eyescrossed Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 I'm starting a daemon army, and I don't know which greater daemon to get. I was sort of going for a Lord of change, as I think they're awesome, but which one is easiest to put together, and which one do you think would go best against Eldar or Marines; fluff wise and battlefield effectiveness? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 i think the Keeper of Secrets is the all round best. its got the strength to wound Spacemarines on 2+, more attacks than a Bloodthirster, the WS to hit everything in an Eldar/Space marine army on 3+ (except the Avatar) and will always strike first! whats more, Fleet is really handy and means a KoS can get into combat quickly. oh and did i mention that it is by far cheaper than a Bloodthirster and the only thing it cant do that one of those things can is instant kill a marine character; although the KoS doesnt have a 3+ save and wings this isnt really a problem as T6 means you really are unlikely to suffer many wounds in CC, especially as you will kill so many models each turn and fleet makes up for the lack of wings nicely. add to this the power where you take an attack off a single model in CC (cant remember its name right now) and enemy Power fists will likely only have a single attack against you! (remember that the extra attack for 2 weapons doesnt count with PFs anymore) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1627450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor1313 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Check out the Daemonzilla/HQ thread for some more insight on the relative merits of the HQs and the concept of running a crap-ton of them together, along with some decent discussion. Daemonzilla: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=137998 HQ thread: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=138026 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1627798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tfcdogbert Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Fluffily for eldar its a keeper of secrets definitely, theres no real fluff preference for marines as a while, it depends on the chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1627848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 While tzeentch isn't my favorite chaos god, the Lord of change is probably my favorite Greater Demon. It's a nasty ranged weapon platform that performs decent in CC, plus with wings and a 3i+ save he's pretty hard to nuke out with anti tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1628092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted July 18, 2008 Author Share Posted July 18, 2008 Also, which one is easier to put together, a Lord of Change or Keeper of Secrets? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1633389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Kanithon Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 I'd say the keeper of secrets as the Lord of change is balanced on just one leg. Needs a lot of pinning too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1634952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cale Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 The Lord of Change may be tricky to balance, but he certainly doesn't need pinning. I assembled one for my wife a while back--just glue--and it's gone through quite a bit without breaking. It's a big, heavy model comprised almost entirely of levers, so you have to be careful with it (whether you pin it or not) but it'll stand up to the rigors of gaming just fine with just glue. Also, it looks way cooler than the KoS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1646158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howloutloud Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 All I know is that I've built one Keeper and I will never buy another one again! Biggest pain in my.... As for the Big Bird, unfortunately I've never had a chance to put one together. I have put together at least 3 BloodThirsters and can confidently say that I would not cry if I had to do it again.... But the KoS.... I'd rather swim in a lake of what the Great unclean one uses to wash his teeth than build that pile of crap again.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1646431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted July 31, 2008 Author Share Posted July 31, 2008 Gah... I love the rules for the KoS but I absolutely despise the model... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1647919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I'd go with the bloodthirster, just cos its so cool, otherwise i'd go for the great unclean one, cheap and capable of soaking up so much firepower (which the enemy will throw at it) that the rest of your army advances virtually unmolested. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1650988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted August 3, 2008 Author Share Posted August 3, 2008 AGH!!! All these replies! I'm swaying from BS to KoS to LoC to GUO continuously! Gah... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1651137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosmarine234 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Go for the BloodThirster, Blood For the Blood God!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1651367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Since I'm going pure Khorne it's a no brainer to go with the BT, but if you're doing a mix, the GUO is really nice, overall though I've had lots of success with the BT and with that 3+ armor save it REALLY comes in handy. The GUO like said is extremely cheap for how much he can soak up, and if you field a LOT of daemonettes and want them to stay alive I'd suggest using the GUO because he will soak up everything and anything. PS: A good friend plays DH's so he always hates my BT getting his 3+'s against dumb psycannons ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1651665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corton Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 I am rather partial to the Great Unclean One. Wounds EVERYTHING on a 2+, with no saves, Vomits every turn. That n its just fun to see a really fat guy beating on everything with impunity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1651718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Fox Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 @ Corton - Vomits? EH? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1677311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 He's refering to that special character Great Unclean One I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1677339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 No, Breath of Chaos. Sorry to all the Slaaneshi, Khornate and Tzeentchian fans out there: I'm getting a GUO! Not the Games Workshop model, I'm getting a NDP/GUO sculpted for my by Metal Fingered Villain. Too lazy to put in some pics now; I might later, though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1677893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acerbus Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 yes! score one for nurgle! they are quite survivable and tend to act as a magnet for firepower. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1701236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 i'd say keeper of secrets is good for an all around battle because they are generally good at fighting everything but i like the bloodthirster the most because they hit HARD! but since you're gonna fight eldar go for all things Slaanesh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1702670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 So I played an Apocalypse game the other day, and my KOS decided to possess an enemy HQ. So, during my assault phase it had two choices: assault land raider A or land raider B. I quickly found one limitation of a KOS after that, because all it managed to do was kick the land raider and die. Half of my attacks missed because it moved, and then I got only one glance. I suppose the dice were against me on that turn but still. Needing a 7 or 8 to achieve anything makes it not very likely, strangely. But then the purpose of a KOS isn't to rip up tanks but the juicy little men inside or outside. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1703296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexiest_hero Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Heh It's Apoc, a whole army can be decimated in a turn of shooting, dont feel bad. I say go for the lordofchange for some shooty goodness, the rest of the daemon armylist is already for of troop killers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1703933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrike22 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Can you put some pics of the NDP on plz. I'm hoping for a really ugly nrugle thing that will make me ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1766571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trve Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Depends on what you want. Master of Sorcery + We Are Legion makes the LoC the ultimate mobile gun platform. The KoS is easily the best all around killer, with the most attacks, fleet, and the ability to get Pavane of Slaanesh. Bloodthirster is like the KoS, but not as choppy (ironically). Hes more durable because he has armor, and with upgrades can instakill marine characters, and that will also make him better against tanks. Hes also more expensive than the KoS. Lastly, there is the GUO. The worst option, but also the cheapest. Slow and Purposeful. Enough said. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1766593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Depends on what you want. Master of Sorcery + We Are Legion makes the LoC the ultimate mobile gun platform. The KoS is easily the best all around killer, with the most attacks, fleet, and the ability to get Pavane of Slaanesh. Bloodthirster is like the KoS, but not as choppy (ironically). Hes more durable because he has armor, and with upgrades can instakill marine characters, and that will also make him better against tanks. Hes also more expensive than the KoS. Well the Bloodthirster on the charge without the upgrade kills marine characters (don't forget furious charge) but yea I always take the upgrade because one game I faced a monolith and by god was I happy to have that S9 ;) I think the concensus with both 40k and fantasy is that the LoC is a beast and no sort of pushover whatsoever, and that the BT is a killing machine but lacks versatility that the LoC brings to the table. I still think the GUO has a role to play, but most people see him as just a bullet magnet (which is good). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/140819-which-greater-daemon/#findComment-1766922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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