Aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhh!

[davethebear]

For the past 4 months i've been trying to decide on which chaos marines to collect.I've come up with heaps of colour schemes, pretty much all that's left over.

I've tried:colour scheme variations,reversed schemes,etc,etc.

I've come up with heaps of fluff too.

So i'm going back to basics.But I need help.

I can't decide on anything.So here we go.

Legion or Warband?If legion only:black legion,night lords,word bearers or iron warriors.If warband descenant group or origional renegades?(i'm starting to lament that word).

Details:

black legion=cool,but hard to come up with fluff,just gold trim or gold and silver?

night lords=awesome colour scheme(i don't even like blue!)BUT I'd only want one squad of raptors in my army and i'm not nig on bikes either.

word bearers=1st chaos in general I learnt of,always liked 'em buuuttt.....red,i'm getting sick of it,silver trim or that brownish one?

iron warriors=alwas liked them but a bit bland and I can only see them (in my mind) worshipping undivided or khorne.

I have to like the colour scheme and it has to look good on any units but mainly:marines,raptor(made from assualt toops),rhino chassis tanks,termies,termie lords.

units must fit fluff and stuff.

ps-will probably be a mixed army with plagueys,slaanys,and maybe zerkos.

please help,you can also submit unused colour schemes,fluff,etc.

thanx.

[Mordus]

Ouch, I know. I felt the same. :)

Still, any of those are good choices, but if, like me, you are a modeller/painter than IW is the way to go. Imagine steam-belching monstrous blends of man and machine, daemon-flesh and metal....

Plus with the new Soul Grinder out, youll have a great basis for a DP, or at least an interesting defiler.

Trust me, If had the money, Id go IW :P

[Maladon]

buy like a combat squad and exsprement on paint schemes.... maybe Steel Cobras or one of the other renegades from the book. I liked the Warriors of Mayhem color scheme.

[Brother Nihm]

Legion or Warband?If legion only:black legion,night lords,word bearers or iron warriors.If warband descenant group or origional renegades?(i'm starting to lament that word).

Warband for customizability, Legion for the cool factor (people can easily recognize it).

 

Details:

black legion=cool,but hard to come up with fluff,just gold trim or gold and silver?

With all the Legionnaires under Abaddon it shouldn't be hard to come up with fluff for a BL faction/warband/company (even a divergent one). Why not try a brass trim, or even a grey/silver mix?

 

night lords=awesome colour scheme(i don't even like blue!)BUT I'd only want one squad of raptors in my army and i'm not nig on bikes either.

There's much more to the Night Lords than Raptors and Bikers, the whole focus on FA choices are a fairly recent addition (3rd. ed. Codex) to the fluff.

 

word bearers=1st chaos in general I learnt of,always liked 'em buuuttt.....red,i'm getting sick of it,silver trim or that brownish one?

I've always preferred a dark silver/metal trim on the WB's.

 

iron warriors=alwas liked them but a bit bland and I can only see them (in my mind) worshipping undivided or khorne.

Or Slaanesh as they did in the old days.

 

I have to like the colour scheme and it has to look good on any units but mainly:marines,raptor(made from assualt toops),rhino chassis tanks,termies,termie lords.

units must fit fluff and stuff.

ps-will probably be a mixed army with plagueys,slaanys,and maybe zerkos.

If you're looking at a mixed army, the BL is your best bet, or a DIY Undivided chapter.

 

Have you looked at the schemes in the Chaos Lord's Handbook, the stickied post in this forum?

 

 

My 2 Kraks.

[Varney]

Brother Nihm is right - the Night Lords 'turned into' a Raven Guard/White Scars hybrid around the 3,5 codex, seemingly to contrast the tank-heavy Iron Warriors. The only unfluffy units I can imagine in a 'true' NL force would be the cult troopers, but then again it's not like the whole Legion has a certain fixed view on stuff like that. These days are long gone and now it's perfectly fine to have an atheist NL army / an Undivided NL army with Possessed, DP's and whatnot (think Kreig Acerbus) / a cult-oriented NL army with Khornate, Slaaneshi, Tzeentchian or even Nurglesque leanings. Likewise, nobody's forcing you to field 30 Raptors. You could just as well build a Land Raider/Terminator-oriented force with no jump packs or bikes whatsoever. Remember that the Legion was always about using overwhelming force in their assaults- not necessarily a rapid, swift army, since in my opinion a load of heavy armor and big guns would 'get the job done' faster than a horde of bikers. I'm not buying the whole 'thousand surgical strikes over a one decisive battle' approach either. It's more of an Alpha Legion thing.

 

We're in it for the terror. That doesn't mean we don't instill it with the blazing of massive guns and a wall of Terminator armour-clad psychopaths, slowly moving forward and eradicating everything in their way.

[davethebear]

i already have a squad(bloody heavy bolter won't fit),but i haven't got the codex yet and it will be a few months,can some post some pics of the renegades that aren't feaatured on the GW website?

[Brother Nihm]

i already have a squad(bloody heavy bolter won't fit),but i haven't got the codex yet and it will be a few months,can some post some pics of the renegades that aren't feaatured on the GW website?

Ahem,

Have you looked at the schemes in the Chaos Lord's Handbook, the stickied post in this forum?

[TheDarkApostle]

word bearers=1st chaos in general I learnt of,always liked 'em buuuttt.....red,i'm getting sick of it,silver trim or that brownish one?

Well, most other questions have been answered already, but I'll have to give an answer to this one.

 

That brownish googoo that GW used for the new Word Bearer models on the site makse my heart cringle with sadness. Since NOWHERE ever has that Word Bearers been said to have brown trims. Of course I believe it was a mockup and half-hearted try to archieve a golden NNM look but they failed misarably. Especially when they applied it to a Terminator while there only mentioning of gold trims ealier is that it's present on their Dark Apostles as a mark of rank and status. All other accounts of them have always had them as having a "silver trim", or in some cases a dark metallic one.

 

TDA

[davethebear]

well i'm painting my current squad as night lords and will probably have a warband based around them with a splinter group aswell,but it'l be mixed for sure.

thanx guys!

[Roultox]

On an added note, if you do a mixed warband of multiple legions in them. You could convert to your hearts content and customize each unit with their own theme.

 

Small tiff on night lords, you can paint the lightening on them differently as their own squad identification markings. Ice blue, skull white, grey, yellow, etc.

[davethebear]

oh thanx for that roultox,i will probably only do a few night lords units(squad,raptors,termies or chosen) because for me they're a bit painstaking to paint because i don't have any spray yet,and don't have enchanted blue and the lightnig too.Also lets face it i've never been terribly good at painting gold,before i took a break from the hobby for a while i used to just go: dwarf bronze and then maybe shining gold,now i go dwarf bronze=bestial brown wash=shining gold and then 50/50 shining gold/chainmail if i feel like it (usually on characters).

[Brother Nihm]

You can do lightning really fast (and easy), just follow the white rabbit: link :lol:

[davethebear]

shot brother Nihm

[aioannou]

world eaters, if you are sick of red....

 

one of the guys in our local GW store made the point that bezerker armour is natrually white with gold trim, but due to amount of hacking,chopping,pillaging,plundering,sawing,stabbing,fighting,eye gouging and eating messy ketchup sandwhices there armour becomes soaked in blood, hence the red.

 

so he paints his bezerkers skull white with gold trim.

 

that any better?

 

you could even add red gore to the boots,legs and weapons to show contrast, or flick them with red ink for that, just walked out of the abattoir or just got in a little ruckus with a pansy ultramarine look

[davethebear]

yeah i' not sure on bezerkers,but suppose for what they do they are a better choice the possesed,i'll model them with normal marine CC arms because the current ones are disproportionate,dunno what chapter to do them,not world eaters because i don't want too many legions in my army because it would probably kill the fluff of the competing warlords (a black legion one and a night lords 0ne).

[davethebear]

does anyone have tutorial on how to paint the night lords symbol?,i'm not a fan of the transfer for them on the CSM transfer sheet,it's a bit too batman(in a bad way!).

[Brother Nihm]

You should consider getting the metal shoulderpads instead, much easier to paint.

 

 

You can see them: here

If you don't like the helmets you can clip off the bat ears but, be advised that they are a bit smaller than the standard SM helmets.

You can see examples: here and here

[davethebear]

yeah but in my country the night lords conversion kit is $40+, and i don't even want the helmets.

[Brother Nihm]

I suggest you grab a pencil and start to draw tiny skulls with wings then, it helped me a lot when I wanted to learn how to paint the NL symbol freehand.

There's some examples of how it turned out in my gallery.

 

There's also examples of how to paint various loyalist chapter symbols in the Librarium, the base techniques are the same, you paint it up in parts.

 

Good luck. :D

[refuse]

iron warriors=alwas liked them but a bit bland and I can only see them (in my mind) worshipping undivided or khorne.

Or Slaanesh as they did in the old days.

Thus I love Brother Nihm. ;)

[davethebear]

thankks i'll try that Nihm.

[andygorn]

Instead of painting one army a singular colour, how about doing an army which has different units, but which has them in their pre-Heresy colour schemes?

For example, (if I remember correctly):

In the "Battle For The Aybss" Heresy novel, the Word Bearers Legion only started using red and silver (and stapling bits of scrolls to themselves) after they turned during the Heresy as a mark of their devotion to Horus and Chaos.

Similarly, the Emperor's Children wore purple and gold instead of pastels, etc. and World Eaters were originally white and blue.

The Thousand Sons were a sort red and gold and (I could be wrong) I think the Sons of Horus were originally a sort of 'slate' colour. Not sure about Death Guard though; no doubt someone else will know more about these colour schemes than I do.

 

Just a bit of background to go with this:

Just as plenty of heretics got lost in the warp for 10,000 years and still think that Horus is alive, there's also the option that maybe some of the original Traitors would have gotten lost in the warp shortly after siding with Horus:

A group of commanders (and their various attendant bodyguards) from different Legions met up to decide to turn traitor.

Having made the decision to follow Horus, the ship they're all meeting on / fleet / etc. gets lost in the Warp, so they never make it to the Emperor's Palace, nor have any long-running battles/sieges etc with the Loyalists.

Eventually they end up in the Eye of Teror (just like most other space hulks and drifting ships eventually do).

 

Cut off from the main Legions and Primarchs, they never went through the rituals of changing their armour colours, and they kept their old armour out of respect for it's longevity, the fact that it kept them alive for so long (after all, even Chaos-Fiends revere their wargear), and also for the fact that it's a reminder to their hated Loyalist Marine foes that "even the most virtuous can turn" / "you thought we were dead..." stuff / etc, etc.

 

Anyway, just a thought.

[davethebear]

thanx for that idea,you pretty much told me how to do my bezerkers,i was struggeling with how to model/paint them and you've answered that for me.thanks alot!

[davethebear]

whats your guys opinion on Brotherhood of Darkness?,i saw a great version of them white dwarf and think i might make some.

I've already themed my legion around Night Lords & Black Legion so they'd probably fit.But they might prevent me from having pre-heresy coloured WE bezerkers,hmmm.....

[Yukka]

when all is lost, when it all seems too much, reach for mechrite red and chaos black.. corsairs ftw!