and the other the Khorne symbol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1616577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaptain Von Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Precedent exists up to second edition 40K - the first Chaos Codex's flavour text featured a Night Lords force raiding the planet on which the Hand of Darkness was hidden, accompanied by Noise Marines and Khorne Berzerkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1616603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosKen60 Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 The Night Lords generally serve no one, fighting only for their own selfish ends. However, the fluff explicitly states that they make use of the followers of the Dark Gods from time to time whenever it suits their purposes, besides which there's more than enough "elbow room" in the background to allow for a contingent of Night Lords that have come under the sway of the Lord of War. Sounds perfectly viable to me. Yes go for it after all this is one of your main advantages, to bring ANY of the marks, and besides from what I remember of the Night Lords they would use ANYthing, any tactic to win, and cut down the imperial skum. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1617469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad News Pat Posted July 4, 2008 Author Share Posted July 4, 2008 I tested a list that I made for my idea yesterday. 3 squads of 8 berzerkers in rhino and a squad of 7 with Khârn also in a rhino. Each squad has a skull champ with a power fist. and then 3 squads of 5 raptors with 2 melta guns and a champion with a powerfist. I played against Necrons and took down 2 out of the 3 moniliths and a good chunk of warriors. he was close to phasing out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1618161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
khairney Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 night lord bazoikas sound perfectly fluffy! i personally think that any undivided army is going to have a fair number of troops falling for the charms of a god! (hence my iron warrior zerkers) but, i dont know about taking Khârn. that crazy assed chimp is all world eaters! i cant imagine any other legion would want him fighting even remotely close to them. i suppose you could use the same stats and model, just give him a spanking new name... just out of curiosity, are you using the khornate crested helms, or the wee flappy winged NL helms? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1618870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad News Pat Posted July 5, 2008 Author Share Posted July 5, 2008 night lord bazoikas sound perfectly fluffy! i personally think that any undivided army is going to have a fair number of troops falling for the charms of a god! (hence my iron warrior zerkers) but, i dont know about taking Khârn. that crazy assed chimp is all world eaters! i cant imagine any other legion would want him fighting even remotely close to them. i suppose you could use the same stats and model, just give him a spanking new name... just out of curiosity, are you using the khornate crested helms, or the wee flappy winged NL helms? I havn't fully assembled the army yet but I plan on using the Khornate helms for the zerkers and the winged helms for my raptors, which im just going to modify regular Space Marine assualt squads I like to take Khârn because fluff-wise people seem to be really scared of him even his own men, so I figured he would work ok with the Night Lords because they like to scare and terrorize Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1618882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
khairney Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 i can see what you mean, but im just not convinced that the world eaters would do rent-a-Khârn service... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1618896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad News Pat Posted July 5, 2008 Author Share Posted July 5, 2008 i can see what you mean, but im just not convinced that the world eaters would do rent-a-Khârn service... I thought that the World Eaters where now just wandering bands of marines and just fought. But I do see what you mean, I've just never been really creative when it came to names. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1618902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
khairney Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 world eaters are all in wee piddly war bands, but id imagine kharns band being very big and very scary.if you want to take Khârn, id simply put a small contingent of worl eaters in your army, representing a portion of khanrs band, just a squad would do. it makes alot more sense to me to do that, than have Khârn on his todd without some of his chums. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1618908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad News Pat Posted July 5, 2008 Author Share Posted July 5, 2008 world eaters are all in wee piddly war bands, but id imagine kharns band being very big and very scary.if you want to take Khârn, id simply put a small contingent of worl eaters in your army, representing a portion of khanrs band, just a squad would do. it makes alot more sense to me to do that, than have Khârn on his todd without some of his chums. I guess I really just intended to do something like whats on page 70 of the Codes: CSM. World Eater Berzerkers lead by Khârn and then Night Lords for anything else. I'm running 32 Berzerkers total, including Khârn (4 squads of 8) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1618918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
khairney Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 sounds like a good number of berzerkers! i thought you meant having Khârn in a squad of NL, but, like i said, if hes with some world eaters, then its fluffily sound! what are you intending to do for heavy support, if i may ask? neither world eaters or night lord are renowned for big sparkly guns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1618921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad News Pat Posted July 5, 2008 Author Share Posted July 5, 2008 I really like close combat and smaking people in the face (or i guess my mini's smaking thier mini's), thats why I left IG. I'm not a terriblly big fan of Heavy Support. Originally my list had 2 Havoc squads, but after some tactic talks with some players at the shop I realized that I would likly be out-shot and out-assualted like that, and a couple of play test proved that. I run my current list with 32 Berzerkers and 15 NL Raptors, for a total of 7 power fists and 6 Melta guns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1618927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
khairney Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 sounds like a very potential smack could be delivered! may i suggest i defiler though? im not sure that night lords would field many... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1618932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad News Pat Posted July 5, 2008 Author Share Posted July 5, 2008 Thats not a bad idea. I think I will probably do that in a 1750 or 2000 point game, when I get the points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1619300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
khairney Posted July 6, 2008 Share Posted July 6, 2008 youl have to put giant springs on its legs so it can jump out of shadows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/139903-night-lords-and-khorne/#findComment-1620385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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