eyescrossed Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 this is sort of a strange topic, but who do you think would win (fluff wise, not rules wise) between Skulltaker and Kharne the Betrayer, and would there be any point of them fighting at all? Probably to see who the best champion of Khorne is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Canoness Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Khârn, totally Khârn. He is way too bad-ass. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1639957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Khârn definately Khârn!!! skulltaker would cry when he sees Khârn running up to him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1640040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howloutloud Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 I had to actually think about this one.... And I say Skull Taker. While both of them are nasty, Skull Taker has one little phrase in his rules that make me think he has the edge... Rending on a 4+ that causes instant death. Whereas no where in Kharnes special rules does it say that he is immune to instant death. So all Skull Taker has to do is rend him once and have him fail his invulnerable save.... Skull Taker should win about 2/3rds of the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1640129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Fluff wise, Khârn is way more awesome than some stupid bloodletter. Skulltaker is a daemon with all sorts of daemon stuff but Khârn is just a mortal and he's still killed sooo much stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1640516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Hockert Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 I'm gonna have to vote for Skulltaker. He's the Sacred Executioner of Khorne and felled 1/4 of the Grey Knight Brother-Captains who fought in the first Battle for Armageddon. Skulltaker is also a master swordsman. Not to mention that if Kharne was so high in Khorne's standing he would have probably been elevated to Daemon Prince status by now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1640654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 I had to actually think about this one.... And I say Skull Taker. While both of them are nasty, Skull Taker has one little phrase in his rules that make me think he has the edge... Rending on a 4+ that causes instant death. Whereas no where in Kharnes special rules does it say that he is immune to instant death. So all Skull Taker has to do is rend him once and have him fail his invulnerable save.... Skull Taker should win about 2/3rds of the time. I'm probably wrong because it might have changed in the new codex (I didn't bother buying it because I got rid of my old CSM's) but in my latest C:CSM (second printing just before the latest one) Khârn has Collar of Khorne (which in this codex is no instant death from force weapons and psychic powers) and Daemonic Rune (No Instant Death) This being said I believe Kharne would win, he'd get more attacks and would hit more (gorechild ftw) plus the skulltaker would need 4's to hit and depending on who charged who (Kharne most likely since he doesn't deep strike in) then it's 4+'s again (which would count as rending (just like gorechild is a power weapon) Also boils down to who assaults who, on the charge, kharne is looking at 8 possible attacks, but if skulltaker goes first then he's also at a higher I along with Strength. Don't forget Kharne has a plasma pistol, which it's almost certain he'll get a shot into skulltaker before either charge. In the end I favor Kharne and even though he's not a Daemon Prince, he's better than one (at least in my codex) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1645703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserker Doug Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Silly people, He most certainly said "no rules, just fluff" But any ways, I'm going for Khârn. The guy freakin died and is still butchering imperial lapdogs like they were children. Sure Skulltaker is essentially rage given shape and form but so is Khârn and some more. And on the whole Khârn isn't a daemon prince issue. well..... neither is Abaddon, but he has defiantly done enough ass-kicking to deserve the ascension into daemonhood. I'm sure Khârn has also certainly killed, maimed and burned enough to also recieve the gift of daemonhood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1646238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Malachi Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 I think skulltaker (both fluff- and rule-wise), I mean, skulltaker deliberately dismembers his opponent, which means if they did fight skully would just hack off kharns arms and be done with it, Khârn doesnt have the finesse to beat skulltaker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1646283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos strong Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Fluff wise, Khârn is way more awesome than some stupid bloodletter. Skulltaker is a daemon with all sorts of daemon stuff but Khârn is just a mortal and he's still killed sooo much stuff. wait wait, you do mean Skulltaker the most powerful Bloodletter? I cant see how you can say that. He has killed champions from EVERYWHERE, I think it would be a great fight. It would last days, and prolly wouldnt really get either anywhere. I think it would pretty much end up in a tie, Both choping off each others heads in a fit of rage. BUT neither of them caring Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1647938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady_Canoness Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 skulltaker doesn't stand a chance. Khârn is stupid-good with gorechild (ever wonder why he is the only thing in the game that hits on 2+, and if he is in a unit, never actually misses?) that guy would work skulltaker sooooo fast! Plus, Khârn has survived 10,000 plus years of war whereas skulltaker is reborn in the warp when he dies. I think we can all safely say that nothing mortal or immortal can kill Khârn in a duel - other than super daemons and the like (which skulltaker is not!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1648054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos strong Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 skulltaker doesn't stand a chance. Khârn is stupid-good with gorechild (ever wonder why he is the only thing in the game that hits on 2+, and if he is in a unit, never actually misses?) that guy would work skulltaker sooooo fast! Plus, Khârn has survived 10,000 plus years of war whereas skulltaker is reborn in the warp when he dies. I think we can all safely say that nothing mortal or immortal can kill Khârn in a duel - other than super daemons and the like (which skulltaker is not!) Lucius would get him as well Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1648100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted July 31, 2008 Author Share Posted July 31, 2008 do either of you know if skulltaker has even died yet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1648111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Khârn did die once, after taking a lascannon shot to the chest IIRC during siege of Terra. It was confirmed by medics that both of his hearts had stopped and he was taken away to be burried. Only then he suddenly rose with his hearts once more beating proclaiming that it was time for more killing and not even the icy hands of death would be able to stop him. Or something like that. The fluff mentions that either Khârn simply willed himself back to life because he wanted to kill more, or Khorne actually ressurected him, not wanting to lose one of his greatest Champions of all time. TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1648475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos strong Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 If you go by Straight game terms, I think Skulltaker kills him, since 1 hit 1 kill 50% of the time... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1648557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blamb Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 do either of you know if skulltaker has even died yet? If I recall he lost to Sigmar (and subsequently sent back to the warp) . I hear thats the only fight he has ever lost. But the death of a daemon isn't the same as the death of something from our universe. They are (most of the time) just banished back to the warp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1649126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted August 1, 2008 Author Share Posted August 1, 2008 I meant in 40k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1649337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moribund the Burgermeister Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 I meant in 40k It's the same Skulltaker anyway! :teehee: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1651914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 I think skulltaker (both fluff- and rule-wise), I mean, skulltaker deliberately dismembers his opponent, which means if they did fight skully would just hack off kharns arms and be done with it, Khârn doesnt have the finesse to beat skulltaker. This reminds me off Monty Python and the holy grail... I can see Khârn kicking Skultaker after his arms get chopped of :) :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1652492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 I meant in 40k It's the same Skulltaker anyway! :P I know, but it sort of doesn't count... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1653155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blamb Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I meant in 40k It's the same Skulltaker anyway! :D I know, but it sort of doesn't count... How come? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1653341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 Okay, it does count; but saying that it means Kharne is easily better than Skulltaker is cheap, because Sigmar was the equivalent of a god, so it's like saying a grot is better than a genestealer if the stealer gets beaten into the ground by a bloodthirster Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1653387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 So now Khârn the Betrayer is the equivalent of a grot? :P Khârn would hit at Skulltaker so many times that he wouldn't be able to counterattack. Skulltaker, if he catches the break, will try to aim for the head most of the time. Khârn, knowing this and being better with his axe than Skulltaker with his sword (that should be an axe ;) ), would defend himself just fine and then launch a counter. So I would predict an eternal struggle. Khorne would not care for this, however. He wants skulls, and having his two best skull-takers locked in combat forever with each other, he wouldn't get any. So, I'm gonna bet that Khorne wouldn't even let them be in the same Segmentum together, through all his powers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1653713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf89 Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 So now Khârn the Betrayer is the equivalent of a grot? ^_^ Khârn would hit at Skulltaker so many times that he wouldn't be able to counterattack. Skulltaker, if he catches the break, will try to aim for the head most of the time. Khârn, knowing this and being better with his axe than Skulltaker with his sword (that should be an axe ^_^ ), would defend himself just fine and then launch a counter. So I would predict an eternal struggle. Khorne would not care for this, however. He wants skulls, and having his two best skull-takers locked in combat forever with each other, he wouldn't get any. So, I'm gonna bet that Khorne wouldn't even let them be in the same Segmentum together, through all his powers. Well put, I couldn't have said it better myself. The sword was a lot better in 2nd when you could parry and such, but like you said, it'd be better to have an axe, and none is better than gorechild. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1653755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted August 6, 2008 Author Share Posted August 6, 2008 Okay, I've gotten to the conclusion that they would both decapitate each other at the exact same time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/141310-skulltaker-or-kharne/#findComment-1655378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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